What cars do MS6's compete in class?

[MS6S2K]

AWD Usually = Launching advantage.

Hard launching (abuse and premature wear) AWD Usually = Launching Advantage.
(burnout) (burnout)

 

[Killer]

AWD Depending heavily on driver talent = Launching advantage.

Fixed (rofl2)

 

[snooky]

thanks

 

[Koenig]

Wow, I read all that stuff, i must be bored (lol) on a serious note I have driven the legacy GT (it was spec B) and the MS6 back to back in the same DAY actually...... to be honest I was more happy with the MS6, the spec B......the interior may have been SLIGHTLY better in the spec B, but it wasn't THAT noticeable unless you really got down to the grimey grit of detail and stared at things up close.

for a YEAR I had actually been comparing the spec B to the MS6

(btw those who are basing the normal legacy GT, the spec b does have a performance gain over the standard legacy GT) those saying the spec b are faster I believe are actually incorrect.....what are you basing this on? Magazines? PLEASE, unless you have hard evidence that you actually took 2 cars at the same day same track and ran them in the same conditions with the same launch technique.... you should stop talking out of your butt. The spec b and the MS6 are practically dead even.... you can even find videos of the 2 racing online... and you can see in some videos the spec b will inch out the ms6 just barely and VICE VERSA..... the cars are pretty much even.

I went with the MS6 not only cause it looks better...but because it is less known and to be honest I'd like to be more "unique" rather than have a spec b like the old guy down the block..... I see a lot of spec b's in south florida... when i'm driving, and i've seen maybe THREE ms6. Whats that say to me? I'm not going to have a "me too" car....

now like psi was saying I too would like to have aftermarket support behind it.....seriously when does ANY sub 50k car come from factory with a perfect suspension? Almost never.... even the spec b's suspension could be done up better.... just like the MS6 and I'm definitely going to be getting some springs to lower it a bit, as it'll sit on top of new wheels the stockers are ugly... i even dislike the stock wheels on the legacy gt spec b.

Anyone remember that mazda summer heat thing where they went around and you could test drive any car? they came to Miami FL, I went with a friend..... without even missing a heartbeat after he drove the speed6 around the auto-x style cone course he stepped out the car and said to me "that b**** needs a drop, she sits a bit high"

yeah.... and the fact there is now aftermarket for the ms6 makes me happy....... a turbo capable of pushing 26 psi and giving OVER 500 hp at the crank?

dragtimes.com has a speed3 in canada that ran a 13.029.....just imagine that turbo (the GT3076R) on our speed6s........ glory hallelujah!!

turbo, fmic, intake, proper full exhaust, and a plug n play ecu when it comes out........ we're looking at a good low 12s POSSIBLY high 11s car (with the right driver) while spending under $5000 for performance parts

so now I can have semi-luxury AND the ability to be quick..... even quicker than some STIs and Evos out there........ and I said SOME... not all, and even then I've read there are other companies making turbos..... CP-E is working on one that I'm aware of..... It's a good possibility in the future, with the right tune and turbo you could be touching close to 500 ponies at the wheels....... (drive2)

 

[Jonesy32]

Good post Koenig but I have to wonder if the drivetrain in these MS6's can handle much more power?? I see a bunch of posts, just in this forum, about people screwing their tranny's up and those cars aren't even pushing 300 HP to the wheels!!

I used to light up my rear tires with my previous cars (all rear drives) without even worring about dumping my clutch at 6000 rpm's with no problems what so ever but I hear people in here saying "never dump your clutch above 5500 RPM's".

So, I was just questioning the durability of these cars when you start to add HP and TQ. Does it have to do with this car being AWD? Any STI or EVO owners worry about not dumping their clutch? Just a thought, not trying to bash anyone or this car because I actually LOVE mine.

 

[MS6S2K]

Wow, I read all that stuff, i must be bored (lol) on a serious note I have driven the legacy GT (it was spec B) and the MS6 back to back in the same DAY actually...... to be honest I was more happy with the MS6, the spec B......the interior may have been SLIGHTLY better in the spec B, but it wasn't THAT noticeable unless you really got down to the grimey grit of detail and stared at things up close.

for a YEAR I had actually been comparing the spec B to the MS6

(btw those who are basing the normal legacy GT, the spec b does have a performance gain over the standard legacy GT) those saying the spec b are faster I believe are actually incorrect.....what are you basing this on? Magazines? PLEASE, unless you have hard evidence that you actually took 2 cars at the same day same track and ran them in the same conditions with the same launch technique.... you should stop talking out of your butt. The spec b and the MS6 are practically dead even.... you can even find videos of the 2 racing online... and you can see in some videos the spec b will inch out the ms6 just barely and VICE VERSA..... the cars are pretty much even.

I went with the MS6 not only cause it looks better...but because it is less known and to be honest I'd like to be more "unique" rather than have a spec b like the old guy down the block..... I see a lot of spec b's in south florida... when i'm driving, and i've seen maybe THREE ms6. Whats that say to me? I'm not going to have a "me too" car...
)

Well, I chose the Speed 6 over the regular Legacy GT based on looks. However, I saw a Spec B in the showroom, and I tell ya, that car looked SWEET, The features that baby has, along with the mod potential, and the better AWD system, I'd DEFINITELY take one of them over my Speed 6 in a heartbeat. However, the problem lies in the fact that the Spec B is a very limited car that sells for a lot more then a Speed GT even would. I got my Speed 6 Sport Last July for $23500. I was actually gonna trade my STI in for a Legacy GT, but the price on the Speed 6 sold me. It's subjective, but the Spec B is in reality a better car, which is why it's also more expensive.

I also have to correct you on something. I guess not in your area, but overall I believe there are more Speed 6s currently then Spec Bs. 500 units for 2006, and I believe under 3000 for 2007. Now overall including the regular Legacy GT, the Speed 6 is definitely much more rare. The Speed 6, I don't know of, but it appears production far exceeded the 5000, that's why they were left with so many, and had to offer insane deals. Heck, I had 8 to choose from in my one dealership alone. They they started knocking the price way down, those sold, and I checked inventory again and they had another 6. With the high price of the Spec B, it's a slow seller, and it's very limited, so the deals are very difficult to come by. I'm happy with my Speed 6 because of the price, but who am I kidding. I'd have never paid even invoice for this car. Now that I own it though, I'm glad I have it, but I still would take the Spec B in a heartbeat over it, if for no other reasons then it's better mod potential, and more features. Gotta love the SI drive. That must be a fun gadget to play with.

 

[Koenig]

Well, I chose the Speed 6 over the regular Legacy GT based on looks. However, I saw a Spec B in the showroom, and I tell ya, that car looked SWEET, The features that baby has, along with the mod potential, and the better AWD system, I'd DEFINITELY take one of them over my Speed 6 in a heartbeat. However, the problem lies in the fact that the Spec B is a very limited car that sells for a lot more then a Speed GT even would. I got my Speed 6 Sport Last July for $23500. I was actually gonna trade my STI in for a Legacy GT, but the price on the Speed 6 sold me. It's subjective, but the Spec B is in reality a better car, which is why it's also more expensive.

I also have to correct you on something. I guess not in your area, but overall I believe there are more Speed 6s currently then Spec Bs. 500 units for 2006, and I believe under 3000 for 2007. Now overall including the regular Legacy GT, the Speed 6 is definitely much more rare. The Speed 6, I don't know of, but it appears production far exceeded the 5000, that's why they were left with so many, and had to offer insane deals. Heck, I had 8 to choose from in my one dealership alone. They they started knocking the price way down, those sold, and I checked inventory again and they had another 6. With the high price of the Spec B, it's a slow seller, and it's very limited, so the deals are very difficult to come by. I'm happy with my Speed 6 because of the price, but who am I kidding. I'd have never paid even invoice for this car. Now that I own it though, I'm glad I have it, but I still would take the Spec B in a heartbeat over it, if for no other reasons then it's better mod potential, and more features. Gotta love the SI drive. That must be a fun gadget to play with.

Don't get me wrong, I know the spec B is a limited production run (at least according to Subie cause they've been known to make a limited run, and then do it "again") and more speed6s are made than the spec b, but there are also the regular GTs around here, as you can see the badging.

But around in south florida.... I mean this state is like retirement central and people always seem to be moving here.... I just haven't seen many mazdaspeed6s around here. The state is more like a "tuner" state I guess, so people know about the FC and FD3S and the rx-8 supra's are dyno queens, STIs, Evos, 350zs G35s etc.... but if you go to some of the locally well known "car meets" where people go to hang out and show off their car, you might see ONE speed6.... there's a drag track by me and I've only seen ONE other speed6 at that track (besides me, but I haven't run yet)

I would love a spec B as well, i mean there are a lot of performance mods as well as body mods, I mean I'm still waiting for COBB to make their plug n play for the speed6.... but look at this for the spec B

now this may not be the BEST bumper out there (i saved a picture of what I thought was the best bumper but it's at my PC at home) I'm just using it as an example that you can pretty much "clean up" the dull looking fascia of the legacy GT, and I'm still here trying to figure out how to get front bumper flares from the M'z Tune mazdaspeed atenza in Japan.... not much in our market....not yet anyway.

If I could, I would own BOTH cars, why? well subie has PROVEN effective unwarranted AWD systems.... just look at the WRC.... they can take abuse.... look at the 177 foot jump from stunt junkies that guy did with a STI.... that can take abuse....

and I like how the mazda's engine sounds better than the boxer engine from the spec B...... looks were also a factory in my car because I can't just drop 1200 for a body kit on a spec B after i put a down payment, trade in, and probably HIGHER monthly payments than the speed6 is running me. but hey if I could afford both a spec b and a speed6, then I probably would have waited to purchase one of those twin turbo 335i beemers....as soon as they make AWD (2thumbs)

 

[Koenig]

Good post Koenig but I have to wonder if the drivetrain in these MS6's can handle much more power?? I see a bunch of posts, just in this forum, about people screwing their tranny's up and those cars aren't even pushing 300 HP to the wheels!!

I used to light up my rear tires with my previous cars (all rear drives) without even worring about dumping my clutch at 6000 rpm's with no problems what so ever but I hear people in here saying "never dump your clutch above 5500 RPM's".

So, I was just questioning the durability of these cars when you start to add HP and TQ. Does it have to do with this car being AWD? Any STI or EVO owners worry about not dumping their clutch? Just a thought, not trying to bash anyone or this car because I actually LOVE mine.

I couldn't tell you from a personal stand point perspective..... I haven't had a chance to crawl under my car and look at everything and take stuff apart and see what kind of clutch i'm running, etc etc.

technically you shouldn't really dump a clutch at all.....it induces more wear on the clutch and in time leads to you replacing your clutch or clutch assembly a lot sooner than you would like to..... on top of that, it could also be because as of current, the speed6 appears to have a bad clutch assembly... There is one guy who used the XEDE ems on his speed 6... and hi dynoed what, i think it was either 260 or 280 whp..... I haven't read anything about him ruining his clutch. My friend has a WRX and as far as I know he would never dump his clutch, he's actually building a mercedes E series up to be just like the old 89 evolution benz..... he already ruined the clutch on that car testing his new engine, by dumping the clutch... and it was the old factory clutch...

I personally think the clutch could be better.... I haven't read any of the transmission horror stories yet, but if it's just the clutch plate they can get something from maybe clutchmasters.com if they carry for our application and find something that's capable of holding a certain limit of HP.... I was taught to not really dump the clutch in any car, I mean you CAN do it, but after enough times you will fry the clutch.... so I'm impressed you dumped the clutch in your other cars and didn't have any problems.... were those stock clutch assemblies?

 

[Karma_hunden]

Damn, Im too lazy to reall all those paragraphs...or should i say testimonies.

Anyways, Koenig, there's a Speed6/3 meet every wednesday at the top floor of the burlington garage in Sawgrass Mall at 8pm. See you there.

 

[Koenig]

Awesome man, thanks for that I'll be there........stock speed6 and all (2thumbs)

look for the black cherry with a superman sticker on the rear window

 

[Koenig]

you know what I realized? although they haven't appeared to have sold many..... another car that would be in this class (but has a FAR better interior than either the MS6 or the spec B) is the 2007 Acura TL Type-S

I test drove one at the dealer, it was a beautiful car.... with a price tag of $42k (lol) F all that.........

but seriously it seemed close in performance, given it's only FWD, the MS6 might come out on the top but not by any means of "smoking" it

I would like to see a PERFORMANCE car review between the TL Type-S the MS6 and the legacy GT spec B (i'm writing to motor trend, car & driver, and that other magazine as you read this)

be aware I said PERFORMANCE......... i don't give a crap who has the best interior(shrug) , it's already obvious to me it's the TL with it's luxurious leather and all it's options, even the NAV screen is better positioned than the MS6. (even the spec B nav screen is better positioned than the MS6)

I want to know about the balls out performance..... 1/4 mile... 0-60..... 0-100 the braking, the slalom, the road course at willow springs....... I want to know who comes out on top in regards of PERFORMANCE!!!!!(pullup)

(2thumbs)

Wish me luck, I hope they read my s*** and consider it seriously....that would be hot... 07 TL TYPE-S, 07 MS6, and 07 LGT spec B (eyeballs)

 

[RevLimitLaunch]

compare prices and for 10g's less you get a well equipped ms6 compared to the base model type s...that's enough of a comparison lol.

 

[Koenig]

(fu)

it's people like you that miss the entirety of my post (lol)

I want to see a PERFORMANCE comparison, not price tag/luxury comparison.......that is all (2thumbs)

 

[RevLimitLaunch]

ferrari vs ms6...that's what im getting at with price tag vs performance
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and car and driver has specs on both. or its motortrend.

 

[Koenig]

i don't care for price tag and performance, MS6s technically don't compete with Ferraris in regards to performance either.........

Think of it like the "shoot outs" that motor trend does, like they did the Mustang GT500 vs Viper SRT10 Coupe vs Corvette z06..... they did all the performance stuff ran them both around willow springs.......and even took them out on the usual daily drive on the highway 198.....

well i wanna see the same thing with those 3 cars

performance shootout......... 2007 mazdaspeed6 vs 2007 legacy gt spec b vs 2007 acura tl type-s

(headbang)

 

[Koenig]

ok ok i changed my mind......... 4 car shootout!!!!

Mazda Mazdaspeed6 vs Subaru Legacy GT spec.B vs Acura TL Type-S vs Nissan Altima SE-R

that's it (headbang) a 4 car "performance sedan" comparo (2thumbs)

 

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

THE LEGACY IS HARDLY CONSIDERED IN THE MS6'S CLASS. it only is in light of the fact that they both have a turbo and they both have leather

that being said i'd like to inform everyone that hasn't happened to race a legacy GT....we smoke them..we roll them up in a huge strawberry flavored white owl, and smoke them like a blunt.....nuf sed

 

[jdub260]

ferrari vs ms6...that's what im getting at with price tag vs performance
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and car and driver has specs on both. or its motortrend.

Well you will get a kick out of this then. Attached are the reaults from the Auto-X this past Sunday.

The Noble, Ferrari and Lotus were three of the nicest cars that I have ever seen in person, but man did the drivers suck.

The first pic is A Street Prepared(Them) and the second is Street Tire Street Mod(Me). I whited out all the names.

 

[Jonesy32]

I personally think the clutch could be better.... I haven't read any of the transmission horror stories yet, but if it's just the clutch plate they can get something from maybe clutchmasters.com if they carry for our application and find something that's capable of holding a certain limit of HP.... I was taught to not really dump the clutch in any car, I mean you CAN do it, but after enough times you will fry the clutch.... so I'm impressed you dumped the clutch in your other cars and didn't have any problems.... were those stock clutch assemblies?

Yes, they were stock clutches and lasted 80,000 miles plus. I get what your saying about not "dumping the clutch" and it does put unwarranted wear on them but it was just an observation I had skimming these forums.

I remember my IROC when I was 19, I would redline it and then completely dump the clutch and leave 75 yard skidmarks. In fact the car would just sit there for a good 5-7 seconds spinning the rear tires without me even touching the brakes. Once the rubber was heated enough it would grab hold of the pavement and continue to put down marks. I'm not lying when I tell you I did this more times than I could count, at least the tire company loved me! I sold that car with 85,000 miles on with the original clutch!!! Grant it, it needed a new one because it started to slip a little but I was selling it to my nephew and he wanted to upgrade it anyway, so...original clutch!

Again, not bashing the MS6, just an observation about the other parts in these cars holding up to more power.

 

[snooky]

Well you will get a kick out of this then. Attached are the reaults from the Auto-X this past Sunday.

The Noble, Ferrari and Lotus were three of the nicest cars that I have ever seen in person, but man did the drivers suck.

The first pic is A Street Prepared(Them) and the second is Street Tire Street Mod(Me). I whited out all the names.

K this might sound like a dumb Q, but i didnt fully understand what your attacjment represent? was it a race?

thanks(crazy)