Dexter's right. It will take a LONG time for the transition to take effect. By that time there will be HUGE advances in the technology, and I'm sure a lot of you will probably jump it like a fat kid on a cupcake. The potential for power from hydrogen is far greater than gasoline. We just need to bypass the electrical stage and take the power directly from fusion. Hey kids, can you say "Thermo-nuclear horsepower"?Dexter said:
They have done it,the basterds have done it.
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jersey_emt
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I want an atomic car!!! No, wait...
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Would the small sedan then become a ULFVinstead of a ULEV? "ultra low fallout vehicle"Spooled said:
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Hydrogen powered cars have been around for a while. BMW's CleanAir system was put into 7 series in the earlier ninetys, and are capable of both gas and hydrogen.
http://www.h2cars.biz/artman/publish/article_556.shtml
If you want a hydrogen powered sports car, check that link. Hehe.
http://www.h2cars.biz/artman/publish/article_556.shtml
If you want a hydrogen powered sports car, check that link. Hehe.
Don't these bastards see that once we convert over to HFC cars there will be a dangerous amount of water being released into the environment? Not only will this be harmful to the worms (being tricked into crawling into the wet streets), it will aid the dolphins in the revolution that they've been planning against us (sorry, Simpsons reference).
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First of all, the oil reserves in alaska are almost never seen in the rest of the states due to the fact that its cheaper to ship it to japan and sell it there than it is to keep it for our own usage. Second of all, the hydrogen technology being developed by car companies is no where near mass production ready, they have a few prototype vehicles out there to make people happy but the companies are all dragging their feet because of the tremendous retooling cost, not to mention training all their technitians (SP) and sales people. I like the environment as much as the next tree hugging californian, but i think we will see more and more hybrids before we see a large amount of Hydrogen powered cars. And dont complain about that because hybrid cars have very good performance potential in recent concept vehicles.
The thing i dont understand is why the oil companies wouldnt get in on hydrogen production on the ground floor to reep the rewards later on down the road when oil is used less.
Lastly, we are safe from the dolphins as long as we keep their king locked up at sea world.
The thing i dont understand is why the oil companies wouldnt get in on hydrogen production on the ground floor to reep the rewards later on down the road when oil is used less.
Lastly, we are safe from the dolphins as long as we keep their king locked up at sea world.
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just curious... what about planes, 18 wheelers, boats, etc. with massive payloads and crazy strong engines. i doubt the hydrogen technology is advanced enough (especially if you say they just figured it out 2 days ago) to be able to replace these as well. not to mention the fact that things like planes cost billions of dollars and they're not simply going to buy new hydrogen ones because it's suddenly available. so I find it unlikely that gas will just instantly die and hydrogen take over the world.
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A lot of it comes down to supply and demand as well. You can't go building hydrogen refueling stations (or whatever) all over the place if nobody's buying hydrogen powered cars. It's kinda like the chicken and the egg, which comes first for making the most money.
Other things to consider - maintenance, who's going to work on these cars? Millions of technicians across the country will have to be retrained. This takes time, and at the rate of development of this new system it may change faster than people can be adequately trained.
Loyalty to gas fueled vehicles - it's going to take some people a lot of coercion to move from gas (which we're all comfortable with) to hydrogen with a large part of the population. If the public don't want it, the public ain't buying it. Think of how many people we have in this country who will not see the benefits of this breakthrough and will flat out refuse to switch. This will slow down the rate of sales and production of these vehicles... at least until the price of gas goes thru the roof and they're forced to.
Other things to consider - maintenance, who's going to work on these cars? Millions of technicians across the country will have to be retrained. This takes time, and at the rate of development of this new system it may change faster than people can be adequately trained.
Loyalty to gas fueled vehicles - it's going to take some people a lot of coercion to move from gas (which we're all comfortable with) to hydrogen with a large part of the population. If the public don't want it, the public ain't buying it. Think of how many people we have in this country who will not see the benefits of this breakthrough and will flat out refuse to switch. This will slow down the rate of sales and production of these vehicles... at least until the price of gas goes thru the roof and they're forced to.
Heres some relevant info regarding conversions of existing autos to hydrogen... I haven't been able to dig up any new info on this separation technique though..
http://www.hydrogencomponents.com/cvi.html
http://www.hydrogencomponents.com/cvi.html
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^ Is true. And with Bush as our leader, that road to Hydro heaven will not happen soon.
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rubixcubix
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and i dont know what you tuner boys are so worried about, i dont see why you couldnt get even more bang out of hydrogen with a forced induction system, the storage tanks are already presurized but if they work on injectors like gasoline engines then forcing intake air into the combustion chamber could only increase the power output. You know, provided that it doesnt increase it so much that the engine blows apart, but hey we have guys on this board worrying about that same issue running gas so its no biggie right?
On the blimp- actually what started burning was the outside paint I believe- look here
http://www.hydrogennow.org/Facts/Safety.htm
I would think that rubix is right- still plenty of potential for power, just have to learn how to do it-
http://www.hydrogennow.org/Facts/Safety.htm
I would think that rubix is right- still plenty of potential for power, just have to learn how to do it-
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By the time this all happens, all we'll have to worry about is what kind of vegetation we're pushing up.
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I choose daisies. 
http://www.woodgas.com/hydrogen_economy.pdf
Quote from it if you do not feel like reading it.
Quote from it if you do not feel like reading it.
"The results of this analysis indicate the weakness of a "Pure-Hydrogen-Only-Economy". All problems are directly related to the nature of hydrogen. Most of the problems cannot be solved by additional research and development. We have to accept that hydrogen is the lightest of all gases and, as a consequence, that its physical properties are incompatible with the requirements of the energy market. Production, packaging, storage, transfer and delivery of the gas, in essence all key component of an economy, are so energy consuming that alternatives should be considered. Mankind cannot afford to waste energy for idealistic goals, but it will look for practical solutions and select the most energy-saving solutions. The Pure-Hydrogen-Only solution may never be acceptable."
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