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V6 for p5?!?!?!?
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it will fit right in my brother and i have looked at his mx6 engine bay and mine side by side a few times theres plenty of room in the protege's engine bay and the mounting points are basically the same its just the wiring from what i've heard that screws things up but yeah i'd like to know who's car that is that has the v6 in there my brother's ZE should be here in a few days so if this is doable for a reasonable amount it i just might put his usdm v6 in there...hmmmmm
3.0L SHO's were 5spds. 3.2L were automatics...3.4L were V8 automatcs... the SHO is a Duratec engine with heads, intake and ECU tuned by Yamaha. The engine blok is identical to all 3.0L enginesMikeBlueP5 said:I always thought the older SHO's had a 3.2 Yamaha engine, not a 3 liter duratec. The SHO 3.2 is bigger and different than the 3 liter, but you are correct the 2.5 and 3.0 are somewhat similar, the heads ( with slight work) will swap from the 3 liter to 2.5, ah i just ate my words, because the only 3.0 with DOHC would be in the SHO, and the other 3.0s are in the block cam iron. thats what i have in my ranger. But anyways the duratec i believe are iron block v6's because they started using them in the rangers in 95 or 96. I cant think of the name they gave the yamaha SHO engines.
I know the probe V6 fits in the protege. It's just an issue of the transmission mounting. I'd love to put a stroker V6 in the DX.
Thapro1 said:^ is the tranny the whole problem with that setup? or is it also the wiring?
iirc when my bro's car and mine were side by side it looked like all the mounting points were the same...can't really remember tho it was awhile ago
They should be exactly the same. You will have to get a V6 tranny to mate up though. The tranny from the FS and KL engines have entirly different bolt patters. For instance, the FS has the starter in the back while the KL has it in the front.
Wiring is also COMPLETLY different.
using a V6 (like the SHO) will bolt directly to the protege tranny but the pulley system will be laying into the frame rails. You'll either have to ut the frame rail or shorten the left axle and movet he mounts over 2.5" or so....
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well for starters you will need the whole underhood wiring harness. However, the Probe wiring harness that includes the fuse box runs through most of the front of the car and to the headlights and headlight motors. Since I know Proteges don't have headlight motors, some custom magic may need to be applied in many cases to get things to work.Thapro1 said:yeah thats what i figured.....ok so in short to make it work what would be needed....as far as the wiring goes? this is what has me stumped
To be on the safe side, I'd say everything under the dash, every engine bay wiring harness, but you may have to hard wire some things like the ignition acc. on and start positions as well as the Brake on/off switch as well as the clutch pedal position switch.
It's really hard to say though because I have no experience wiring anything in a Protege.
Thapro1 said:^ is the tranny the whole problem with that setup? or is it also the wiring?
iirc when my bro's car and mine were side by side it looked like all the mounting points were the same...can't really remember tho it was awhile ago
well, this applied to more of the milennia problem. The transmission mounts weren't identical so you'd have to fabricate something. That's really about it though. Aside from your basic fabrication for the axles. I knew someone who did this swap in a 1st gen, but unfortuantely it doesn't apply for us.
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It would be easier to use an MX6 harness I would think. It's probably a lot closer to the protege then the PGT is.
well, this applied to more of the milennia problem. The transmission mounts weren't identical so you'd have to fabricate something. That's really about it though. Aside from your basic fabrication for the axles. I knew someone who did this swap in a 1st gen, but unfortuantely it doesn't apply for us.
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oh ok ic....yeah i know the v6 basically bolts right in in 1st gen's and escort/tracers....actually thats what me and my bro are going to do after his ZE is put in the mx6...were going to sell his escort gt and get a wagon and put the usdm v6 in the wagon..lol
one other thing i was thinking of that might or might not be a problem was that our cars are distributorless and obd II while the mx6/pgt's have distributor's and are obd I
would this present a problem also.....wiring and engine's aren't my thing i know bodywork...lol
peace
dante
all of you are foolish 3rd gen drivers!!!
ok lemme break it down for you.
there is a certain silver 90-94 body style 323 that runs 10's. i cant find the page of it, but im sure some of you have seen it.
that car has a FS-de-T in it. fully built and turbo'd
now if you can put a FS into a BG chasis and you can put a KL in a BG chasis, wouldnt it make sense that could get a KL up and running in a 3rd gen?
and as far as "its not worth it, the fs is better"
you guys need to search around probe talk, because a klDE with a intake will beat a stock MSP, and a klZE will beat a modded msp.
and lets not talk about a S/C or T/C kl. there are a few ppl running around with 350 WHP.
the FS, in my opinion is hot crap, when compared with the Bp05 and the KL series.
its slow stock, its slow boosted, and it cant handle any amount of boost very well without upgrading the internals.
and i would love to know where you come off saying that it would be way to cramped.
have you ever seen a kl in a 1st gens engine bay???
my brother has a 02 DX and i have a escort GT. he has WAAAAy more room in his engine bay then the escort does, and they can fit a turbo and that engine in there.
ok lemme break it down for you.
there is a certain silver 90-94 body style 323 that runs 10's. i cant find the page of it, but im sure some of you have seen it.
that car has a FS-de-T in it. fully built and turbo'd
now if you can put a FS into a BG chasis and you can put a KL in a BG chasis, wouldnt it make sense that could get a KL up and running in a 3rd gen?
and as far as "its not worth it, the fs is better"
you guys need to search around probe talk, because a klDE with a intake will beat a stock MSP, and a klZE will beat a modded msp.
and lets not talk about a S/C or T/C kl. there are a few ppl running around with 350 WHP.
the FS, in my opinion is hot crap, when compared with the Bp05 and the KL series.
its slow stock, its slow boosted, and it cant handle any amount of boost very well without upgrading the internals.
and i would love to know where you come off saying that it would be way to cramped.
have you ever seen a kl in a 1st gens engine bay???
my brother has a 02 DX and i have a escort GT. he has WAAAAy more room in his engine bay then the escort does, and they can fit a turbo and that engine in there.
anarchistchiken said:It would be easier to use an MX6 harness I would think. It's probably a lot closer to the protege then the PGT is.
they are exactly the same (boom02)
Thapro1 said:oh ok ic....yeah i know the v6 basically bolts right in in 1st gen's and escort/tracers....actually thats what me and my bro are going to do after his ZE is put in the mx6...were going to sell his escort gt and get a wagon and put the usdm v6 in the wagon..lol
one other thing i was thinking of that might or might not be a problem was that our cars are distributorless and obd II while the mx6/pgt's have distributor's and are obd I
would this present a problem also.....wiring and engine's aren't my thing i know bodywork...lol
peace
dante
the V6 does not bolt right into the escort/protege/323
you need the motor mounts/axles/crossmember/shift linkage from a V6 MX3.
were just lucky that the MX3 is a BG and mazda happened to share the V6 block from the MX6 with the BG chasis like the protege/323/escort.
so there is a "carry over" car, the 3rd gens dont really have a car that ties the engine drivetrain from the MX6/PGT to the 3rd gen chasis, so it would be more custom.
but if can put a 350 small block into a 60's vw bug then im pretty sure you get a kl into a 3rd gen.
the mx6 does after all share the same FSDE as the 3rd gen.
and there are OBII PGTs/MX6s. 96 and up are all OBDII. i dont know if that has anything to do with the distributorless ignition, kuz im not a 3rd gen guy.
T4TURBO said:you need the motor mounts/axles/crossmember/shift linkage from a V6 MX3.
and there are OBII PGTs/MX6s. 96 and up are all OBDII. i dont know if that has anything to do with the distributorless ignition, kuz im not a 3rd gen guy.
I don't see why the protege linkages wouldn't fit. The FS02 out of the Probes and the FSDE out of the Proteges have essentially the same manual tranny, and since the KL tranny and FS tranny have exactly the same length linkage, I don't see why it wouldn't work.
If you are planning to put in a KL engine, make sure it has a distributor. The ones that don't are out of Millenias and are "fake ZEs." All Probe KL engines and ZEs have distributors.
don't see why the protege linkages wouldn't fit. The FS02 out of the Probes and the FSDE out of the Proteges have essentially the same manual tranny, and since the KL tranny and FS tranny have exactly the same length linkage, I don't see why it wouldn't work.
he's talking about a 1st gen protege
i kno it doesn't bolt right in i just didn't feel like explaing what all you need to fit it in a 1st gen as thats not relavent in this case......the V6 does not bolt right into the escort/protege/323
you need the motor mounts/axles/crossmember/shift linkage from a V6 MX3.
[/QUOTE]all of you are foolish 3rd gen drivers!!!
ok lemme break it down for you.
don't get smart nigga...lol
Thapro1 said:he's talking about a 1st gen protege
exactly.
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