i never again will buy an american car my 1st car was a 2k2 chevy cavalier Ls ya know the 2 door one w/the rims.. not too harsh on the eyes but man whatta POS compared to my speed..im so glad i got rid of that car i had bad luck with it ! (electrical problems, accidents ect)
why are american cars generally so bad? (esp gm)
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please dont make ur basis on american cars off a cavy, thats like me making a basis on Japanese cars off a suzukimazdaspeedchick said:
garretts77
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I have a 1954 (50 y.o.) GMC pick up with the original engine. Granted the I put a couple of transmissions in it and a new rear end, but that was only beacuse it was my first vehicle and I used to do burnouts daily. Who knows how many hundred thousand miles are on it. I know that I put at least one while it was my daily driver... That thing is bullet proof. Literaly. It weighs just under 4800 lbs! However my biggest complaint with US manufacturers is not the reliability but the crappy interior (and until recently, the god awful body cladding that pontiac insisted on putting on every vehicle). Good news for me is the '54 comes with power nothing, and the dash is made out of steel, just like everything else in it.
Hey Friend, even our beloved Mazda build 4spd Auto RX-8 too. If you buy an automatic sport car, it already means you have no expectation on car at first place, so who cares????Stealth5 said:
Other than that, yeah, GM is piece of crap. You can find plastic peeling off from the door handle on a brand new Cavalier. And the timeless radio design is just (confused)
MERCEDES BENZ 7 SPEED AUTOMATIC
http://www.wheels.ca/News.htm?CD=654&ID=1627
BOOYA
The worlds first seven-speed automatic transmission for passenger cars will be a standard feature of the E 500, S 430, S 500, CL 500 and SL 500 models beginning this Fall
all the 5.0 and 4.3 liter v8s. i jumped the gun on saying all the v8 or bigger models, theyre working on that
dont call bs if you dont know
http://www.wheels.ca/News.htm?CD=654&ID=1627
BOOYA
The worlds first seven-speed automatic transmission for passenger cars will be a standard feature of the E 500, S 430, S 500, CL 500 and SL 500 models beginning this Fall
all the 5.0 and 4.3 liter v8s. i jumped the gun on saying all the v8 or bigger models, theyre working on that
dont call bs if you dont know
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AlbinoMuntjac
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All I see here are people picking on the same low-end models and trying to base their entire belief of American automobiles on them. The same can be done for any car maker really. And in case no one has noticed, the overall quality and fit-and-finish of import cars, most notably the Japanese imports, has drastically gone down in the past ten years. Toyota in particular has had a serious decline from the pedestal they had built themselves onto.
My P5 was the first non-American family in my family. My dad owned muscle cars growing up and was the first to tell me just how well he thought the car was put together and designed. At the same time, he bought an 03 Hemi Ram (it comes with a 5 speed auto for those of you complaining about that) last fall and there has been absolutely no problems with it. My mom has had Taurus' for a while and while they certainly aren't an enthusiast car, they do what they are inteded to do well. They are comfortable, reliable (there are going to be problems when you built that many cars, it's bound to happen), and not a bad ride. Hell, what about the F-150. Can't be that many turds on the road. By and large, American cars have been lagging behind foreign makes with quality, but the gap is quickly closing as the American makes elevate themselves to where the foreign makes are they are slowly falling down to the Americans.
As far as the Mustang coming with a solid rear, yeah, it kinda is old tech. But it works. It can handle more power than a independent and is generally faster in a straight line.
My P5 was the first non-American family in my family. My dad owned muscle cars growing up and was the first to tell me just how well he thought the car was put together and designed. At the same time, he bought an 03 Hemi Ram (it comes with a 5 speed auto for those of you complaining about that) last fall and there has been absolutely no problems with it. My mom has had Taurus' for a while and while they certainly aren't an enthusiast car, they do what they are inteded to do well. They are comfortable, reliable (there are going to be problems when you built that many cars, it's bound to happen), and not a bad ride. Hell, what about the F-150. Can't be that many turds on the road. By and large, American cars have been lagging behind foreign makes with quality, but the gap is quickly closing as the American makes elevate themselves to where the foreign makes are they are slowly falling down to the Americans.
As far as the Mustang coming with a solid rear, yeah, it kinda is old tech. But it works. It can handle more power than a independent and is generally faster in a straight line.
siberiankiss
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i will agree that the majority of the cars gm has put out lately are crap...i hate the malibu, cavilier, etc. the gto, although a great performer is hideous...
but, not all american cars are crap. my formula has near 100,000 miles on it, and it runs great. i had an overheating problem, but once that was fixed everything else has run smoothly. i think the interior in that car is just about as nice as the one in my MSP.
the corvette is also an awesome car. maybe not the BEST interior in the world, but where else are you gonna find that kind of power in a car for that kind of money. sorry, but i'd take performance over a pretty dash any day.
the mustang is a horribly styled car. i've never liked the recent ones at all. but i wouldn't go around judging ford by the V6 version of the mustang. of course it feels slow, it's a small ass engine in a big ass car!
i would definitely choose a domestic truck over an import truck too. my mom has an 03 silverado and i really like the interior in it. the seats are comfy...i dont have any problem with it personally.
btw...the worst car my parents have ever claimed to own was a toyota camry...one problem after another. total POS.
but, not all american cars are crap. my formula has near 100,000 miles on it, and it runs great. i had an overheating problem, but once that was fixed everything else has run smoothly. i think the interior in that car is just about as nice as the one in my MSP.
the corvette is also an awesome car. maybe not the BEST interior in the world, but where else are you gonna find that kind of power in a car for that kind of money. sorry, but i'd take performance over a pretty dash any day.
the mustang is a horribly styled car. i've never liked the recent ones at all. but i wouldn't go around judging ford by the V6 version of the mustang. of course it feels slow, it's a small ass engine in a big ass car!
i would definitely choose a domestic truck over an import truck too. my mom has an 03 silverado and i really like the interior in it. the seats are comfy...i dont have any problem with it personally.
btw...the worst car my parents have ever claimed to own was a toyota camry...one problem after another. total POS.
well for me the point of the post was not the brand in general. The corvette is an awesome car and I would love to have one, but those cars account for less than 1 percent of gm sales. I like to see a consistency in a brand, protege is lowliest car in the mazda lineup, or rather its the 3 now, yet it still has great fit and finish. In the end I guess you get what you pay for.
AMEN !Notorious said:
Like someone said in here, we get the cavalier/sunfire for like 12000$ here (CDN) and P5s used to start at 20000$ ... what the hell do you guys expect ?
See the price difference between a Z24 and the Mazda3 ... im sure there's a huge difference, although both pretty much have the same power.
Like Notorious said ... you get what you pay for
wow some strong anti american car feeling here lol my family has always owned Japanese cars well 'cept for the hyundai which was decent but spent alot of time in the shop but were all bout nissans, toyta, and subby's ive only been in 2 american cars my aunts balzer POS it raddles, it shakes and its all in all just ugly, and a saturn, which too was a POS the inside was too cheap looking and confusing IE the window switches were in the center area near the arm rest whos smart idea was that?! who'd feel safe in a plastic car?? not ME!
siberiankiss
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well, i was really little. it was an 83 or an 84...only 3 or 4 years old when they decided to get rid of it. it broke down ALL THE TIME...my parents refuse to ever buy another toyota. that bad.melicha8 said:
AlbinoMuntjac
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Maz_Speed13
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i dont like american cars much but my old boss at work had a 80 something ford 150 with 400 and something miles on the original motor, but i would not mind having a chevell or road runner if i was going to drag, but then again im not going to drag so its not a problem
Those numbers are B.S. Ask people what they think of their car and how many problems they have had after one year and you will get totally different numbers (except Toyota will still be #1). Quality goes further than the first 90 days. And they don't specify what a "problem" is.
But.. a 12000 cavi has NOTHING.. does it even have power windows? compare a p5 and cavi with the same equipment and they'll be near the same price. the cavilier is the only GM that is made by dm (no vibes) that is in the price range of the p5. the protege was the cheapest mazda, but they all have the same nice interiors.. i'd take a base model DX protege with a 1.6 over a cavilier any day. And yes I have owned american cars, and my parents have too. I love my "mazda" truck still, but interior did suck. Check the ford or mazda site for interior pictures of the new ranger/b-series though, i actually really like the interior and it doesn't seem low quality to me.Metal MP5 said:
oh and p.s.: WORST CAR eVar!
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I bought a 2000 GMC Sonoma back in 2001 "Certified Used". Yeah, Used POS! Thae ******* seats slid into the dash when I stopped! Went to the dealer 17 times for that, and the fix never lasted more than a week, then they would slide into the dash again. Had to jam a 2 by4 to keep the seats from sliding. www.nhtsa.gov has TONS of complaints about them sliding and s***. No recall though.
In the one and a half years of owning that hunk of American crap, I had the heater core, alternator, water pump, rear end, seat recline handles (twice), and a couple other things replaced under warranty, all by 45000 miles. After 50K miles, they stopped trying to fix the seats, and wanted $400 to fix it, again! I was pissed. Plus, it lost $10,000 in value as well.
So we traded that Generally Made Crappy Sonoma in, and got a pair of Mazdas, a 2002.5 Protege5 and a 2002 B3000. Have been rock solid so far. Never buying GMC again.
In the one and a half years of owning that hunk of American crap, I had the heater core, alternator, water pump, rear end, seat recline handles (twice), and a couple other things replaced under warranty, all by 45000 miles. After 50K miles, they stopped trying to fix the seats, and wanted $400 to fix it, again! I was pissed. Plus, it lost $10,000 in value as well.
So we traded that Generally Made Crappy Sonoma in, and got a pair of Mazdas, a 2002.5 Protege5 and a 2002 B3000. Have been rock solid so far. Never buying GMC again.
