What have you done to your Mazda5 today?

Can You Share ThePlans For That Bike Hoist?

Smart move. Thinking about experimenting with my take-off wheels and doing something similar. We have a powdercoat system at work. Also made myself a parking space today. There was way too many bicycles in the carport.
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This reminds me of how piercing loud the metal to metal contact was (shudder). Next time, I will wear ear plugs...

The powers at Google says 16" rim clear MS3 calipers. Rim offset will determine if you need spacers.

(not directed towards you) I don't quite understand how folks are willing to dump hundreds into audio and other trinkets but would not put up $200 to improve brakes to save an accident. The MS3 calipers is NOT comparable to better pads on the existing Mz5 brakes. Better pads on MS3 brakes is comparable to better pads on Mz5 brakes and I assure you the MS3 brakes with better pads win :)

I guess it is just me. I value brakes -a lot. I think in part I had an experience where the master cylinder developed a leak and I lost pressure and know the scary feeling to push the pedal and still have the car plow forward. An experience like that made me respect brakes.

I have no issues with the brakes on my Mazda5. So to me going through the hassle of installing MS3 calipers was not worth it to me. Now I put 13inch cobra rotors and dual piston PBR's on my mustang because that car needed it. The stock brakes on the Mazda5 will provide adequate stopping in a panic situation.
 
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I would improve the brakes if I honestly thought they needed improving. In the case of the 5 as I stated before, I haven't found them lacking. Another very important point to consider is the fact that MANY of the "big brake kits" that are available (at considerable cost) have been proven time and again to offer little to no improvement in stopping distances. I would rather spend the few hundred bucks on better TIRES, which I know will help the stock brakes perform as well as they can. I'm going to offer my opnion that the reason I "feel" the brakes on the 5 are good enough is because the spring rates are high enough that the car doesn't nose dive like a Stukka when I have to hammer the brakes. Thats just me though...
 
Can You Share ThePlans For That Bike Hoist?
When I finish it. The lifting action isn't as good as I expected and have to tweak it.

It's basically a 4x8 frame with studs on 12" centers. Hooks at 40" apart on each stud to hang the bikes by the wheels. The trick is to mount each bike backwards from each other so the handlebars aren't hitting each other.
 
There's still a lot of improvement that can be realized in the braking system of the Mazda5 by installing a combination of superior tires along with high-quality slotted rotors and performance ceramic pads. Installing a big brake kit may also require an expensive wheel/tire swap to accommodate larger rotors/calipers. It's a matter of cost, appearance, and how "streetable" you want your brakes to be. You could achieve track-level braking performance on the street but your brakes may also be loud, create lots of dust, and have limited lifetime.

Ah yes, people always forget about better tires to aid in improving stopping distances.
 
Took a road trip and discovered while at a stop that my front driver tire has a huge bubble, yikes! There's also a nice black marking on the rim so this leads me to belive the car must have hit a pot hole or something... Had to put the donut on the rear and move the rear to the front. The previous gorillas tighten the lug nuts on so tight I had a difficult time stomping it off with the tire iron!!... Grrrr.

Public Service Announcement:
1) CHECK THE AIR PRESSURE ON YOUR SPARE TIRE!!! Mine was down to 10psi. Luckily I carry around a cheapo electric air pump (mainly for bikes) that helped me in the pinch. A can of fix-a-flat is not going to help me here.
2) Carry a scrap steal pipe extension so you can He-man the lugs off easily. I guess this is not a concern if you didn’t over tighten to start with.


Now I need to shop for tires since they are worn pretty low anyway… I know I want GT All seasons. Torn between these four. Anyone have experience with the RE97AS or Cinturato P7? I was about to go Primacy but the Cinturato has my attention due to cost.
-Bridgestone Potenza RE97AS (Grand Touring All-Season)
-Continental PureContact with EcoPlus Technology (Grand Touring All-Season)
-Michelin Primacy MXV4 (Grand Touring All-Season)
-Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season Plus (Grand Touring All-Season)

I always untorque/retorque after a trip to the tire shop. I watch while they put the wheels back on too. As far as your spare- I want to replace the compact spare in the 5 with a Vredestein Space Master spare. Quite a few Benzes come with them, along with Porsches and a bunch of other Euro cars- they'll fit into a compact spot, but expand up to full size when you inflate them. Since you carry them uninflated, you're forced to pack a pump too. Underinflated/undersized spare problem solved. This is how I solved the "spare wheel too small after Stoptech big brakes were installed on the S2k" problem plus satisfying my want for a full size spare.

As for those tires, I wouldn't pick any of them... but I value grip over quiet and comfort- to a degree anyway on the family car. You can have UHP category tires without much noise penalty.

This reminds me of how piercing loud the metal to metal contact was (shudder). Next time, I will wear ear plugs...

The powers at Google says 16" rim clear MS3 calipers. Rim offset will determine if you need spacers.

(not directed towards you) I don't quite understand how folks are willing to dump hundreds into audio and other trinkets but would not put up $200 to improve brakes to save an accident. The MS3 calipers is NOT comparable to better pads on the existing Mz5 brakes. Better pads on MS3 brakes is comparable to better pads on Mz5 brakes and I assure you the MS3 brakes with better pads win :)

I guess it is just me. I value brakes -a lot. I think in part I had an experience where the master cylinder developed a leak and I lost pressure and know the scary feeling to push the pedal and still have the car plow forward. An experience like that made me respect brakes.

Brakes are VERY important. Tires are even more important since the stock brakes have more than enough power to lock up any set of tires you put on that car. Now repeated stops under heavy load? That's when you need to upgrade the heat capacity of your braking system...

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My 2006 Mazda5 with a newly installed engine and 18x8 on a 215 / 40 wheels

Nice!

I would improve the brakes if I honestly thought they needed improving. In the case of the 5 as I stated before, I haven't found them lacking. Another very important point to consider is the fact that MANY of the "big brake kits" that are available (at considerable cost) have been proven time and again to offer little to no improvement in stopping distances. I would rather spend the few hundred bucks on better TIRES, which I know will help the stock brakes perform as well as they can. I'm going to offer my opnion that the reason I "feel" the brakes on the 5 are good enough is because the spring rates are high enough that the car doesn't nose dive like a Stukka when I have to hammer the brakes. Thats just me though...

I thought the stock suspension had a LOT of dive.

Ah yes, people always forget about better tires to aid in improving stopping distances.

That's the most important part of the car- after all, it's the only part of the car that touches the ground.

There's still a lot of improvement that can be realized in the braking system of the Mazda5 by installing a combination of superior tires along with high-quality slotted rotors and performance ceramic pads. Installing a big brake kit may also require an expensive wheel/tire swap to accommodate larger rotors/calipers. It's a matter of cost, appearance, and how "streetable" you want your brakes to be. You could achieve track-level braking performance on the street but your brakes may also be loud, create lots of dust, and have limited lifetime.

Slotted rotors don't really gain you anything. Run blanks- cheaper. If you understand the benefits of slotted rotors with modern pads then get them, but otherwise run blanks for maximum surface area, heat capacity, and durability- not to mention cost.
 
I would improve the brakes if I honestly thought they needed improving. In the case of the 5 as I stated before, I haven't found them lacking. Another very important point to consider is the fact that MANY of the "big brake kits" that are available (at considerable cost) have been proven time and again to offer little to no improvement in stopping distances. I would rather spend the few hundred bucks on better TIRES, which I know will help the stock brakes perform as well as they can. I'm going to offer my opnion that the reason I "feel" the brakes on the 5 are good enough is because the spring rates are high enough that the car doesn't nose dive like a Stukka when I have to hammer the brakes. Thats just me though...
Good point on the tires but I would image most here run some sort of all seasons. They are definitely the most important in all aspects (handling, MPG, stopping since it is the only thing touching the road)! But I will disagree about the dive. The OE spring rate is not high at all.

I do agree the stock brakes are OK, especially if you are driving solo or light load. It becomes an issue when you are loaded up, and compounded if you had to make multiple panic stops. After the first-second hard stop, brake fade becomes noticeable (better pads would help) but there’s more. This was experience in my GT with brand new Mazda OE pads and 6/32 Touring-AS tires loaded up with 4 adults, 2 kids, and bags tucked all over. For day in/day out, the stockers are ok. Also none issues if you are the gradual braking type (safe following distance) and hope to never run into any panic/emergency situations.

I would not call the MS3 brakes a big brake kit, not even close. BBK’s run well over $1k and utilize large pistons or multi pistons. For the record, both the Mz5 and MS3 calipers have the same diameter pistons. Per MS3 owners, they also clear 16” rims. It is simply a nice upgrade for little money like how the MS3 RSB improves the rear end. Not earth shattering but a noticeable and welcomed improvement for very little money (effort in cost is a different debate). The upgrade is only cost effective if you have the need to do pads and rotors and means to DIY, otherwise it would be not be cost effective but then again OE rotor really do suck so your call.

I don’t believe the benefit lie in slightly larger pads or rotors, which obviously help. Assuming all things equal, what the MS3 calipers provide is the extra large surface area in the caliper bodies. Looking at how the floating caliper design works, you'll notice the Mz5's is quite small. Here's my interpretation on where the benefit lie, do excuse me if my example is not so good as I’m using an extreme to illustrate a point. Imagine taking your two hands and straighten all of your fingers and on the tips of each hand is a pad. Image if there is a spinning disc in the middle. Imagine trying to stop the imaginary disc from spinning by pushing your finger tips together (against the pad, which goes against the disc). Now imagine all things equal (same rotor, pads, tires, etc.). Having the MS3 caliper bodies are akin to using your palm to do the same thing. The amount of force you apply pushing with fingers or palm does not change. This is the benefit, particularly brake feel/confidence you get. I hope this makes sense.

My main point is share there is very good benefit from this upgrade. I'm not promoting it since it invovles your time and money and we all have different priorities in our lives. It is something to consider "IF" you need new pads AND rotors and capable of DIY. Be safe.


As far as your spare- I want to replace the compact spare in the 5 with a Vredestein Space Master spare. Quite a few Benzes come with them, along with Porsches and a bunch of other Euro cars- they'll fit into a compact spot, but expand up to full size when you inflate them. Since you carry them uninflated, you're forced to pack a pump too.

As for those tires, I wouldn't pick any of them... but I value grip over quiet and comfort- to a degree anyway on the family car. You can have UHP category tires without much noise penalty.
Thanks. I will have to look into that spare.

Like all things in life, there will be trade-offs. I'm at a point where I value "quite" and "cargo space" :( but :) so GT-AS is the category for me but man the tires in this class are pricy.
 
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Good point on the tires but I would image most here run some sort of all seasons. They are definitely the most important in all aspects (handling, MPG, stopping since it is the only thing touching the road)! But I will disagree about the dive. The OE spring rate is not high at all.

I do agree the stock brakes are OK, especially if you are driving solo or light load. It becomes an issue when you are loaded up, and compounded if you had to make multiple panic stops. After the first-second hard stop, brake fade becomes noticeable (better pads would help) but there’s more. This was experience in my GT with brand new Mazda OE pads and 6/32 Touring-AS tires loaded up with 4 adults, 2 kids, and bags tucked all over. For day in/day out, the stockers are ok. Also none issues if you are the gradual braking type (safe following distance) and hope to never run into any panic/emergency situations.

I would not call the MS3 brakes a big brake kit, not even close. BBK’s run well over $1k and utilize large pistons or multi pistons. For the record, both the Mz5 and MS3 calipers have the same diameter pistons. Per MS3 owners, they also clear 16” rims. It is simply a nice upgrade for little money like how the MS3 RSB improves the rear end. Not earth shattering but a noticeable and welcomed improvement for very little money (effort in cost is a different debate). The upgrade is only cost effective if you have the need to do pads and rotors and means to DIY, otherwise it would be not be cost effective but then again OE rotor really do suck so your call.

I don’t believe the benefit lie in slightly larger pads or rotors, which obviously help. Assuming all things equal, what the MS3 calipers provide is the extra large surface area in the caliper bodies. Looking at how the floating caliper design works, you'll notice the Mz5's is quite small. Here's my interpretation on where the benefit lie, do excuse me if my example is not so good as I’m using an extreme to illustrate a point. Imagine taking your two hands and straighten all of your fingers and on the tips of each hand is a pad. Image if there is a spinning disc in the middle. Imagine trying to stop the imaginary disc from spinning by pushing your finger tips together (against the pad, which goes against the disc). Now imagine all things equal (same rotor, pads, tires, etc.). Having the MS3 caliper bodies are akin to using your palm to do the same thing. The amount of force you apply pushing with fingers or palm does not change. This is the benefit, particularly brake feel/confidence you get. I hope this makes sense.

My main point is share there is very good benefit from this upgrade. I'm not promoting it since it invovles your time and money and we all have different priorities in our lives. It is something to consider "IF" you need new pads AND rotors and capable of DIY. Be safe.


Thanks. I will have to look into that spare.

Like all things in life, there will be trade-offs. I'm at a point where I value "quite" and "cargo space" :( but :) so GT-AS is the category for me but man the tires in this class are pricy.

Yeah... OEM is pretty low on the spring rate.

And I love my Stoptechs- but I'm going to take a 15" and a 16" wheel to work next week and see how clearance is on my friend's MS3.

Grand Touring tires are pretty expensive since they're considered "luxury" tires for comfort and noise... I just prefer more noise I guess. :D
 
Yeah... OEM is pretty low on the spring rate.

And I love my Stoptechs- but I'm going to take a 15" and a 16" wheel to work next week and see how clearance is on my friend's MS3.

Grand Touring tires are pretty expensive since they're considered "luxury" tires for comfort and noise... I just prefer more noise I guess. :D
I tired to mount an old set of 15" BBS rims, no go, but it wasn't far off. Keep in mind you may need spacers depending on the offset/spoke design of the 16" you bring. Let us know.

I am so torn on tires right now. I really want the GT-AS but the UHP-AS are priced right. Either PureContacts or 4X are my OP choices. $145 difference I can use on other junk... Will the long tread wear really pay off? Thoughts? Need to buy soon.

GT-AS
Conti PureContacts $448
Pirelli P7 $474
-=Or=-
UHP-AS
Kumho 4X $303
Gen G-Max $275
 
I tired to mount an old set of 15" BBS rims, no go, but it wasn't far off. Keep in mind you may need spacers depending on the offset/spoke design of the 16" you bring. Let us know.

I am so torn on tires right now. I really want the GT-AS but the UHP-AS are priced right. Either PureContacts or 4X are my OP choices. $145 difference I can use on other junk... Will the long tread wear really pay off? Thoughts? Need to buy soon.

GT-AS
Conti PureContacts $448
Pirelli P7 $474
-=Or=-
UHP-AS
Kumho 4X $303
Gen G-Max $275

I had Kumho Ecsta 4X's on my Scion tC, Crossfire, and will put them on the 5 when the current tires wear out. Just my opinion.
 
I tired to mount an old set of 15" BBS rims, no go, but it wasn't far off. Keep in mind you may need spacers depending on the offset/spoke design of the 16" you bring. Let us know.

I am so torn on tires right now. I really want the GT-AS but the UHP-AS are priced right. Either PureContacts or 4X are my OP choices. $145 difference I can use on other junk... Will the long tread wear really pay off? Thoughts? Need to buy soon.

GT-AS
Conti PureContacts $448
Pirelli P7 $474
-=Or=-
UHP-AS
Kumho 4X $303
Gen G-Max $275

I'd go with the 4X. I've had a few sets of ASXs on other cars (4X's predecessor) and was extremely happy. I hear tons of good things about the Generals, but I've never driven on them in either mine or another person's car just yet.

The 15 I have is a Motegi Trak-Lite 15x7 +42 (10 pound wheel) and the 16 I'll bring is the front wheel from my S2000 16x7 +55.
 
Well I did get into the 5 after driving a Subaru Forester for three years, now THAT thing nose-dived like a Stukka! I guess its all relative, or maybe my 5 was fitted with stock height high rate springs? LOL not likely. I will second the opinion on the Kumho tires, though my experience with them was that they didn't last as long as i had hoped. I had two sets of ASXs on my Honda, which was admittedly silly low and driven very hard. The first set lasted one year and 48K, the second set was on the car when it died by my hand at 119K and they were BALD. I too would like to get the MS3 brakes, although my interest in them is largely cosmetic, my bad driving history has made me an extremely conservative driver, braking wise.
 
Nicely done! That looks like it came from the factory. Changed my oil (132K) was going to change/swap trans fluid, but ran out of money. I have a suction gun, and was wondering if any of you have used one to get more than three quarts out of the trans when doing the "flush and fill" routine.
 
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