Time for War !!!

[jas9297]

OK. this how i'll informed you are. . . .

(scratch)
No offense but, ... huh? I'm not sure I understand any of your points. If you are referring to my post, which I'm not really sure you are, then you missed my point. Life is more complicated than a foreign policy built on flexing one's testicles, as Bush has done. In many respects, he has helped inflame the situation. No President has been immune from making foreign policy blunders. Try reading some of the links I sent you or do an indepth internet search on the foreign policies of the last 4 or so presidents.

 

[jas9297]

He was shown to have direct connections with Enron's CEO. He is a very dirty businessman, and he is VERY wealthy for it now.

Ben, I respect your arguments but don't go soft on me now.

The above quote could refer to Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. The Bush family money was not obtained through pure sweat and industry. Clintons' sudden "wealth" is no reason to dislike him. Do you also dislike the way the Bushies hobnobbed with oil tycoons, traded off of their father's fame, and took advantage of the system? Please, do a search on the internet for the urban legends about Clinton -- after 8 years of a $45 million investigation they didn't have enough evidence on the guy? And do a search for the source and history of the Bush money, especially Prescott Bush, and his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker.
http://azplace.net/view.php?page=Bush+Family+Wealth+Is+Linked+To+The+Holocaust
http://www.clamormagazine.org/features/issue14.3_feature.html
http://www.americanfreedomnews.com/afn_articles/bushsecrets.htm
(now, I myself need to do more research to verify this, but my point is that serious claims are out there against Bush as well).

There is simply more out there than meets the eye. Frankly, all of our Presidents (maybe not Carter) have done a lot and had to deal with a lot more (especially internationally) than we will ever know.

Remember Iran contra? That was a serious issue largely forgotten by those who condemn Clinton's dishonesty.

Maybe I'm a realist. I'd like to think we can have good honest people in our government. I just haven't seen it.

 

[saided18]

yeah i wrote the post half asleep. that my fault. i don't understand half the things i wrote. but Clinton was a very bad man. Do you think Clinton is ANY better then Bush?? What about the Mark Rich pardon?? I would like to justify that? Every President has his hands dirty. And about the 8 years 45 million dollars. that a battle cry for the Demacrats. I use to here that all the time from Dems. As for the evidence. he is a smart guy and know how to cover his tracks. Plus to bring the President of the United States of America on criminal charges you better have a air tight case. and they didn't. The Repubs did go way to far with those investigations.

I was just watching the best show on earth, the O'relly Factor. but he brought i go point and i would like to hear what every one thinks of this. Dashel (******* dipshit that he is) and Gephart(another dipshit) came out attacking the President for his "diplomatic failures and are very angry at Bush b/c he failed to build a colalition". But if we remember way back to Clinton "Iraq war" Both those morons came out in FULL support of Clinton. not a negitive word about him, even though Clinton never went before the UN to ask permission to use force(i think) and didn't try to "build a colalition".

This type of stuff pisses me off. the double standard that not only the Dems do but some Repubs do to. They should be consistent in their views and don't play games while Troops are in harms way!

 

[saided18]

OMFG. that is the most bulls*** thing i ever heard. I can't believe at what lengths the people will go to bash the President. it's really sad!!!

So Osama funded the Bushes oil company. What is next. Are you going to tell me that Freemasons rules the world??? OR th aliens are going to come down and vist us??

i don't want to hear a word out of you. You sir are a Bush hater. and i hate people like you. YOU MAKE ME SICK!!!

 

[big_ben]

This is like argueing over whether god exists or not. No one ever wins. I do realize that ALL politicians have their skeletons. I'm positive that the bush family gained some of their money through questionable sources, i realize that.

This is the thing I hate about Clinton. And it's not really Clinton himself. I HATE the way most of America praise him like he's Gandi or something. They are so damn blind to the fact that he was one of the most crooked and self serving presidents we have had. He did great things for the economy, but thats it, nothing else. He led this country into a weak military state and look where it got us. But stupid naive majority of America see him as a saint and praise everything he did. I just hate stupidity ingeneral. And It's stupid to think that Clinton was this great president. Clinton just got lucky that he was handed a presidency when the economy was booming and technology was about to see huge advancements. How did he handle it, he put troops into harms way, got the shot up, then pulled them out like they couldn't handle the situation, all while he was gettting his dick sucked by a fat 22 year old girl. I sure am proud of him. He's nothing but a country redneck from Arkansas. Hell, Bush is a redneck too but he's at least got balls.

 

[andy_guerriero]

Well gents, it happened.

I've been called up from the reserves today. I'll wind up on the Kitty Hawk before the week's out.

I may pop in here and there if I can get access.

 

[big_ben]

Have fun and be safe. You have a lot of "hurry up and wait" ahead of you. I'm sure you know what I mean.

 

[enry]

fastest growing thread EVER.

 

[big_ben]

People have lots of passion for their opinions in topics like this one.

 

[jas9297]

OMFG. that is the most bulls*** thing i ever heard. I can't believe at what lengths the people will go to bash the President. it's really sad!!!

are you talking about Bush or Clinton?! People have gone to great lengths to bash both.

Yes, I don't like Bush. That is my opinion. He has not fought for the things I care about most (such as environmental preservation).

I am sorry you hate people like me. All I'm doing is voicing my opinion, giving you a few links and the incentive to do some research and thinking for yourself. You note in my post I said that this needed further research -- I don't know what to believe for sure. But bottom line, I don't think we can trust any of our recent leaders.

So before you hate me, consider the strength of your own arguments.

 

[jas9297]

This is the thing I hate about Clinton. And it's not really Clinton himself. I HATE the way most of America praise him like he's Gandi or something. They are so damn blind to the fact that he was one of the most crooked and self serving presidents we have had.

Actually, I've never heard people praise him like that. I've heard mostly criticism. In fact, I've heard a lot more about Reagan being like Gandhi -- for example lots of people have argued that if it weren't for Reagan, we wouldn't have had the great economy in the 1990s. Now that the economy has crashed, though, you don't hear that as much. Funny how things change.

It's human nature to wax nostalgic about people we support. But I don't blame you for disliking the praise. I don't like a lot of the things Clinton did. But for the democrats, he's all they've got.

 

[1sty]

Well gents, it happened.

I've been called up from the reserves today. I'll wind up on the Kitty Hawk before the week's out.

I may pop in here and there if I can get access.

Be safe bro, your one of my favorite people to argue wiht .
Atleast you have a good ship under you and protecting you.

 

[1sty]

Actually, I've never heard people praise him like that. I've heard mostly criticism. In fact, I've heard a lot more about Reagan being like Gandhi -- for example lots of people have argued that if it weren't for Reagan, we wouldn't have had the great economy in the 1990s. Now that the economy has crashed, though, you don't hear that as much. Funny how things change.

It's human nature to wax nostalgic about people we support. But I don't blame you for disliking the praise. I don't like a lot of the things Clinton did. But for the democrats, he's all they've got.

Regan did begin to rebuild the economy after Carter screwed up royaly. But the Economy falls on the public more then anyone in my opinion. Reagan came in the economy sucked. He left and in 4 years it was thrashed again. Then it came back stronger then ever, Internet not Clinton Reagan or Bush, then when the internet was revieled as a dead end for the most part the economy crashed again. The market always does this and always will. presidents can't be fully blaimed or praised for it.

Clinton was one of the worst POS presidents ever. A complete Pussy, coward and self gradifing deviant. the democrats have great people but since they like to think for themselves they are never allowed to move up. As it is in many political organizations. You play ball or your out of a job.

 

[saided18]

Know what i hate is people that attack and try to smear people. that is wrong. You should not go around saying things that your not sure of.



I supported Clinton when he bombed Iraq and supported him when he went to war in Kosova. You have to also remember the whole scandle of Clinton take money form the Chinesee. =0)
Each person has there secrets. but Clinton has way more then i would like to know about. I lost ALL respect for Clinton when he pardoned Mark Rich. He should have been brought up on charges for doing that. but a pardon is a pardon and you can't do anything about it.

 

[1sty]

There is a very simple problem with Clinton, he did so much foul s*** no one can even remember more then half of it with out thinking for atleast a 1/2 hour.But back on the subject, anyone else find it very convient that the time limit runs out at the start of Prime time TV on the East coast to night?

 

[jas9297]

Know what i hate is people that attack and try to smear people. that is wrong. You should not go around saying things that your not sure of.

I don't know why you're flaming me so much.

I just gave you links to read, specifically stated that I needed to do further research, and invited you to do the same. I never tried to smear Bush. First, there are a lot of facts in those articles. Second, how do you know that nothing in them is true? Hell, simply posting links and inviting further research is not smearing the man. You need to get a grip.

If you want, you could probably research a hundred web sites smearing CLinton. In fact, a few wackos say he is directly responsible for 56 murders. I'm just placing research out there for you to believe or not.

 

[saided18]

yea exactly. you should not pay any attntin ot those websites! b/c they ALL are a loud of bulls***.

 

[1sty]

I never tried to smear Bush. F

Isn't that a gynocolagist's job?

I know its a stretch but funny to me!

 

[norman]

Someone with as sick of a sense of humor as I have...finally I don't feel like an outcast.