Turboed MP5's rule
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Well I nevered dyno'd my car while I was still N/A but I imagine I was around 105 whp and now I'm at 188. Honestly the car drives about the same under normal driving conditions (shifting at 3k RPM ad not really pushing it) but as soon as you really get on it above 3000 RPM or so it really takes off. It still manages to surprise me everytime.
Matthew1785
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Kansei said:
POW! RIGHT IN THE KISSER!
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Fasta76 said:
Magnum and Kansei are using MSP setups and Matthew is using the old Spool setup. Mine will be Hiboosted when my stupid parts get here!!!(yes)
Edit: Oh, and I believe Bumpin' is using an MSP setup as well.
which is the "cheaper" way to go??? MSP setup, Hiboost or the one Matthew has??
I notice the budget hiboost kit without EMS and BOV on protegegarage costs 2500, which is tempting, cos used BOV is everywhere. I know mathew's and bumpin' p5 r auto...wut ems r you guys using?? i hv an auto as well....will the stock p5 one work? Also, wut else do i need to run with the kit in order to run it safely?
I notice the budget hiboost kit without EMS and BOV on protegegarage costs 2500, which is tempting, cos used BOV is everywhere. I know mathew's and bumpin' p5 r auto...wut ems r you guys using?? i hv an auto as well....will the stock p5 one work? Also, wut else do i need to run with the kit in order to run it safely?
Matthew1785
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vicham said:
The kit i have is no longer made because the company is out of business.
vicham said:
no, no, the stock P5 one will definitely ont work. the timing is too advanced, no fuel cut, etc. I'm using the stock MSP ECU (can be purchased from protegegarage.com for 250-350).. it'll get you up and running on a low boost setup, but by no means decent.
I'd definitely, definitely buy the hiboost budget kit and a nice haltech for fuel/timing control (another 1400ish dollars), and of course a blow off valve.
It's really not fun working with used parts, which you pretty much have to do with the MSP turbo setup. Actually.. now that there are two MSP-replacement manifolds available, you can go that route and call it a day.
manifold - 500
turbo (used GT25R) - 350
corksport downpipe - 350
... ugh there's just so many parts it makes me sick inside
the hiboost full (non-budget) kit is nice because you get pretty much everything you need to get up and running. just buy a new clutch, a wideband O2 sensor, a boost gauge, an oil pressure gauge, and some OEM gaskets (exhaust manifold gasket, probably a few others too).. and you're good to go.
It's a huge project no matter how you slice it though. Be ready to have your car non-operational for a month. If you can't live without a working car for that long, factor in rental car costs or if you don't live in the cold snowy north, ride a bike
it's a lot of fun, I'm glad I did it all myself if only for the learning experience.
Any psi helps. you could run 1 psi and it would improve your performance. Hell just having the turbo on the car and not even boosting helps performance. I have noticed a big change in the way the car runs when not even boosting. The car doesn't have to work for air anymore, its kinda pushed in there even when not boosting.Dim said:
Matthew1785
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Fasta76 said:
... no it takes a good long time to get ship it its all custom
Fasta76 said:
absolutely not. I gave myself a two week window to transform my car from naturally aspirated to boosted, but since I didn't have a "kit", the whole first week was spent measuring things and placing rush overnight shipped orders of various fittings, oil lines, etc from Summit Racing, plus taking off my oil pan to get a fitting welded on.
I said a month because lots of people have jobs or other responsibilities and crap they have to do, and plus things can always go horribly wrong an delay you. If you're like me and are in college with only one car, and do it during your two week winter break while also taking those two weeks off from work, you can easily get the install done working totally by yourself in just a week.
You guys are nuts! I plan and having mine done in a day, 2 max!!!
With the msp parts you have no excuse for takign that long, you know everything fits. The oil pan can be done ahead of time and a plug placed in the hole until its needed. Manifold/turbo assembly only taks a few min to bolt up.
Providing you have ALL the parts you need and start early on a saturday morning with one friend that knows at least as much as you do (providing you know what your doing) i dont see it taking vey long.
Hell i helped swaped a full msp protege into a dx shell in less then a week only workig a few hours a night with no power tools! and that included windshields and all! full strip and swap right done to bare frame.
With the msp parts you have no excuse for takign that long, you know everything fits. The oil pan can be done ahead of time and a plug placed in the hole until its needed. Manifold/turbo assembly only taks a few min to bolt up.
Providing you have ALL the parts you need and start early on a saturday morning with one friend that knows at least as much as you do (providing you know what your doing) i dont see it taking vey long.
Hell i helped swaped a full msp protege into a dx shell in less then a week only workig a few hours a night with no power tools! and that included windshields and all! full strip and swap right done to bare frame.
Yeah, could have done the oil pan ahead of time, but I'd need to drain the oil a couple times instead of once to do it that way.. no thanks.
Plus, all that is MSP about my setup is manifold and turbo, corksport downpipe, and the hardlines for the coolant (and the silicone coolant elblow). the oil lines, coolant return line, vtcs removal, getting to the oil supply, wiring up 4 gauges, installing the FMIC and getting it to sit properly, relocating radiator fans, installing my MSP pedals (I did it during my turbo install to take a break and do something easy). Plus I had to fabricate an intake.. I wasn't about to purchase a stock MSP intake, nor was I willing to spend 300 dollars on some little piece of piping with an injen sticker on it.
Oh and I also changed my timing belt, took off my underdrive pulley, changed my other belts, painted my intake manifold flat black, installed the msp engine cover + brackets, removed the radiator to give more room during the install, installed the clutch (pulled the tranny.. and battery, strut tower brace, tons of wiring, etc), installed new radiator hoses, pulled the bumper (for fmic install and to prevent scuffing it up), installed a new ecu, and I'm sure quite a few other things that I'm forgetting at this time.. all working by myself.
don't try to tell me I could have done all that in a day haha. I wish! Working on the car and realize you need a special bolt for something on the downpipe? oh wait, it's a Sunday, the fastener shop isn't open on the weekend.. crap like that wastes time. I didn't anticipate breaking bolts, gaskets not fitting, needing a 45deg oil fitting instead of a straight one, etc.
The thing is, I gave my time estimate not making all sorts of assumptions like you did.. don't assume everyone knows what they are doing, for 90% of us this is our first turbo car and first turbo installation. Yeah, I have friends that know a lot about cars, but none who would even attempt this sort of thing. Plus, those friends are 6+ hours away back home while I was sitting in my cold garage bay at college with a little propane heater doing this.
Congrats, you have experience, so it'll take you a lot less time. When all you've done in the past is electrical, bolt-on, or little things like cams and junk, the turbo install is a totally different magnitude.
Plus, all that is MSP about my setup is manifold and turbo, corksport downpipe, and the hardlines for the coolant (and the silicone coolant elblow). the oil lines, coolant return line, vtcs removal, getting to the oil supply, wiring up 4 gauges, installing the FMIC and getting it to sit properly, relocating radiator fans, installing my MSP pedals (I did it during my turbo install to take a break and do something easy). Plus I had to fabricate an intake.. I wasn't about to purchase a stock MSP intake, nor was I willing to spend 300 dollars on some little piece of piping with an injen sticker on it.
Oh and I also changed my timing belt, took off my underdrive pulley, changed my other belts, painted my intake manifold flat black, installed the msp engine cover + brackets, removed the radiator to give more room during the install, installed the clutch (pulled the tranny.. and battery, strut tower brace, tons of wiring, etc), installed new radiator hoses, pulled the bumper (for fmic install and to prevent scuffing it up), installed a new ecu, and I'm sure quite a few other things that I'm forgetting at this time.. all working by myself.
don't try to tell me I could have done all that in a day haha. I wish! Working on the car and realize you need a special bolt for something on the downpipe? oh wait, it's a Sunday, the fastener shop isn't open on the weekend.. crap like that wastes time. I didn't anticipate breaking bolts, gaskets not fitting, needing a 45deg oil fitting instead of a straight one, etc.
The thing is, I gave my time estimate not making all sorts of assumptions like you did.. don't assume everyone knows what they are doing, for 90% of us this is our first turbo car and first turbo installation. Yeah, I have friends that know a lot about cars, but none who would even attempt this sort of thing. Plus, those friends are 6+ hours away back home while I was sitting in my cold garage bay at college with a little propane heater doing this.
Congrats, you have experience, so it'll take you a lot less time. When all you've done in the past is electrical, bolt-on, or little things like cams and junk, the turbo install is a totally different magnitude.
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^^LOL, you had a propane heater? N n n n not m m me.^^
Also, having someone to help you makes all the difference in the world. Oh, and if you live in the rust belt, some of the hardest things to do are to free rusty nuts. That consumes a bit of time. And hardware store runs are inevitable.
Also, having someone to help you makes all the difference in the world. Oh, and if you live in the rust belt, some of the hardest things to do are to free rusty nuts. That consumes a bit of time. And hardware store runs are inevitable.
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- 2003 Mazda Proteg5, soon to be Turbo
I really hope mine goes well... But knowing my luck, it wont be any better than khaosman's build has been going.
It sucks that I couldnt get it done now during my spring break, but at least I have more time to get the stuff ready.
Good luck to all turboed P5s... Everyone will envy you forever...
It sucks that I couldnt get it done now during my spring break, but at least I have more time to get the stuff ready.
Good luck to all turboed P5s... Everyone will envy you forever...
You'd be surprised. I am running the exact setup you describe and it took me three (3) 8-10 hr nights to finish mine not counting the extra 2 days making sure everything was working right. For me it wasn't the hardwire install that took the longest - it was the electrical stuff for the fans, etc. and also getting all the old stuff off. My stock P5 exhaust manifold wouldn't budge for 2 hours! My personal means of determining how long a project takes consists of multiplying how I think it will take by 2...ho bag said:
I wasnt trying to say that you guys dont know what your doing or anything. I was just saying it can be done alot faster, Ive done similar projects and doen them in a day or 2. Yes things liek guages can be done before hand, as well as oil cooler and vtcs.
Let me refrase what i said before....
You can do it with no more then 1 day downtime. Guages/fans/oil feed and drain, stuff like that can all be done ahead of time to make the acutaly fitment of the turbo a 1 day and its running thing.
Ill be sure to time mine when i do it just to se ehow long it takes me. I know that the time it takes me to strip a 91 talon tsi awd motor from hot and running to bare block and on the floor with a friend is 23 minutes...
Let me refrase what i said before....
You can do it with no more then 1 day downtime. Guages/fans/oil feed and drain, stuff like that can all be done ahead of time to make the acutaly fitment of the turbo a 1 day and its running thing.
Ill be sure to time mine when i do it just to se ehow long it takes me. I know that the time it takes me to strip a 91 talon tsi awd motor from hot and running to bare block and on the floor with a friend is 23 minutes...
