What to buy? MS3 or Civic si

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My wife wants to get rid of her Matrix XRS 03. Far as i know it's a piece of crap car(deadhorse (so far about 3 grand in repairs). I asking all the Mazda folks in this forum if you think the mazdaspeed3 is a great purchase or the civic si? I understand that every car isn't perfect but want fellow members input on this, my ride is a mazda5 with some mods, so any input would be appreciate. zoomzoom(burnout)
 
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i drove a civic si before i decided on the MS3. I didn't like the dash in the Civic or the drive by wire system. also it was very, very slow compared to the Speed 3 ;)
 
there's a lot more you can do with a mazdaspeed3 i believe. the fact that they have such a great aftermarket (that doesn't void warranty) is such a plus.

that and i think the si is ugly :|
 
si is girly looking......plus has no where near the power of speed3! definatley get the mazdaspeed!
 
Either one is a great purchase. All depends on what you are looking for I guess. If you want speed and alot of room go with the ms3, if you want maybe a bit better gas mileage and more of a low profile car go with the civic si.
 
obviously i prefer the speed3, but if i didnt get this, i was probably going to look at the 4 door si next. Both are solid cars, but I think the overall fit and finish of the speed3 is a bit better. Car and Driver and MotorTrend both recently did reviews of the speed3, you may want to check them out
 
I am in the same boat and can not decide. I just sold a Corvette (01) and we already own a 2006 Civic.
I like the Civic a lot! Style, shape, dash, fit and finish, etc. I am waiting for the dealer to get in a Red MS3 before I decide. I will not pay MSRP and he may not sell it to me for less so in effect my decision may be made for me. Of course the Mazda is a nice ride with more power but it also costs more. I can get the 4 door Si out the door for just a hair over 21K. The only way my dealer orders MS3's are with the GT package so they MSRP for almost 25k. The power arguement is almost mute at this point because we can always spend more money to get more power in a stock vehicle. If you want power for a low price buy a GT Mustang.
I hate the exterior shape of the MS3 but if the dealer meets my price I will go that route, if not, across the street I go to order the 08 Si. Both are nice cars. Power goes to the MS3 but I would have to give the fun factor and fuel economy to the Si.
 
Snowwolfe said:
Power goes to the MS3 but I would have to give the fun factor and fuel economy to the Si.

the fun factor?!

i'd rather drive my mazda 3i with manual transmission manual locks and windows then my dads 312hp 300m special!

they don't say zoom-zoom for nothin!
 
Snowwolfe said:
I am in the same boat and can not decide. I just sold a Corvette (01) and we already own a 2006 Civic.
I like the Civic a lot! Style, shape, dash, fit and finish, etc. I am waiting for the dealer to get in a Red MS3 before I decide. I will not pay MSRP and he may not sell it to me for less so in effect my decision may be made for me. Of course the Mazda is a nice ride with more power but it also costs more. I can get the 4 door Si out the door for just a hair over 21K. The only way my dealer orders MS3's are with the GT package so they MSRP for almost 25k. The power arguement is almost mute at this point because we can always spend more money to get more power in a stock vehicle. If you want power for a low price buy a GT Mustang.
I hate the exterior shape of the MS3 but if the dealer meets my price I will go that route, if not, across the street I go to order the 08 Si. Both are nice cars. Power goes to the MS3 but I would have to give the fun factor and fuel economy to the Si.

If you give the fun factor to the SI then you haven't driven an ms3. The mustang Gt (manual) is a hair faster than an ms3. Put just a CAI on the ms3 and it's definately a driver's race. Paying anything over 20k for the SI is a ripoff IMO. I paid msrp ($22, 840) for my ms3 sport which is a bargain for what you get. If your dealer is only getting GTs then go to another. Seems like you have your mind set on the SI and that's ok, but don't make assumptions about the ms3 until you get behind the wheel.
 
Do you like torque or do you enjoy getting smoked by little old ladies in minivans if you get caught in the wrong gear. If you like the former and not the latter then the choice is clear.

The SI is a great little car but after my P5, I'm done with torqueless wonders no matter how high they rev, and the SI is a torqueless wonder.
 
I drove a MS3. More power than the Si? Yes of course. More fun? No way. Different strokes for different folks. Torque steer was a noticeable issue right off the bat.
There are a lot of nice cars for sale in the price range of 20-25K. Getting hung up on one particular model can cause a person to give up to much of there hard earned cash.
As I said before, If I can get the MS3 for 24K OTD I will buy it. I have not and never will pay full MSRP for any car.
One of the reasons I joined this forum, and the Si forum was to learn as much as I could about both cars. Each forum is biased towards there choices and I can understand why.
 
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zoomzoom mazda5 said:
My wife wants to get rid of her Matrix XRS 03. Far as i know it's a piece of crap car(deadhorse (so far about 3 grand in repairs). I asking all the Mazda folks in this forum if you think the mazdaspeed3 is a great purchase or the civic si? I understand that every car isn't perfect but want fellow members input on this, my ride is a mazda5 with some mods, so any input would be appreciate. zoomzoom(burnout)
Who is going to be driving the car primarily? Have you driven either car?

You will probably find the Civic to be more refined and comfortable and the MS3 to be more powerful.

Unfortunately, many of the replies here are from teens that only care about 0-60 times (i.e. the "faster" car is always the better car).
 
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matsuda said:
Who is going to be driving the car primarily? Have you driven either car?

You will probably find the Civic to be more refined and comfortable and the MS3 to be more powerful.

Unfortunately, many of the replies here are from teens that only care about 0-60 times (i.e. the "faster" car is always the better car).

Stereotype and Generalize much? Geez!

The faster car is by no means always the better car. Thats why I own a P5. I could have bought something faster. But for the money, the styling, relative refinement and styling of the P5 won me over.

And as for the "teenagers", you'll find that adults like to go fast too. I'm 23 years old and there are sometimes where the lack of torque of my P5 drives me nuts! I don't need a rocketship, just something that can get out of its own way.

You'll find that the MS3 is rather refined for what it is and is a good handler to boot.

I have nothing against the Si. I like the spirit honda imbued it with, but its lack of torque dissapoints me greatly, I don't care how high it revs. The interior is mostly hit or miss also. It's refined but you either like its aesthetics or you don't while the MS3's interior is immediatly more agreeable.

As far as stlying goes, its a wash. The Si has grown on me but I still don't like certain aspects of it while the MS3 is chunky and butch in a good way. Like a bulldog.

So before you generalize, please take into account that most people on these forums put thought into what they say.
 
Both cars are good, the civic si, has its power and its very reliable. The MS3 is as well and well, needless to say we all know it packs its punch. The questions is as some members already mentioned; Does your wife want to drive a stick? is she into sporty cars (MS3, sporty seats, etc) or does she want something quick and simple?
 
Karma_hunden said:
The questions is as some members already mentioned; Does your wife want to drive a stick? is she into sporty cars (MS3, sporty seats, etc) or does she want something quick and simple?

I would hope his wife wants to drive a stick, because both cars are only available in 6 spd.

Here is my post on this debate from a previous thread...

Let me shine a little light for you, seeing how I came from an 06' Civic Si Coupe to a MS3. I am not sure what the price tag is on the 08' Si Sedans, but I am going to safely say around 21-22k w/o nav. In most cases, the MS3 Sport model should have an MSRP around 22,850, so they are not that far apart.

I had a first year Si (2006) so it had its preliminary issues, a 3rd gear tranny "pop out/grind" issue, a cold start issue (ran like a dying animal) and the seats constantly felt like they were ripping or getting broken if you put any weight anywhere other then the center. Some of these issues were suppose to be "improved" but not totally resolved in 2007+. Some quick comparisons for you:

Performance: Hands down, MS3 is 10x more fun to drive, the Si has no lowend torque or no torque at all until VTec which can only really be had if you are revving the crap out of it. Si got slightly better gas mileage, but not enough to really brag about and if you are getting in Vtec... MPG MAY be worse. the Honda Transmission was beautiful (when it didn't grind in 3rd).

Suspension: I loved the suspension and handling in the Si, it was a little stiffer then the MS3 so you felt it a lot more over all the little bumps, but it was more solid and yielded a much more "connected" feel to car.

Braking: Both were solid, but the MS3 took the cake in my book in that department, it has some rock solid stoppers!

Interior: Si had a few more amnenities I liked (moonroof, NICE Stereo w/MP3, Digital speedo, etc.), BUT after driving it around, it gave me more and more of the "boyracer" feel in the interior and I wasn't diggin it too much. I like the more refined cleaner look of the Mazda interior, I just wish it had more options included with the sport model. But the interior space and practicality of the MS3 stomps all over the Civic.

Exterior: Both cars are niiiice... I like the styling on both, I like that fogs are factory on the MS3 and not additional cost like the Si. I really don't like the wing on the Sedan Si's either or the flat rear end. I also like the stealth look of the MS3... in the Si, every "fast and the furious" kid in their escorts, integras, civics, accords, etc. will want to race you at every stop light because they see the Si badge or they know it's an Si. When I traded it in at the Mazda dealer, 2 of the service techs were gawking all over the Si, when they left 10 minutes later, I could hear the buzz of the coffee cans, and knew exactly why... one drove a busted up SOHC hatch, the other a beaten DA integra, both with weld on mufflers and all the advanced auto accessories... I am not looking for that kind of attention.. and the MS3 hides a little better.

Modifications: Both cars are semi expensive to mod as they are new, difference being, the current MS3 mods seem to yield MUCH better results then products available for the Si. K-series motors are known to be stout motors, but take a good amount of work to make any lowend power, the MS3 motors potential is still uncertain, but very promising.

Warranty/Service: All of the problems I had with the Si, I was told were "normal" with the Civic, dealers reason: "Honda put a lot of work in to get the most out of these little 4 cylinders, so they are pushed to the max." So my cold start never got fixed, and the tranny thing was not an all the time grind, so if the tech didn't hear it when he drove, they shrugged and said it's fine. Mazda, is at least fixing everything I ask them to no questions asked.

Since this post I have put on my MS CAI and it makes me like the car even more, and the dealer has fixed everything I complained about, no charge, and have been very helpful.
 
blue2turbo said:
I would hope his wife wants to drive a stick, because both cars are only available in 6 spd.

Here is my post on this debate from a previous thread...

Let me shine a little light for you, seeing how I came from an 06' Civic Si Coupe to a MS3. I am not sure what the price tag is on the 08' Si Sedans, but I am going to safely say around 21-22k w/o nav. In most cases, the MS3 Sport model should have an MSRP around 22,850, so they are not that far apart.

I had a first year Si (2006) so it had its preliminary issues, a 3rd gear tranny "pop out/grind" issue, a cold start issue (ran like a dying animal) and the seats constantly felt like they were ripping or getting broken if you put any weight anywhere other then the center. Some of these issues were suppose to be "improved" but not totally resolved in 2007+. Some quick comparisons for you:

Performance: Hands down, MS3 is 10x more fun to drive, the Si has no lowend torque or no torque at all until VTec which can only really be had if you are revving the crap out of it. Si got slightly better gas mileage, but not enough to really brag about and if you are getting in Vtec... MPG MAY be worse. the Honda Transmission was beautiful (when it didn't grind in 3rd).

Suspension: I loved the suspension and handling in the Si, it was a little stiffer then the MS3 so you felt it a lot more over all the little bumps, but it was more solid and yielded a much more "connected" feel to car.

Braking: Both were solid, but the MS3 took the cake in my book in that department, it has some rock solid stoppers!

Interior: Si had a few more amnenities I liked (moonroof, NICE Stereo w/MP3, Digital speedo, etc.), BUT after driving it around, it gave me more and more of the "boyracer" feel in the interior and I wasn't diggin it too much. I like the more refined cleaner look of the Mazda interior, I just wish it had more options included with the sport model. But the interior space and practicality of the MS3 stomps all over the Civic.

Exterior: Both cars are niiiice... I like the styling on both, I like that fogs are factory on the MS3 and not additional cost like the Si. I really don't like the wing on the Sedan Si's either or the flat rear end. I also like the stealth look of the MS3... in the Si, every "fast and the furious" kid in their escorts, integras, civics, accords, etc. will want to race you at every stop light because they see the Si badge or they know it's an Si. When I traded it in at the Mazda dealer, 2 of the service techs were gawking all over the Si, when they left 10 minutes later, I could hear the buzz of the coffee cans, and knew exactly why... one drove a busted up SOHC hatch, the other a beaten DA integra, both with weld on mufflers and all the advanced auto accessories... I am not looking for that kind of attention.. and the MS3 hides a little better.

Modifications: Both cars are semi expensive to mod as they are new, difference being, the current MS3 mods seem to yield MUCH better results then products available for the Si. K-series motors are known to be stout motors, but take a good amount of work to make any lowend power, the MS3 motors potential is still uncertain, but very promising.

Warranty/Service: All of the problems I had with the Si, I was told were "normal" with the Civic, dealers reason: "Honda put a lot of work in to get the most out of these little 4 cylinders, so they are pushed to the max." So my cold start never got fixed, and the tranny thing was not an all the time grind, so if the tech didn't hear it when he drove, they shrugged and said it's fine. Mazda, is at least fixing everything I ask them to no questions asked.

Since this post I have put on my MS CAI and it makes me like the car even more, and the dealer has fixed everything I complained about, no charge, and have been very helpful.

Another well reasoned thought out post!

Excellent points all around. And you hit on my 3 main knocks against the Si

1. The civic interior while nice is a bit overdone and overbearing

2. The "Boy Racer" image can get old fast and getting revved at at every single stoplight could get annoying

3. NO TORQUE, NO TORQUE, NOOOOOOO TORRRRRRRQQQQQUUUEEEE!!!!
 
so donas64 your next car going to have a bit more tq then the p5?? lol (there really isn't any replacement for displacement they take to mods better, have a better starting platform and generaly come in rwd the tuner set up of choice)
 
Another thing to take into affect is resale value. Resale on a Honda is much better than a Mazda. So if you are not planning on driving it til it dies than this may be a factor too.
I recently bought an '07 SI coupe and I love it. My previously owned cars were a 90 Protege an 02 ES Protege and an '03 MSP. I just wanted to try another company. One thing I did notice is the price of the Mazdaspeed 3 is very tempting. Any car with close to the hp that car has is close to 30k range if not over. What did Mazda do differently to get it to be that cheap. Did they cut some corners like they did in the MSP. The engines in the 3's are great engines. But I am already seeing some things reminiscent of the MSP cars with motor mount issues and some other quirky things. I'm not saying that my SI is going to be trouble free but it's a Honda and they have been out for a while. In the end it's what makes you happy.
 

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