What cars do MS6's compete in class?

[Karma_hunden]

look. the msp6 beats the spec b, 350z and a g35 and an automatic porsche cayman. Not to mention the boxter or the rx-8. All of these I have either seen or raced. What else do you want?

 

[snooky]

look. the msp6 beats the spec b, 350z and a g35 and an automatic porsche cayman. Not to mention the boxter or the rx-8. All of these I have either seen or raced. What else do you want?

Finally THANK YOU! thats exactly what ive been waiting for haha, i just wanted to know what cars the ms6 beats... thanks Karma hunden. now if i go out and i guy either car tries to race me ill know if i can win a nd not look like a retard lol

 

[lencarv]

Your response makes me laugh. "Since I didn't read your post"??? Umm... if I hadn't READ your post, I wouldn't have been able to COMMENT on many of the SPECIFIC points you made. Just for the record, the quote you're refering to simply said "It cannot be compared to any other car on the road." Obviously you meant to add "for the money" (which you said later on, but, since it wasn't part of the previous sentence, can't be assumed." But who cares? This isn't English class so I won't get on you for poor written communication. Now that I know what you meant, I suppose your statement makes more sense.

That said, I'm not sure if you've read MY post in entirety. These incentives that I referred to (which create a large disparity between the two cars in terms of price) are temporary and, depending on when you bought YOUR car, may not have been something you were able to take advantage of. In reality, that's irrelevant. My point of contention with you was that you feel the MS6 has a higher quality interior. You also feel that this is only something that can be proved with science. If my previous post (along with it's extreme -for a reason- "dodge omni" reference- didn't adaquately address this ridiculous notion of yours, nothing I say will. So why bother to say any more? You're happy with your car and that's all that matters. The last thing I'd ever want to do is contribute to buyers-remorse. So, despite the fact that you most likely never even drove (or even sat in) an LGT (and if you say you have, that only makes your comments that much more absurd) , go on and believe your car is superior in virtually every way.

Is english not your first language or are you blind? READ my post (here is the statement I made) "It cannot be compared to any other car on the road. The fit, ride, power, quality, and look, are beyond anything on the road for the MONEY." How is that not clear to you? Maybe this will help..."No puede ser comparado a ningn otro coche en el camino. Los adecuados, paseo, poder, calidad, y mirada, estn ms all de algo en el camino para el DINERO." Adis

 

[psi365]

Finally THANK YOU! thats exactly what ive been waiting for haha, i just wanted to know what cars the ms6 beats... thanks Karma hunden. now if i go out and i guy either car tries to race me ill know if i can win a nd not look like a retard lol

The name of the the thread is what cars are in the MS6's class. The LGT spec B is the clsest car you are going to get comparing new to new. There are tons of cars for more money, or you could buy used that could be better handling, and faster. I gave you a pretty good list of some new and used cars to look at. You aren't giving any of us perimeters as to what you want to look at except what is close to an MS6. The subie LGT is the closest car to compete againist the MS6 period. If you choose not to get a spec B, the regular LGT limited is about as cheap as the MS6.
Used cars for under $40k
Rear drive
MB C32 amg
MB E55 amg
BMW M3
Dodge Charger Srt8
Front drive
Dodge Srt4
Nissan Altima Ser
Acura TL type S
Acura TL (newer bodystyle)
Acura Tsx
AWD
Infinity G35x sedan
Volvo S60r
Audi S4
Audi S6
Audi S8
All those cars are four doors, all but one come with at least 250hp, and all cost at or under $40k used
New
rear drive
Dodge Charger R/T
awd
Subaru Wrx Sti limited
Subaru Legacy GT limited
Subaru Legacy GT limited spec B
Mitsu Evo 9 (with leather, sunroof, sound package)
Dodge Magnum R/T awd
Fwd
Nissan Altima SER(not sure if they still offer it)
Acura Tsx
Lexus IS250
G35 Sedan (the awd models are around $40k I think)
VW Jetta GLI

All of these cars have more then 200hp and are at around $35k. Some like the Lexus and Acura have signifactantly less hp, but have more luxury options then the rest. All of them are 4 drs.

Both lists have some cars that will kick the MS6's ass, but lack some of the luxurry. Some have more luxury, but less performance. Some get incrediably poor gas mileage. Some lack awd. All however are 4 door cars. So depending on whether snow is a factor depends on what I'd buy. Also depends on whether new or used is a big deal. You also have to factor in cost of repair to it too.

 

[Karma_hunden]

I have learned that if the audi has an S...stay away from it. If the beemer has an M...yah, thats a no no. jsut a few pointers.

 

[snooky]

I have learned that if the audi has an S...stay away from it. If the beemer has an M...yah, thats a no no. jsut a few pointers.

Hahaha, words of wizdome ill take that advice lol

what if the car has an -"R" lol?

just kidding

 

[UtesFanRy]

I have learned that if the audi has an S...stay away from it. If the beemer has an M...yah, thats a no no. jsut a few pointers.

Unless its an S4. I have WORKED more than one of those in my MS6. The look on the last guys face that tried showing what his was capable of was priceless... WTF?? is what he was thinking I'm sure. NOW that being said a newer S4 w/the V8 is something to be careful of... I haven't encountered one of these yet.

Same for M3's.... If it is a 99 or older M3, they don't stand a chance w/o some serious work.

 

[snooky]

Unless its an S4. I have WORKED more than one of those in my MS6. The look on the last guys face that tried showing what his was capable of was priceless... WTF?? is what he was thinking I'm sure. NOW that being said a newer S4 w/the V8 is something to be careful of... I haven't encountered one of these yet.

Same for M3's.... If it is a 99 or older M3, they don't stand a chance w/o some serious work.

I know this is going to sound wiered but its soo crazy to think that my lil MS6 can take on big dogs like BMW's and Audi's. i mean coming from a small lil P5 to this is a HUGE jump.

I LOVE MY MS6, im just pist that i got the car friday and it hasnt stopped raining yet!

how long should i wait before ripping it? Like most dealerships tell me after 2000kml its worked in enough to fully push it, is this tru?

 

[UtesFanRy]

I know this is going to sound wiered but its soo crazy to think that my lil MS6 can take on big dogs like BMW's and Audi's. i mean coming from a small lil P5 to this is a HUGE jump.

I LOVE MY MS6, im just pist that i got the car friday and it hasnt stopped raining yet!

how long should i wait before ripping it? Like most dealerships tell me after 2000kml its worked in enough to fully push it, is this tru?

My dealership told me 600 miles... On both of mine I waited until 1000 miles, changed the oil and haven't looked back since!..

I came from a P5, too! And it's amazing the difference. Nothing cooler than some smug-ass in a european car thinks he's the s*** and gets his ass handed to him by a Mazda. I love it. Last night some guy was showing his girlfriend how cool his G35 coupe was right up until he came across my speed6. Needless to say he made a right turn at the next light after getting spanked.

What an awesome car we have.

 

[Karma_hunden]

yep.

 

[psi365]

Unless its an S4. I have WORKED more than one of those in my MS6. The look on the last guys face that tried showing what his was capable of was priceless... WTF?? is what he was thinking I'm sure. NOW that being said a newer S4 w/the V8 is something to be careful of... I haven't encountered one of these yet.

Same for M3's.... If it is a 99 or older M3, they don't stand a chance w/o some serious work.

The S4 biturbo is a lot of bang for the bucks. Problem is finding one that wasn't beaten into the ground. With a chip, and cat back exhaust they are good for 285hp at the wheels..........I've seen it when the car was being dynoed. It doesn't take much to make that car fast. If they do the full K04 conversion the S4 will spank the MS6 turn around and do it again. I've also been seeing the pre 99 M3's converted to turbo. When that happens its a totally different car.

The MS6's problem is the aftermarket isn't there. You can get a cat back exhaust, cold air intake, and an intercooler upgrade. Still no chip, or turbo upgrade.

 

[MS6S2K]

The MS6's problem is the aftermarket isn't there. You can get a cat back exhaust, cold air intake, and an intercooler upgrade. Still no chip, or turbo upgrade.

That's pretty much it. Even the Speed 6's closest rival, the Legacy GT, you simply add a simple plug and play Cobb AP tuner, and it will give you another 20+whp and torque, and it's lights out for the Speed 6. I can't imagine myself buying a car like this with a very slow developing aftermarket that will likely never catch up to the competion. It's one of those cars that I look at more like a daily driver, then something to build an enthusiast type racer out of. However, it would be nice if they made a Cobb tuner for this. I really miss having that on my previous car.

 

[Karma_hunden]

thats true. aftermarket for the msp6 is slow. havent seen much.

 

[psi365]

Aftermarket stuff is there to make up for what the manufacturers short comings. The LGT is light on hp so you chip it. SUspension is to spongy, put some sway bars on. You get the idea. I can understand certain cars having more of an aftermarket backing, but with the MS3 here or almost here and the MS6 being out for over a year its kind of like you're stuck with what you bought and if you want to upgrade it even a little you can't. What stuff you can upgrade everyone else has done the same thing to theirs so you can't be really original unless you spend big money on it.

 

[snooky]

Aftermarket stuff is there to make up for what the manufacturers short comings. The LGT is light on hp so you chip it. SUspension is to spongy, put some sway bars on. You get the idea. I can understand certain cars having more of an aftermarket backing, but with the MS3 here or almost here and the MS6 being out for over a year its kind of like you're stuck with what you bought and if you want to upgrade it even a little you can't. What stuff you can upgrade everyone else has done the same thing to theirs so you can't be really original unless you spend big money on it.

ya big bucks meaning custom fabrication, that really sucks, but im sure soon enough ther'll be stuff comming out

 

[psi365]

ya big bucks meaning custom fabrication, that really sucks, but im sure soon enough ther'll be stuff comming out

Sorry but if the MS6 has been out for over a year and still no turbo upgrade or chip its hard to see it ever coming out unless the MS3 is BIG hit. If the MS3 is a big hit then maybe by default some of the aftermarket stuff will filter back to the MS6. IF the MS3 flops then I would expect to not see much more aftermarket stuff coming out.

 

[Chris-BE]

Turbo upgrades, and engine tuning are coming. FMIC are available, more are coming.

The first retail turbo-back exhaust will be on the street in a week or two. I can't wait until mine comes.

Even with just a CAI, turbo-back exhaust, you will see +30/40hp. Add a boost controler to hold boost to redline you will have a very low 13 second car.

SEMA is going to pretty interesting, I understand there will be a few companies with new stuff for the Speed6.

 

[snooky]

Sorry but if the MS6 has been out for over a year and still no turbo upgrade or chip its hard to see it ever coming out unless the MS3 is BIG hit. If the MS3 is a big hit then maybe by default some of the aftermarket stuff will filter back to the MS6. IF the MS3 flops then I would expect to not see much more aftermarket stuff coming out.

i dont really want to do much aftermarket stuff to my car, all i want is a shorter shifter, a CAI, and a BOV... thats a bout it i love everything else

 

[Karma_hunden]

CAI+front mount intercooler= 13.3s. Add racing fuel= 13.3 for sure. Possibly 13.2/13.1. Add turbo-back exhaust=13.2 for sure, possibly 13.1/13.0.

Add 18/40R lighter wheels (the new carbon fiber seem pretty tight, specially on the white, silver and titanium colored msp6s)=13.1 for sure. possibly 13.0/12.9.

If they ever make a chip, then it should be high/mid 12s for the msp6 (with all the mods mentioned).

 

[CHICO2003]

I'm not sure I buy that. You really think a CAI and FMIC are going to trim nearly a second off the 1/4 time? HP/weight ratio is and always has been an important factor. Obviously things like gearing and drivetrain factor in but, since both the STi and MS6 are 6 speed awd cars, I think it's a fair comparrison. Obviously the STi has more power (about 25 more ponies) and is also lighter (by about 300lbs) Based on some quick math, you'd need to gain an extra 50hp in order to equal the hp/weight ratio of the STi. (which runs a 1/4 mile in 13.2... You really think a CAI and FMIC are going to add 50 hp??? Hey, I could be wrong but... if the CAI on my MSP is any indication, you'll be lucky to get an extra 5 out of that... (but it'll obviously sound a lot cooler) As for the FMIC, is the TMIC really that bad? Obviously Subaru's doin just fine with them...

I think adding a CAI, FMIC, lighter wheels, turboback exaust and... oh yeah.. racing fuel will most likely get you into STI territory. But why bother??? Except for the wheels (which I have to assume look better thatn the stocks... hell, ANYTHING would look better) spending all that dough on those upgrade would be one of the worst ways to spend one's hard earned money. I mean, if your intention is to buy this car and modify it to run 13 (or even mid 12s! haha dude... that's ferrari territory!) unless you're made of money and want to be the 1st MS6 owner to turn your monster into an even bigger monster... I say, don't waste your time or money! Instead, just buy a freakin LGT or STI. Both of those cars can be made to run these times far easier (and cheaper).

There's a reason cars like the MS6 don't have a ton of aftermarket support. It's all predicated on what the market dictates. The majority of the MS6 owners out there are more than satisfied with their cars in stock form. These are older types that considered more expensive (and stuffier) cars from the likes of Audi, Infinity, etc. Show me the business man who's intentionis to mod the hell out of his new A4 avant so that he can show those punks at the drag strip who's boss. These guys have better things to do with their lives! Though our board may not be a great indicator, these types represent the majority of the MS6 buyers. (look it up if you don't believe me)

Because the target market for the MS3 is younger (and more inclined to mod their cars) as one of the posters before mentioned... for any of your MS6 owners who represent the minority and want your cars to be even faster, the MS3 is really your only hope. If this car blows up the way I think it will... there will obviously be a ton of aftermarket support. A lot of which, I'm assuming, will transfer directly to the MS6.

Whether that happens or not though, I urge anyone who has a MS6 (especially those whose buying decision was partly based on price) to remind yourself why you got this car in the first place.