What kind of BOV are you running?

[CaSHMeRe]

i like forge and it kinda upsets me that they would make such a dumb product.
they know it is bad for the car, but i guess the "young bucks" gotta have their whoosh whoosh sound. a cai is one of the best mods you can get for this car. buy that and a forge recirc valve... you'll get all the noise you want.
hybrid valves..... they are like bi-sexuals, not straight... not gay.... just a little of both. if you want a loss of power mod it's almost as good of an idea as full VTA. and before someone jumps on me and says "you can tune for 50/50 or vta" if you want that silly noise bad enough to go out of your way to buy a valve that is not recommended for a MAF car, just to spend more money to make it work... thats just friggn stupid !

Wow, you need to get your facts straight. Why the **** did you put a weird ass black line down the "not so middle" of your car? because, its the same idea with people and their BOV's. It all about personal opinion. Yes some cosmetic (sight/sound) and yet others for performance.

Lets quote you ... "..to go out of your way to buy a valve that is not recommended for a MAF car" Who's recommendation is this ? You have no tuning solution and don't even think you have ever logged your car, so how do you know this? Obviously not first hand...

Next quote .... "...just to spend more money to make it work" Wow, you do realize how many people want a tuning solution. I gaurantee, the benefits of a tuning solution HIGHLY outweight the benefits of going with no tuning solution. Be able to run VTA or even a blow thru design is just a small plus of a tuning solution, not an only reason.

someone is in the closet still huh ??? oh... maybe not you put it right in your sig. for everyone to see !! not only is it a hybrid valve it's from SU !!! did you tell your parents !?!?

TRU -- u need to stop spreading useless s***. Everyone knows you're a rep for PG, so the more you talk s*** about another company, the worse you look.

You don't say this crap at the other forum because you know you will get eaten alive, so don't do it here either.


FINAL THOUGHT: I AM NOT A REP OF ANY COMPANY PERIOD. My Thoughts and opinions are based off FIRST hand experience. I hate when company rep's bag on each other.

 

[tru-boost]

even if PG made a hybrid valve i would tell you DONT BUY IT. i love FORGE products and i just bashed them for even thinking of making a hybrid. how do i know its bad without logging....hhmmmm well do you have a MAF ??? i do ...end of story. you vent metered air... you richen up briefly costing power. true yes i dont like SU, i wont deny it. i also know modding is different for each person. but most of the people looking to mod this car are not going to go all out. they want simple bolt-ons... CAI, BOV, and some exhaust. for those people i say... STAY AWAY FROM HYBRIDS, AND VTA VALVES ! for those who plan on getting some kind of tuning software, fine i guess. it wont harm anything properly tuned. also i say what i want on either forum... dont lie now !! i know i have said this same speech on the "other forum" i think you really need to chill out... seriously. i guess to each their own, but you are a smart guy, you cant honestly tell me you think VTA/hybrid venting is 100% fine ?!

also i am not a "rep" for anyone... call PG they will tell you. i do support them, and i do help with product testing, and what not.... but trust me i am not on the payroll !! i like them because they are experts, and local.. thats all.

boooo hoooo cash doesnt like my stripe !! i'm gonna take it off !

 

[AzMz3]

I think many are over exaggerating the VTA/hybrid issues from what they read on the net or heard from a friend.
Having had a turbo car with a MAF and a VTA BOV there was no loss in performance or issues with it. It did show a split second of being rich but nothing that will hurt the car in any way....And that is in between a shift! There was no flat spot/hesitation after a shift to show that the split second of richness is causing issues.

VTA/Hybrids IMO are only bad if they cause you drivability issues, like stalling or hesitation.

Mis-information only gets worst and worst when it keeps getting passed on and on by those that don't know what they are talking about.

And the stripe is unique I will give him that.

 

[CX-7owner]

What car did you have?

 

[tru-boost]

there are several people on this and the other forum who have tried their valves in VTA and have seen sputtering and backfiring. i also tried the greddy type s i had VTA... just for s**** & giggles. i was able to tune the spring pressure to make the backfiring stop. and the i was soooo tight i got comp. surge with higher boost levels. granted a hybrid should not be as bad as full VTA. i guess i just dont see the logic some have. if you are going to spend money for a mod... why not make it the best mod you can get ? why spend MORE money for something that WILL reduce performance. you may not even be able to feel it, but trust me it is happening ! you even said that it did show rich between shifts. running rich robs power. sure it is a brief, blonk of an eye power loss, but why would you do that ? over the 1/4 mile i would be willing to bet it would cost you 1-2 tenths. not to mention you are going to be dumping lots of raw fuel into your cats with every shift. that will greatly reduce their lifespan. i am not trying to preech here. i am trying to help stop you guys from truely senseless modding.

 

[AzMz3]

there are several people on this and the other forum who have tried their valves in VTA and have seen sputtering and backfiring. i also tried the greddy type s i had VTA... just for s**** & giggles. i was able to tune the spring pressure to make the backfiring stop. and the i was soooo tight i got comp. surge with higher boost levels. granted a hybrid should not be as bad as full VTA. i guess i just dont see the logic some have. if you are going to spend money for a mod... why not make it the best mod you can get ? why spend MORE money for something that WILL reduce performance. you may not even be able to feel it, but trust me it is happening ! you even said that it did show rich between shifts. running rich robs power. sure it is a brief, blonk of an eye power loss, but why would you do that ? over the 1/4 mile i would be willing to bet it would cost you 1-2 tenths. not to mention you are going to be dumping lots of raw fuel into your cats with every shift. that will greatly reduce their lifespan. i am not trying to preech here. i am trying to help stop you guys from truely senseless modding.

Assumptions don't make your preaching right!
Of course there are a few that say there are issues then there are some with no issues!
And running rich does rob power? How can you say that and preach about senseless modding! Do you even know how long it is running rich and how rich it is. And how do you consider it will cost you 1 - 2tenths in the 1/4? Again you have no idea what is going on to say the least.

 

[tru-boost]

yes sir... do some research. rich conditions rob power. i also suggest you research what a MAF is and how it works. if you acually unerstand what it does, how it works, and just how important its readings are to your cars tune, you will see. once you have some knowledge you will realize...... there is NO DEBATE ! modding is fun and people like different stuff, i understand, but for your cars sake...at least do it right !! and ther eare NONE with NO issues ! just because you cant see it or feel it (in what i assume is a highly trained butt dyno) doesnt mean there is nothing happening. the 1-2 tenth thing..... just a guess i admit it. but consider this.... a good driver will finish the 1/4 in 5th gear in a MS3. that is 4 shifts. each shift pushes you rich briefly robbing power and slowing turbo spool up. do that 4 times and i'm sure it will kill your time.

 

[AzMz3]

yes sir... do some research. rich conditions rob power. i also suggest you research what a MAF is and how it works. if you acually unerstand what it does, how it works, and just how important its readings are to your cars tune, you will see. once you have some knowledge you will realize...... there is NO DEBATE ! modding is fun and people like different stuff, i understand, but for your cars sake...at least do it right !! and ther eare NONE with NO issues ! just because you cant see it or feel it (in what i assume is a highly trained butt dyno) doesnt mean there is nothing happening. the 1-2 tenth thing..... just a guess i admit it. but consider this.... a good driver will finish the 1/4 in 5th gear in a MS3. that is 4 shifts. each shift pushes you rich briefly robbing power and slowing turbo spool up. do that 4 times and i'm sure it will kill your time.

You should really take your own advice as you have alot to learn and experience. There are some with no drivability issues.
I know how a MAF works and probally done more datalogging and tuning then you ever have to understand how things work.
Your assumptions is what is making you look cocky and un-intelligent. So you are correct there is no debate as you once again don't have any actually information but what you heard or read on the net.

 

[fourthmeal]

L.I.G. guys...

 

[tru-boost]

let me put it this way... our good friends at CP-E saw a large enough difference between recirc and vta, that their standback unit has a special tune JUST for making the NEEDED changes to run VTA. if you dont trust me, plese at least trust them, they are experts with these cars. if there was little or no adverse effect from runnig this way, would they have wasted the time comming up with a map to rectify the problem you claim doesnt exist. i feel that i am beating a dead horse here. there are 2 sides to every debate i guess. you can get just as good of a sound from a BPV with a cai. there is no need to ruin things with a VTA valve. tell me oh wise one what is even one positive benefit of switching to VTA/hybrid venting ?