Turbo question?

[mikesmazda155]

I saw on this website a while back that the same turbo system that fits a Ford Probe is the same turbo system that fits an MP3 right?

Also I was talking to a friend of mine and he informed me that the same turbo that is in a Eclipse GS-T will also fit an MP3, is this true. If so what kind of manifolds would go with this application?

 

[chdesign]

Any turbo will fit on any car with enough time and money. I'm using the same turbo from a 2nd gen eclipse I just have T28 wheels now...hehehe....but i do have a custom header and all custom piping. There is only one turbo "kit" out there and that is TKT but his work is questionable. I'm working on making my setup into a kit but cost restrainsts are holding me back. Good luck though in your quest for boost!

 

[mikesmazda155]

Any turbo will fit on any car with enough time and money. I'm using the same turbo from a 2nd gen eclipse I just have T28 wheels now...hehehe....but i do have a custom header and all custom piping. There is only one turbo "kit" out there and that is TKT but his work is questionable. I'm working on making my setup into a kit but cost restrainsts are holding me back. Good luck though in your quest for boost!

How much boost are you running, and I think I was told that 7 to 8 psi would be safe? But would that be safe on long trips without an intercooler? What do you have to do to get more fuel to the engine? I was told that you could hook a boost control up to the mass air flow sensor to fool your computer, is this true? Did you retard your timing if so how? Sorry I have so many questions, I am ready to get the turbo on.

 

[chdesign]

I am running 5 PSI non-intercooled. 7-8 shoudl be safe but no one has had a turbo on the FS engine long enough to find out. It should hold very well though. My 5 PSI runs well and I have taken it on a 2 hours drive so far and it did fine. For fuel you can do one of 3 things...1 get amn FMU (easiest and cheapest) raises the fuel pressure referencing boost 2. get an additional injector controller and put 2 more injectors on your car inline with the charge piping befor ethe throttle body or 3. go larger injectors and a stand alone ECU your talkin money here. For a low boost 5-8 PSI system a FMU will work fine with all these setups though you have to put an inline pump in like the MSD pump or the Vortec T-Rex. I have not retared my timing at all since the idle timing is the same since no boost is seen at idle and yes the knock sensor will retard the timing quick enough for the boost. I am going to go with a MSD Programmable DIS-2 system though in a couple months as it has timing curves you can program into it and it will reference timign to boost as well sort-of like the MSD boost retard except this has alot more adjustment as you actually connect it to your computer and tune your ignition there. Hope that helps you out! WHERE IS OUR FORCED INDUCTION FORUM!!!! me and Spoolin could moderate!!

 

[mikesmazda155]

I am running 5 PSI non-intercooled. 7-8 shoudl be safe but no one has had a turbo on the FS engine long enough to find out. It should hold very well though. My 5 PSI runs well and I have taken it on a 2 hours drive so far and it did fine. For fuel you can do one of 3 things...1 get amn FMU (easiest and cheapest) raises the fuel pressure referencing boost 2. get an additional injector controller and put 2 more injectors on your car inline with the charge piping befor ethe throttle body or 3. go larger injectors and a stand alone ECU your talkin money here. For a low boost 5-8 PSI system a FMU will work fine with all these setups though you have to put an inline pump in like the MSD pump or the Vortec T-Rex. I have not retared my timing at all since the idle timing is the same since no boost is seen at idle and yes the knock sensor will retard the timing quick enough for the boost. I am going to go with a MSD Programmable DIS-2 system though in a couple months as it has timing curves you can program into it and it will reference timign to boost as well sort-of like the MSD boost retard except this has alot more adjustment as you actually connect it to your computer and tune your ignition there. Hope that helps you out! WHERE IS OUR FORCED INDUCTION FORUM!!!! me and Spoolin could moderate!!

Thanks

 

[mikesmazda155]

I am running 5 PSI non-intercooled. 7-8 shoudl be safe but no one has had a turbo on the FS engine long enough to find out. It should hold very well though. My 5 PSI runs well and I have taken it on a 2 hours drive so far and it did fine. For fuel you can do one of 3 things...1 get amn FMU (easiest and cheapest) raises the fuel pressure referencing boost 2. get an additional injector controller and put 2 more injectors on your car inline with the charge piping befor ethe throttle body or 3. go larger injectors and a stand alone ECU your talkin money here. For a low boost 5-8 PSI system a FMU will work fine with all these setups though you have to put an inline pump in like the MSD pump or the Vortec T-Rex. I have not retared my timing at all since the idle timing is the same since no boost is seen at idle and yes the knock sensor will retard the timing quick enough for the boost. I am going to go with a MSD Programmable DIS-2 system though in a couple months as it has timing curves you can program into it and it will reference timign to boost as well sort-of like the MSD boost retard except this has alot more adjustment as you actually connect it to your computer and tune your ignition there. Hope that helps you out! WHERE IS OUR FORCED INDUCTION FORUM!!!! me and Spoolin could moderate!!

I just got off the phone with my turbo guy and I think that I am going with the T-28 with super 60 housing with wastegate for $595.00 Is that a good deal? He also is going to try and find a manifold for the car, if not I will do like you and head to the machine shop. How much did it cost to get your manifold made?

 

[chdesign]

I made my manifold. I am having to make a new one though as my first one cracked. If he does make you one get it made from 321 stainless. If you make a log style header use Schedule 40 fittings as it is pretty thick. It is heavier but will never crack. That is a great price for a T28 i woudl be skeptical myself as i have never seen one that low. The cheapest one I have found is close to 900 new. Plus the super 60 wheels are for the T3 turbos....sounds like either A he is blowing smoke up your ass or he doesn't know what he is doing.

 

[melicha8]

Hey CH our cars cunction on a no-returnable fuel system. how can getting a more powerful pump make a difference? I'm jsut wondering because I'm just exploring the tip of the iceberg that is FI. Thanks

Andrew

 

[chdesign]

OK disregard what you have read about the protege not haveing a return fuel line IT DOES!!!!!!! I've gone over this before it just urks me ya know? Anyways check your vacuum routing chart it shoudl be on teh top of your hood. You will find your Fuel Pressure regulator on your fuel line and when you find it you will find the Return fuel line. I am using an FMU and inline pump on my setup so no one can say it can't be done! Because it most certianly can.

 

[kep0ne]

i think the 00's have a return line...01s and up do not...i read this somewhere...will search for it and post again later.

 

[spoolinmp3(2)]

Damn thats a great deal for a t28, If its good I would jump all over it. I am working very hard on mass producing turbo kits at a very reasonable price. Currently workin on the website and fabrication issues but I will keep everyone posted!
P.S. CHDESIGN thats a good idea about a forced induction forum we should suggest it!
oh and check out the car meets section when u get a chance!

 

[chdesign]

The 01's and up do too I am putting my kit on my friends P5 and the fuel system is the same. OH yeah if it is a true T28 for that cheap get it very good turbo....could kick a t3's butt easily.

 

[mikesmazda155]

I am not really sure about this, but I will see what I can do for people that want a turbo for a good price. Let me see how mine goes first. My friend can get them for a good price, he owes me a favor, that is why I am getting mine so cheap. I maybe can get them for 695.00 + shipping and handling. I don't want to get any hopes up. This is just a turbo, not the whole kit.



Also CHdesign we were talking about manifolds earlier, does either of your manifolds, meaning the broken one or the new one you are getting made look like the one on the MP3 Tech expert sites. The same way that Spoolin's looks?

 

[chdesign]

My design is not like Spoolings. Due to the space constraints and where i decided to position the turbo it is a log manifold style. Spoolin's does flow better if it is an equal length i'm not sure if it is or not but i do know for a fact aht an unequal length and a log style have the same flow characteristics. I will try to get pics of just my manifold up once i complete the new one...I can tell you that I am making the new one from 3/8" flanges and Schedual 40 Weld-els. These weld-els are the same type that are used in alot of road race apps. They hold heat well and never crack so I will be pretty confident of this new design.