As high tech as DISI is, it is not the reason the Mazdaspeed3 has so much power and torque. Credit the Warner-Hitachi K04 turbo; the same unit found in the Mazdaspeed6. For a stock turbo, it has a lot of trick features, including a compressor stage supported by a full-floating, journal-bearing, water-cooled center section. Power balance is supported by a 79 trim 50mm turbine stage with an Inconel shaft-wheel mated to a 16.5mm A/R Niresist iron turbine housing. Maximum turbine speed is over 165,000rpm with a peak exhaust gas temperature in excess of 990 degrees Celsius
Warner-Hitachi K04 turbo Info for MS3&6
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TorqSpeed5252
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Here is BorgWarner's turbo website. There isn't really any super great info, but there are some nice pics. (burnout)
http://www.turbos.bwauto.com/info/sitemap.aspx
http://www.turbos.bwauto.com/info/sitemap.aspx
Hey guys, quick first post here... (shh, I'm at work)
I've been looking for some detailed specs on this turbo. At least I now know it's manufacturer and model designation!
Does anyone know turbine and compressor sizes, flange styles, etc etc? Or have a pic of how it's packaged on the engine? Long story short, I have a GT2560R just "laying around" and am wondering if I could package it into a MS3 (I have yet to buy the car). Figure a little bigger turbo couldn't hurt anything
Anyone know if this would be possible, given both physical limitations as well as ECU programming? I understand there have not been great strides taken in the engine management dept for MS3's.
Thanks for any help!!
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just browsed thru that link quickly, the K04 is rated to only 185 kW (<250hp)?? Is this the reason for the power drop off I've been reading about north of 5500rpm?
I've been looking for some detailed specs on this turbo. At least I now know it's manufacturer and model designation!
Does anyone know turbine and compressor sizes, flange styles, etc etc? Or have a pic of how it's packaged on the engine? Long story short, I have a GT2560R just "laying around" and am wondering if I could package it into a MS3 (I have yet to buy the car). Figure a little bigger turbo couldn't hurt anything
Anyone know if this would be possible, given both physical limitations as well as ECU programming? I understand there have not been great strides taken in the engine management dept for MS3's.
Thanks for any help!!
*edit*
just browsed thru that link quickly, the K04 is rated to only 185 kW (<250hp)?? Is this the reason for the power drop off I've been reading about north of 5500rpm?
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TorqSpeed5252
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I think that number is based on the Audi/VW 1.8L engine family as this is the same turbo found on those cars. Take 250 and divide by 1.8, then multiply the answer by 2.3, you get about 320 HP which is about what our cars max out at at the crank with CAI, TBE, and upgraded TMIC. (Based on dynos of about 280 WHP, take 280 and divide by .88 {roughly the drivetrain efficiency} and you get about 320. Hope that helps (and is correct).
Dont go to this websight
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0610sccp_2007_mazdaspeed_3
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0610sccp_2007_mazdaspeed_3
Hey guys, quick first post here... (shh, I'm at work)
I've been looking for some detailed specs on this turbo. At least I now know it's manufacturer and model designation!
Does anyone know turbine and compressor sizes, flange styles, etc etc? Or have a pic of how it's packaged on the engine? Long story short, I have a GT2560R just "laying around" and am wondering if I could package it into a MS3 (I have yet to buy the car). Figure a little bigger turbo couldn't hurt anything
Anyone know if this would be possible, given both physical limitations as well as ECU programming? I understand there have not been great strides taken in the engine management dept for MS3's.
Thanks for any help!!
*edit*
just browsed thru that link quickly, the K04 is rated to only 185 kW (<250hp)?? Is this the reason for the power drop off I've been reading about north of 5500rpm?
no reason to go big turbo unless you have the fuel to back it up.
the power shuts off after 5.8k because the throttle plate shuts (ecu controlled)
Agreed. I must admit I know very little about the fuel system for this car or if traditional injectors are even compatible. I have Bosch 42#ers from my turbo Focus build.
The throttle plate closes at 5800, are you kidding? I hadn't even heard that yet. What's redline? There's an awful lot electronic about this car.
Oh, and thanks for that pic cashmere. Hard to say for certain but it looks like it matches my old downpipe flange.
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Agreed. I must admit I know very little about the fuel system for this car or if traditional injectors are even compatible. I have Bosch 42#ers from my turbo Focus build.
The throttle plate closes at 5800, are you kidding? I hadn't even heard that yet. What's redline? There's an awful lot electronic about this car.
Oh, and thanks for that pic cashmere. Hard to say for certain but it looks like it matches my old downpipe flange.
actually, the discharge flange/DP flange (same thing) is mazda speed specific. Fits ko4 for the ms6/ms3. i have had a hell of a time finding that flange for my own custom TBE i am building tomorrow. i thought others would fit cause they "looked" like they would, but they were all several cm off sad to say.
The throttle plates shut to about 60% of WOT when you get about 5.8K. The whole reason i haven't gone with XEDE is because they can't control it. No purpose in buying an expensive tuning software if they can't even control the throttle plate.
CPE and Cobb are both coming out with software that will tune the throttle plate along with other mazdaspeed parameters. Both are about $300 cheaper then XEDE and do more.
The fuel issue with the ms3 is not the injectors, but the cam driven fuel pump. Alone (without meth/water) it maxes out at about 315 whp. So, a redesign of the stock pump is in the works.
TorqSpeed5252
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It very well may be a K04-025 or K04-026 which are used on 2.7L Audi engines. And considering that we MS3 owners use it to make over 300 HP without ECU mods I would say it works pretty darn good.
GREAT info! I love boards like this, where else can you get that kinda info
Thanks a lot man
mazdaspeed32007
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holy cow are you kidding???!!! if you can bypass the ecu fuel cut off our cars are capable of sustaining around 900 HP with the stock fuel system. chew on that one for a while. thats pretty sick eh?
Do you have any proof to back that up?
TorqSpeed5252
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HAHAHAHAHA!!! LMFAO!!! 900 HP!!! Sure, for about one second until you crack the head (excuse me, blow the friggin head right off the block) or bend a rod (excuse me, throw a rod right through the block)!!! That's got to be the funniest s*** I've heard to date on this board!!! (lol2) (2thumbs)
are you smoking crack dude ?
its not a matter of tuning out fuel cut.
the cam driven fuel pump DIES at 315whp. Its been tried/proven by CPE.
No one knows what the injectors or intank pump are good for just yet.
