Tri-Point Engineering 1st Turbo Complete

[JcsMP3]

I have delt with A-spec in the past ,No problems however the turbo they would would be a one of.Tri-Points from what I understand will be a complete kit. all the same Therefore easier to get parts and up grades

They have already built two Turbo mp3's and one turbo P5. They will not tell me their numbers but he says he guarantees it and the dyno sheets will be provided. They probably have the design already for the turbo so the down time will be that much less then the first or second mp3 they have done. One of them has the $3000 upgrade and the other has the $6000 upgrade.

Those are not bad prices considering someone else is doing the install and is guaranteeing you those increases.

Jc

 

[cfbjr]

They guarantee numbers they won't tell you? How does that work?

Apexi hit the nail on the head. The additional stress on the engine and all the peripheral parts also either makes it a requirement to upgrade those peripheral parts or be ready to replace them when they wear out faster. Basically, turbo costs money, more money than just the turbo kit. I don't think there's any "cheap" way to do turbo.
If you owned your own business and that business was your main source of income would you be willing to do even 10 hours of work for free? Maybe you would if you thought that this work was going to pay off in a big way later, but you're taking a huge risk that it won't. And the mortgage company is not going to hold off on sending you their bill. These companies spend many more than 10 hours developing their products on top of the overhead of a shop and tools and materials. They have to sell a certain amount at a certain price to break even on the investment they've made in the product and hopefully make a living on top of that. Something tells me that Tri-Point is not swimming in cash and that they're not going to get rich from their protege turbo kit. This is especially true for the relatively small market of 2.0L protege owners who would be willing to do put a turbo on their car. Think about it, is $3800 really that high a price for the amount of money that has to be spent to bring that product to market and to then only sell a few of them? If it doesn't work out once they won't make the same mistake again.

 

[cfbjr]

BTW I'll qualify my statements above by saying that I am not going to buy the kit myself because I want to keep my warranty valid for a while longer and, while it would be really nice and fun, I don't feel I need more HP right now to enjoy driving my car. I thought it was fast enough when I test drove it. And I have other things to spend that kind of money on (a Spec Miata race car) first.
I just remember all of the clamoring for a turbo kit and the complaints that there was no aftermarket support for our cars when this board was still young. Now it's here and everyone complains that it's to expensive.
Don't get me wrong, I value a deal as much as the next guy but I'm realistic about what new, specialty products should cost.

 

[spoolinmp3]

As you all know I am selling my manifolds, and working on a few as we speak. I thought about mass producing a full intercooled and ecu managed system......but thats a lot of capital, and honestly I dont think the community(mp3&p5) can warrant such a turbo kit. Thats why I stuck with doing manifolds and starter kits.

My opinion on the this new kit is this:
3800 beans is a damn good price and tripoint is a respectable company. I mean really what did you guys expect pay $2000.00??
thats crazy! Turbo sytems are not cheap, just look at a honda kit, they run about 3.5-4grand and you guys are complaining??
I agree with apexistud. You are not just going to spend 3800 dollars on a kit....how bout the exhaust? new clutch? egt and boost gauges? blah blah blah???
What I am trying to say here is that turbos cost money, take it from me, expect to pay 5000 dollars for a system. Now that I got that off my chest, Now ask me do I think the 5000 is worth it? Hells ya baby!!
Trust me guys the initial investment is a real killer, but if you have the patience to save that chunk of change up you will be happy
A good friend of mine has a pro5 and he is extremely impulsive. I tried telling him not to waste his money on parts here and there and epect huge hp gains. But he refused to listen and spent a lot of money on mods that dont make that big of a difference. Now he just bought a manifold and is piecing a custom turbo system. If you are happy with your MP3's power output and just want to pep it up then go ahaid and buy bolt ons. But if you are longing for speed and high horsepower, theres only one way to realisticly and feasibly do it........TURBO BABY

 

[big_ben]

I've gotta agree also. So far, my turbo project has cost about $1100. By the time it's installed, it should be somewhere around $1300. But that's not including the future upgrades I'll get. I'm not putting a clutch on right now because the one I have is still good. Yeah, it might slip a little with the turbo, but it will most likley be just a small amount. It won't harm the transmision. Clutches are made to wear out so that your transmision won't. As for the exhaust, I'm keeping that stock for right now also. I won't get as much power from the turbo because of it, but that's ok. I'll know that that extra hp is there in the waiting. But I have decided to go ahead and use an intercooler. I'm paranoid about detonation.

Also, here is a question about our advanced timimg. Is this bad for a turboed engine. I have no idea about anything to do with timing. Give me your input if any of you know.

 

[spoolinmp3]

The ignition advance on the MP3 is somewhat of an issue. Best thing to do is retard your timing with an ignition retard unit. There are several ways you can do this. You can buy a J&S knock controller. This retails for about 600 dollars. You can leave the stock ignition as it is with the boost and this unit will retard timing via a knock control sensor and reatrd the ignition per cylnder when needed!!!! So no worries about a hot day, bad tank of gas ect. Another unit is from MSD, this is basically a programmable ignition unit that allows you to programm your own ignition curves for tubo applications. And....I am not sure about this......can use an apexi ITC ignition controller(250 approx) to custom set your ignition timing through out the whole rpm band

 

[NorCal_MP3]

Whoa!

I knew that a $2000 turbo system wasn't realistic.
Except that Greddy makes a Turbo kit for early 90's Civic EX that is like $2000. IT has only a handful of parts and is easy to install.
Sure it is low boost and not intercooled, but I am not looking to race.
My wife drives it mostly.
I guess I will wait and just do a Header and maybe Cams.
I love speed, but I can get that on my Kawa ZX-6R, how about 0-60 in under 3 ticks?
I just want more usable power, not like crazy power, if I wanted that I would have gotten a different car.

Couldn't someone do a low boost solution with maybe just a minimal setup? Wouldn't it be better to sell 500 $2000 kits than 10 $5,000 ones?

Aren't the actual turbos fairly cheap? What else if left? Manifold...piping...anyone? I've seen some simple setups before and never heard any complaints.

Hey Greddy's Miata kit is only $1600 too!

 

[spoolinmp3]

Yeah miatas greddy kit is a POS. Cracked manifolds, 14b turbo, non-intercooled, crappy-I mean crappy FMU and missing parts yada yada yada. Its a great kit if you plan on upgrading but, its not a complete kit.

 

[NorCal_MP3]

What's a FMV?

 

[APEXistud]

What's a FMV?

Do you mean FMU or FMV. FMU is Fuel Management Unit. And if I remember correctly, the unit that the GReddy Miata kit controls the fuel according to the boost level. Which works ok if you know what you're doing and you know that there is no detonation happening. Ideally, you want a FMU that controls fuel based on knock and boost together.

 

[NorCal_MP3]

Why do we need a intercooler?

Since an intercooler is like $1500 of the turbo price, why not run a lower boost level and scrap the intercooler?

If a $3800 turbo system includes a intercooler, shouldn't a lower boost system w/o intercooler run like $2000?

If I could get my car in the mid 7s for 0-60 I'm good. That should be about 30-35hp right?

 

[spoolinmp3]

Thats about right, And a non-intercooled system is in the 2000 dollar range

 

[pyske]

is this going to be in production ?? and what is the final price for all of us.

Thx

 

[Kombat Karl]

Pictures?

 

[pyske]

when is this going to be released cause I am in a position where I am getting ready to get a car so please tell me when this is comming out.

 

[Antoine]

How much do you think the Mazdaspeed setup is...that is if it were sold as a kit?.....with and without labor?