gogogomoveit
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Maybe i should just get hit the track and forget about getting extra stuff i dont need yet.
Track Day brake pads?
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Maybe i should just get hit the track and forget about getting extra stuff i dont need yet.
noobinacan
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Carbotech
Ferodo
EBC
SBS-Carbon
HAWK
and
ATE superblue brake fluid is a MUST if you don't want spongy pedal feel. and you can also go steel lines if you want, but brake fluid is more important here. IMO
Depends on track as well...if hard braking zones. you may get brake fade (note: different from spongy pedal)
Ferodo
EBC
SBS-Carbon
HAWK
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ATE superblue brake fluid is a MUST if you don't want spongy pedal feel. and you can also go steel lines if you want, but brake fluid is more important here. IMO
Depends on track as well...if hard braking zones. you may get brake fade (note: different from spongy pedal)
Nliiitend1
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Yes, as long as your track day is indeed occasional, IMO.
Nliiitend1
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Really, it depends as much on the course, your driving style, and the type of tires you're using as well, but as long as you're on a course that isn't crazy corner/braking heavy, you don't do a lot of trail-braking, and you're driving on street tires, then I think they'd be adequate.
Optimally, you'd have a second set of rotors and pads to use for track days, but that's not always practical for everyone.
Optimally, you'd have a second set of rotors and pads to use for track days, but that's not always practical for everyone.
brooks1277
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I'm currently running HP+'s front and rear. They work fine, but I'm getting fade at the end some of my brake zones so I'm going with Hawk DTC60's for the front. I'll just switch them out at the track.
solidtrance
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To the OP: +1 on the fluid upgrade. That is a must before your first day at the track. Post #5 of the link listed HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT AN RX8? CLICK HERE in my sig would be a good read for you. There is a lot of good brake info contained in that post even though it is primarily about RX8's. The same basic principles apply to the MS3, both cars have great brakes from the factory. If you are looking to do the occasional track day i would recommend (in order)
1. At a minimum bleed the brake fluid completely and ensure that you are running fresh fluid. Better bet would be to upgrade to ATE or Motul.
2. Get some aggressive street/light track pads. HPS, HP+, etc.
3. SS Lines, these are good for piece of mind.
4. End of list! Anything else is major overkill.
Number one is the only one that will be required. You have to do it or you could get yourself in trouble on course and do some real damage to yourself or your car. For you first few track days you shouldn't need anything else. It should take you a few track days to get to the point where you are exceeding the limits of the very good stock brakes that the MS3 has.
1. At a minimum bleed the brake fluid completely and ensure that you are running fresh fluid. Better bet would be to upgrade to ATE or Motul.
2. Get some aggressive street/light track pads. HPS, HP+, etc.
3. SS Lines, these are good for piece of mind.
4. End of list! Anything else is major overkill.
Number one is the only one that will be required. You have to do it or you could get yourself in trouble on course and do some real damage to yourself or your car. For you first few track days you shouldn't need anything else. It should take you a few track days to get to the point where you are exceeding the limits of the very good stock brakes that the MS3 has.
noobinacan
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when changing pads...or once a year atleast,
take off your calipers, remove pads and get a tooth brush and spoay water...
and brush off all the brake dust build up...specially form the caliper pistons.
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take off your calipers, remove pads and get a tooth brush and spoay water...
and brush off all the brake dust build up...specially form the caliper pistons.
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Perro del Sol
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Depending on the track, as was stated previuosly above, I would go with HP+'s over the HPS. At Mid-Ohio, VIR, Watkins Glen, Road Atlanta and other tracks where there is a great deal of braking, the HPS, will do ok, but the HP+'s will do a lot better.
If you are really serious about doing HPDE's you may want to look into the HT-10's. A good friend of mine is very knowledgeable about HAWK Products, check out this link to his site, he has very detailed information about each compound.
http://www.andrew-racing.com/ar_website_006.htm
Please feel free to call him with any quesitons.
If you are really serious about doing HPDE's you may want to look into the HT-10's. A good friend of mine is very knowledgeable about HAWK Products, check out this link to his site, he has very detailed information about each compound.
http://www.andrew-racing.com/ar_website_006.htm
Please feel free to call him with any quesitons.
brooks1277
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x2 on that. Jay is great! Unfortunately Hawk isn't making the HT-10's for the front of MS3 yet, just rears. Thus the reason I am going to the 60's for track days.
gogogomoveit
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Lots of good info. Very substantial thread. Thanks all.
For the fluid part, I have been using ATE Blues on my previous car and have always liked the result. But I have to take the car in for the fluid change since I have no garage and no one help me to pump the pedal. Is there any good one-person brake fluid bleed solution?
For the fluid part, I have been using ATE Blues on my previous car and have always liked the result. But I have to take the car in for the fluid change since I have no garage and no one help me to pump the pedal. Is there any good one-person brake fluid bleed solution?
solidtrance
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Speed bleeders should work, but I have never used them. I usually talk my wife into helping.
gogogomoveit
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You will need 2L of fluid to flush the system properly. If you are just going for a solid change 1L is sufficient. I agree with everyone on this forum and i'm glad to see others tracking their MS3. I have run just NHMS with www.comscc.org first event ever with COM you get 100.00 off come check us out we have alot to offer for HPDE. I myself just switched out from HP+ pads which IMO were good for about 2 track days and 24k daily driving to Carbotech XP10's in the front and XP8's in the rear on DBA4000 series rotors. There are currently 3 MS3's running with this organization and i am one of them. I encourage everyone in the Northeast region who posted to come check us out.
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Is it ok to run a weekend HPDE Pad like Carbotech XP-8 in the front with stock pad in the rear? I know it will change brake bias towards the front and push a little.
freeflyfreak
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I asked the tech guy at Carbotech this, he said it would be fine...... except my car will have XP12 and stock rear
Carbotech recommended XP12 front XP10 rear for my MS3, but I am doing XP12 front Stock rear, eventually Bobcat rear.
Oh..... and speedbleeders work great. But use teflon tape on the threads.
Oh just noticed...... Laguna Seca..... Maybe I'll see you there.... That is my local and main/fav track.
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