Tri-Point Engineering 1st Turbo Complete

[Mp3P0]

Hi everyone,

As some of you already know, my car was left with Tripoint for a few weeks for them to develop their turbo.

Well, I got my car back last night and I must say I'm amazed. I haven't had a chance to time it or anything, but I can easily hit 60 mph in a matter of seconds while still in third gear. I got a basic run-down from Mark, the engineer @ Tripoint & he said when he first dyno'd the car, it showed at about 98 hp at the wheels. After the turbo was installed, the dyno shows being 168 at the wheels (i think, need to double check, but it was a 160+ figure) - boosting at 8psi. I'm not a huge car-guru, so I can't exactly verify what he said, but from looking at the papers & his explanation, that's what it shows. He said that a conservative to fair estimate would range the car at around 210hp.

Anyhow, I have to say I am really impressed. The car has that little "jump" in 1st gear because of all the power. The only thing is that I had the clutch & the flywheel swapped out just to make everything kosher. I figure, no point in doing it halfway.

That's about all I have for now is my experience on driving it for half a day. As soon as I get some official info from Tripoint that I can put up here, I'll get scans up. I'm also trying to find some time to get pics of the engine & I'll throw them up as well. Tripoint took a lot of pics & as soon as they get a hold of their Webmaster, they'll go up on their site. I'm sure they'll be able to give you some hard info & specs. Or just give them a call @ 818-348-5385. You can ask for Mark or Craig. You'll probably have an easier time of getting a hold of Mark, I think, tho. Honestly, you'll probably get better info from them than me since I'm not proficient under the hood.

The current ETA is about 1 month until "mass-production" availability...give or take a bit.

Zoom, zoom, indeed.

Tony

 

[macklum]

Sounds great ,any talk of pricing?

 

[Syzygy]

...drip...drip...drip...

[Sound of Syz drooling...]

 

[mp3rican007]

98hp @ wheels thats insane. My MP3 stock with nothing put 114hp @ wheels and 119lbs torque @ wheel. YOu better check with them that number seems way off. What kind of dyno do they use. I tested mine on a dynojet, if they used a mustang dyno than the results would be less. But if they used a dynojet that turbo kit is just not worth it. At 8 lbs boost you should easily gain anywhere from 75 to 88 hp. You should realistically push close to 200hp to the wheels. For 70hp Id get a zex kit and push 55 shot and save 2500+ dollars. Also what type of turbo are they using and is it intercooled.
Omar
Kissimmee, FL.
Turbo MP3 by end of Summer, shooting for 250@wheels on built motor.

 

[Jester999]

So acording to tripoint we're talking a 70 hp increase? Thats preatty sweet! Dont look at teh ending dyno cause if they claim it started with 98 and got it to 168, thats a really nice jump. And with the drivetrain loss, id be all about getting one. Prolly chillin a good deal about 200 at the crank. How much? and is it a kit? is all i want to know. haha congrats man. your lucky!

 

[70]

I'd be interested in what dyno they used as well. It sounds like there is an issue with your car if they dyno'ed it at 98 on the wheels. That's a 15 hp difference from the stock figures I've seen in GRM...

And that would mean one huge drivetrain loss.

 

[LzrBluMP3_427]

wow, this is great news. Where exactly is tripoint located?

 

[CharlieP5]

I also thought...

I also thought it would produce more power than 70 horsepower!
Oh well I guess you could tune and tweak it a little to get more gains. I'm pretty sure they are trying to make this kit as conservative as possible so the customers that buy these kits do not have to be turbo tuning experts.
There has to be alot of room for improvement.
Too bad at 8psi you reached the top boost for our engines to function reliably.

Now all we need is somebody to produce some forged internal parts for our cars....he he

 

[JcsMP3]

My stock dyno is at 107 Whp 119 ft lbs... with the intake it brought it up to 113 Whp and 122 ft lbs of torque. It was done on a dyno jet.

So I dunno where is 98 Whp comes from... but I know that the Focus has a 10% difference on most of their cars... som eguy had 15 Whp stock and some 96... same car no mods... I dunno if the same applies to ours or not....

About that zex comment... typical "i wanted HP yesterday" comment ... the guy wants reliability and not push of a button power... he can go the track run low 15's all day.... and you have to re fill your bottle after a few runs... that's where the difference comes in. Go get your zex kit save $2500 but in a year from now I would love to see your NOS receipts..... and it's legal... yours isn't....


Good job on the Turbo, now let us see some pics, I want to drool over it.. LOL got to love boost....

Jc

 

[JcsMP3]

Zoom Zoom PSSSSHHHHHH!!!!

I want that in my sig.... LOL

Jc

 

[big_ben]

For all of you thinking N2O

This is for everyone thinking of using nitrous. Have any of you noticed that everyone that has been using nitrous that they aren't talking about it anymore. Do you ask why? I won't say any names because I don't want to get them in trouble with their dealer, but every one of them have blown engines or melted pistons. So before you think about using nitrous, ask yourself if you want to replace your engine within the next year.

 

[LinuxRacr]

I always liked:

"Do you feel lucky punk? Well do ya?"

 

[cfbjr]

I just talked to Mark today at tripoint (getting some Hawk brake pads and a K&N filter). He took the chance to let me know about their turbo they just got done putting together on the MP3. He said about 215hp (I didn't ask if that was wheel or crank). He also told me the price of the kit with intercooler, manifold, fuel management and some kind of set up with extra injectors(?) was going to be $3800. He noted that the car is like a "rocket" with the turbo on it. I believe him, they run those world challenge cars, they know what fast is.
BTW, I've never ordered anything from them before but they seem to have really good service, he is shipping the items out today.

 

[JcsMP3]

Turbo Pricing....

Ok a shop here in Toronto Canada. A spec has given me a few quotes for our cars.

A turbo set up that will increase by 50 Whp from stock is $3000 Cdn.

A turbo set up that will increase it by 75 Whp from stock is $6000 Cdn

That's everything included. I will lose the car for 1 week. They also are the makers of a 590 RWhp RX-7.... They specialize only in Mazda.. and will not deal with anythign else.

These guys are guaranteeing those increases with dyno sheets... and I can be at the dyno runs myself.

Jc


$3000 Cdn is $1913.27 US

$6000 Cdn is $3825.31 US

 

[macklum]

I have delt with A-spec in the past ,No problems however the turbo they would would be a one of.Tri-Points from what I understand will be a complete kit. all the same Therefore easier to get parts and up grades
I also talked to Mark last night ,While the engine only produces 170 hp at the wheels there is the potential for more . Right now the kit boosts to 8psi then rolls off to 5psi until they have a chance to assess Tony's car
Mack also said it would be wise to upgrade the clutch as the stock one is only good for maybe 140 hp then it starts to slip .
I feel that with this much extra power taht it would also be wise to change the motor mounts to the Mazda motorsports units
To the Canadians ,6 grand for a complete kit that you can install yourself is not a bad price .This is our biggest draw back in getting parts for our rides.THE EXCHANGE RATE SUCKS

 

[NC_MP3]

Tripoint has excellent customer service. Mark and Craig both are great guys. That price is a little much, but not too bad considering there aren't many MP3's so the market is just not there. Even with the 01 Protege's and P5's. I will have to see final specs and pics.

 

[Kooldino]

$3800 just for the PARTS? How much for the install?

And yes, that guy is on crack. 98whp is at least 10whp off. Unless you have an especially slow mp3. Get your car dyno'ed somewhere else to confirm this.

Now go to the track and run that badboy! JC says you can run low 15's all day long, but even if you did that would be weak. You should AT LEAST be running high 14's with that kind of power.

 

[NorCal_MP3]

Am I the only one that is willing to be cheap and spend like maybe $2,000 on a system that might only put out like 5 psi and net us like 30rwhp?

Is there a way to get that much more power without fuel management and extra injectors?

Am I the only one who would be happy with a 170HP MP3?

The least I have to do to my car the better.

But if I have to go the whole route, I would rather just do the Header, Exhaust, Cams route.

 

[chdesign]

I run 15's on 5 psi non-intercooled. I shoudl pull the smae numbers on my setup as the HKS protege once I put my intercooler on and bump the boost. They pulled 175 whp and 225 ft lbs of torque.

 

[APEXistud]

Am I the only one that is willing to be cheap and spend like maybe $2,000 on a system that might only put out like 5 psi and net us like 30rwhp?

Is there a way to get that much more power without fuel management and extra injectors?

Am I the only one who would be happy with a 170HP MP3?

The least I have to do to my car the better.

But if I have to go the whole route, I would rather just do the Header, Exhaust, Cams route.

You can take that route and get passed up by all the people who spent the money on the turbo kit. I'm gonna say it like this guys........If you're worried about spending money then don't turbo your MP3 or P5. Forced induction isn't for the people who like to save money. If you decide to go turbo, you will probably end up spending a bit of money. I believe Spoolin and chdesign would agree with me on this one. Sure you can spend $2000 or less on a custom kit. But you should still expect the total price of things including drivetrain upgrades, guages, installation and all that to crack the $5000 barrier. You can low buck a turbo kit, but be ready for something to go wrong as things with turbo usually do sometimes.

I think we all want forced induction, but none of you are willing to spend the money. If we don't show interest in kits once they are developed, it will definately keep companies from showing their interest in developing more products for the car. Let's say a company spends a lot of time/money doing R&D and fabrication on a car. Then when they release the kit, no one buys it. Then the other companies see that a lot of people asked for something to be developed for their cars only to have a few of those people buy the product once it's been finalized and released. That's kind of a slap in the face to the company that just spent all that time. It also shows the other companies that they'd possibly be wasting their time doing R&D for that car.