Throw Down! MS3 260whp 300wtq

Jesse MS3GT said:
Quarter mile calculators don't mean s***. I have a slip to prove my time, I didnt use a "calculator". 85 and 90% humidity will kill most cars 1/4 mile times especially when theyre boosted. Now had I ran a 14.2 on a 60 day with no humidity it would be a different story.
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You can even go further and say that 1/4 slips don't mean s***. Sure, dyno's have a lot of factors involved, but so does time slips. Drivers skill, elevation, tires, grip, slope of strip, etc. You could say that the only thing that matters is winning the piston cup. But what really matters? For dyno's, its the change in numbers.

A few months ago, three of us MS3 owners went on the same day to the same dyno and did some pulls. GotNoSpice had a CPE CAI, I had an MS CAI, and ZooZoom had no mods at the time. Spice pulled 235HP, I pulled 240HP and ZooZoom pulled 245HP.

What does that mean? I don't know. But, to me anyway, it mean more that s***. Here is San Diego, I have no track and I have no strip. I do have a dyno for $40.
 
Just to add to the fray, my completely stock dyno sheet of my ms3 with 800 miles.

252 whp with 281 ft/lbs torque.

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252 whp with 281 ft/lbs torque.

Nice to see good #'s on these cars it makes me want to dyno mine before I mod it. I think it's funny when people only care about 1/4 mile times.(ghey)
 
Ferdball said:
You can even go further and say that 1/4 slips don't mean s***. Sure, dyno's have a lot of factors involved, but so does time slips. Drivers skill, elevation, tires, grip, slope of strip, etc. You could say that the only thing that matters is winning the piston cup. But what really matters? For dyno's, its the change in numbers.

A few months ago, three of us MS3 owners went on the same day to the same dyno and did some pulls. GotNoSpice had a CPE CAI, I had an MS CAI, and ZooZoom had no mods at the time. Spice pulled 235HP, I pulled 240HP and ZooZoom pulled 245HP.
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You are correct about the temp variants, driver skill etc.

I also have an actual dyno graph of three of my local car sites members dynoing on LSE's "not conservative" Dyno Dynamics :rolleyes:

Red is stock.
Green has a CPE CAI(me).
Blue has a MS CAI and Turbo XS race pipe.

Similar to your comparison. Looks like 20-30hp difference between your dynojets and the Dyno Dynamics I was on... Hrm
 

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couple questions, from outside the speed3 area.

you have a boost gauge installed? i know the ETS was showign almost 2psi less loss across the core for the speed6 guys, so the couple that have talked about it are seeing closer to 17psi in reality now.

...haha, just realized there were more pages....so i can retract my other questions as they were answered.

on another note...hey Pisadong, remember me from the 6club days way back when! i'll be hitting the dyno again soon, hoping for some success after all my mods. maybe a mazda dyno day?
 
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You know with all this fuss, I can only imagine the numbers I am putting out. These graphs just prove to me that I have surpassed the 300 mark.
 
knowledge007 said:
You know with all this fuss, I can only imagine the numbers I am putting out. These graphs just prove to me that I have surpassed the 300 mark.
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I'm not trying to bash you or anything...but with the mods in your sig you are no where near 300 whp. Adding exhaust with the intake is not much of an increase in top end power though torque jumps up a bit. This has been proven on other MS3's and MS6's even with the Standback/Exede. I will say though that you have a nice looking car with a good mod list! :)


To the OP, nice numbers! Yes they are a little overstated but are inline with the cars that you compared to such as the Evo IX which is right where they should be.
 
Just not sure what tuning solution to purchase. Also not sure where I want to put my guages...??? A pillar or dash???

I don't understand then, are these dynos all whp??? How could I not be putting out a little over 300 in both hp and tq if I get 20-30 whp with the CAI and 40 atleast hp with the turbo back???
 
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Has anyone ever produced a sheet that showed over 300hp? I'm sure there are a few people around who have cai and high flow cat and 3" exhaust and even IC upgrades and whatever else and I haven't seen anyone claim 300hp. This is real life, not gran turismo where you can just add up numbers in your head and figure out your hp from what you have installed based on vendor claims. Go dyno and if you have 300hp then kudos. Just don't be disappointed if you are showing lower numbers than what you expect.
 
Kosh said:
Has anyone ever produced a sheet that showed over 300hp? I'm sure there are a few people around who have cai and high flow cat and 3" exhaust and even IC upgrades and whatever else and I haven't seen anyone claim 300hp. This is real life, not gran turismo where you can just add up numbers in your head and figure out your hp from what you have installed based on vendor claims. Go dyno and if you have 300hp then kudos. Just don't be disappointed if you are showing lower numbers than what you expect.
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Listen, I don't need a lecture about GT. If this chart shows this with just an IC upgrade then what do you think. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out. I have had more powerful cars than this little s*** and yes it does feel about right at about 300.

And plus, dyno will come when I p/u a tuning solution until then why waste my friggin money.

BTW, if your going to lecture me, why don't you try and answer my questions first.
 
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lol ok youre going to hit 300whp are you happy now?
Its a dyno people, they vary from 216 stock to 260stock.
Hmm according to your reasoning i should be right around 300whp too.
260whp stock plus 19 for the intake plus 15 for the cat im going to remove....
humm 260 plus 19 plus 15 is 294whp. Omg i drive a 294whp car.

Get real(notcool)
 
MrTea said:
couple questions, from outside the speed3 area.

you have a boost gauge installed? i know the ETS was showign almost 2psi less loss across the core for the speed6 guys, so the couple that have talked about it are seeing closer to 17psi in reality now.

...haha, just realized there were more pages....so i can retract my other questions as they were answered.

on another note...hey Pisadong, remember me from the 6club days way back when! i'll be hitting the dyno again soon, hoping for some success after all my mods. maybe a mazda dyno day?
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Hey Bryan (it is Bryan right?(scratch), of course I remember you. How have you been. Still got the 6i huh. Glad to see you around.
 
Jesse MS3GT said:
Quarter mile calculators don't mean s***. I have a slip to prove my time, I didnt use a "calculator". 85 and 90% humidity will kill most cars 1/4 mile times especially when theyre boosted. Now had I ran a 14.2 on a 60 day with no humidity it would be a different story.

And I do know the dyno I was on was conservative. The shop used zero correction factor, and that place has had MANY complaints about putting out "low" numbers. The shop owner at LSE told me about a Mustang owner complaining about only making 438whp on their dyno when he had made almost 500whp previously on a Dynojet in the same state(MN). The guy even went as far as to go back to the other shop, dyno there and bring a sheet back to LSE when he whined. Dyno numbers don't mean s***. 1/4 slips do.

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mazda-3-Timeslip-12528.html
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You must have missed the part about my 300-350lb heavier car trapping the same speed as yours. This was on a real drag strip, not a digital one. Los Angeles County Raceway in Palmdale, CA. 2750' altitude, 100* temps, nice 20 mph headwind and it all adds up to one of the slowest tracks in the nation. I ran a 13.5 at 100mph there in my Legacy GT which at the time was making 255whp on the Dynojet. I have the slip somewhere. For as much time as you spend at the strip, and will all the crazy power your car is supposed to be making since you dynoed on a "low reading" dyno, you sure are slow!(naughty)(laugh)(upyours)
 
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