test pipe and MIL

[fr0st]

guy ,,
you may have convince me on trying on a catless J-pipe.

i have hear that the ses light comes on as the O2 doesnt see the saem thing and all hell breaks out.

is there a way to not install a MIL and still use that J-pipe wityh no cats ?

i think i have heard that you can use a longer bung and install the O2 away from the real action and it works..

is that true?

 

[haze20]

Are you talking about the non-fouler trick?

 

[fr0st]

yeah exactly, well the trick so that the o2 sensor will be thinking "all is alright"

 

[BradC]

yeah exactly, well the trick so that the o2 sensor will be thinking "all is alright"

Yup, spark plug non-foulers.

Do a seach for it, there is a how-to on here. It has been working well for me and many others so far.

Edit - here is a link: http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123634664&highlight=non-fouler

 

[mike2225]

i would just get the mil elimantor, its only $20 and ive had it on my car for 3 years now with no problems.When i removed the second cat it made such a difference, the turbo spooled up faster and gained alot more top end power

 

[BradC]

i would just get the mil elimantor, its only $20 and ive had it on my car for 3 years now with no problems.When i removed the second cat it made such a difference, the turbo spooled up faster and gained alot more top end power

Non-fouler is easier, and 100% reversible.

 

[Swerny]

frost, driving without a cat is a major fine in Quebec (or anywhere in Canada for that matter).

 

[fr0st]

frost, driving without a cat is a major fine in Quebec (or anywhere in Canada for that matter).

shhhh, it's our secret (rei)

 

[503MSP]

since its illegal in cananda i say you just get a catted one, good for the environment and you still get the power increase

 

[Swerny]

since its illegal in cananda i say you just get a catted one, good for the environment and you still get the power increase

werd.

catless, your car will stink like unburned fuel...dead giveaway for the cops.

I ran a Corksport exhaust catless for a month and the car stank.

I added a hi flow cat and lost little if any power, and was legal.

Catless, you'll burn out your O2 sesnor faster too...which is $.

 

[fr0st]

im taking note of this.

thanks

 

[frosted]

If you're too cheap to mod your car then, stop right now. Put an high flow cat in the other case. There's no fun hurting the environment, especialy for 0.05 more hp.

My 2 cents,

 

[fr0st]

If you're too cheap to mod your car then, stop right now. Put an high flow cat in the other case. There's no fun hurting the environment, especialy for 0.05 more hp.

My 2 cents,

firstly,

where did you get the idea i was "too cheap" to mod the car ? im looking at ways to mod it without paying handlingfees to our great stupid goverment from crossing stuff from the USA to Canada... they have a tendency to rub in 40% MORE than the actual cost in taxes and fees..i bought a 75$ boost controller and ended up with 17$ more in taxes and fees..so like if i was to buy a somehting like a test pipe worth 300$ USD it would cost a fortune..it's a nice product but i dont have to pay like a stupid dumbass because it's a great product... at least if the whole money went to the seller instead of going to a goverment that will misuse it anyways so i won't see any benefit.. i'd prefer to let a seller make a buck more than seeing that. oh and the reason i asked about this is that fact that muffler shop who i go scubdiving with can make me one out of stainless steel from tip to tip for about 125$ CDN.. and he could proly make more for other forum members if i was to start at this.

secondly ,

"especialy for 0.05 more hp."

it will be alot more than 0.05 hp and opens up alot more chances of getting the car to move alot faster.. but it still a weaked rod engine and there are still chances of blowing it up and i dont have the TIME to fix it.. im busy as ****.. i could walk in a mazda dealer and walk out with a MS3 that i will ONLY use about 1 or 2 days a week.. now THAT would be money not spent well.. as i have a sportbike to keep runing to and while im on the sportbike when it's nice a warm outside i dont use the MSP.. i can't use both at the same time and i will surely not sell the garage queen.

thirdly,

"There's no fun hurting the environment, "


i do find it paradoxal that you can walk in the performance section of an MSP forum and say i will hurt the enviroment..after only 6 posts..

like you think that the guy who is modding up a mspthat it will be C.A.R.B. legal? or that he wants it to be ?

 

[Swerny]

have stuff shipped via USPS only and there are no brokerage fees, only taxes (GST & PST) just like if you bought the part in Canada.

Problem solved.

Seciondly....running catless is horrible for the environment...there is no debating that and it's why it's illegal in Canada and certain states. It is quite simple to mod a car and keep it CARB legal.

 

[fr0st]

have stuff shipped via USPS only and there are no brokerage fees, only taxes (GST & PST) just like if you bought the part in Canada.

Problem solved.

Seciondly....running catless is horrible for the environment...there is no debating that and it's why it's illegal in Canada and certain states. It is quite simple to mod a car and keep it CARB legal.

well i bought engine mounts that are takin way too long to get here.. 4 weeks ago to be exact and i should pay fees when it takes this long.. i will post this here when i get them.. be sure of it.

i also bought a turbosmart MBC from SU and it was by USPS and it was specified 75$ part and i paid 17$ in fees and taxes...

care to explain WHY i paid fees ?

since when do tree huggers mod msp's ?? i mean alot of people here run catless pipe and we don't see anybody crying.. why is it that "i" alk about it and get an earful?

 

[jmv]

since when do tree huggers mod msp's ?? i mean alot of people here run catless pipe and we don't see anybody crying.. why is it that "i" alk about it and get an earful?

don't worry about it.

People do have a valid point, it is worse for the environment.... but personally if i had a chance to do it over again i'd probably go catless.

If you're anti-catless, feel free to state your point, but don't start attacking anyone or saying that they're 'too cheap to mod their car'.




Back on topic, Frost i would try doing the MIL eliminator trick. I had a friend who did it and said it was real easy.

Which midpipe were you thinking of going with?? I might reccomend AGAINST the apex piece if thats what you're looking at, because it not designed too well (the flex pipe is post exhuast hangars, which caused both of my exhuast hanger rods to completely snap in half). My friend who bought his new also had a hell of a time trying to get the pipe in his hands, took forever.

 

[Swerny]

well i bought engine mounts that are takin way too long to get here.. 4 weeks ago to be exact and i should pay fees when it takes this long.. i will post this here when i get them.. be sure of it.

i also bought a turbosmart MBC from SU and it was by USPS and it was specified 75$ part and i paid 17$ in fees and taxes...

care to explain WHY i paid fees ?

since when do tree huggers mod msp's ?? i mean alot of people here run catless pipe and we don't see anybody crying.. why is it that "i" alk about it and get an earful?

it's illegal to run catless where you are.
Same for the guys in Cali.
Other states, it's not illegal.

$17 in charges on $75 isn't bad at all.

GST and PST are 15%, that's $12 right there...+ a $5 handling fee likely.
There's nothing unreasonable about that.

You would pay the same 15% if you bought from a local store.

You're bitching about $5?

 

[fr0st]

don't worry about it.

People do have a valid point, it is worse for the environment.... but personally if i had a chance to do it over again i'd probably go catless.

If you're anti-catless, feel free to state your point, but don't start attacking anyone or saying that they're 'too cheap to mod their car'.




Back on topic, Frost i would try doing the MIL eliminator trick. I had a friend who did it and said it was real easy.

Which midpipe were you thinking of going with?? I might reccomend AGAINST the apex piece if thats what you're looking at, because it not designed too well (the flex pipe is post exhuast hangars, which caused both of my exhuast hanger rods to completely snap in half). My friend who bought his new also had a hell of a time trying to get the pipe in his hands, took forever.

well i might go with something more built a firend of mine who owns a muffler shop.. you see, he can make me a full stainless tig welded pipe that would replace the 2 cats altogether..it would be same diameter as the original exat and would have a a stainless steal socket to which i can bolt on the o2 sensor.. it would alot less and would last forever since it's 316 SS for about a fraction of the price and NO fees or taxes as this would be made by that friend and paid in cash.... it would cost about 150$ can. installed with gaskets and all. he just gets my cat off the car and takes mesures.. then builds it in front of me. i'd prefer something in stainless.

but im not decided yet.. gonna wait to see how cops react to can exausts on hondas this year first.. they seem to be all fired up about giving tickets to non-stock exaust cars..

but i do like the idea of the non fouler trick.


thanks

 

[fr0st]

it's illegal to run catless where you are.
Same for the guys in Cali.
Other states, it's not illegal.

$17 in charges on $75 isn't bad at all.

GST and PST are 15%, that's $12 right there...+ a $5 handling fee likely.
There's nothing unreasonable about that.

You would pay the same 23% if you bought from a local store.

You're bitching about $5?

fyi, im not bitching about 5$.. im bitching about justice... if some guy from michigan buys a product over the net he would pay anything in taxes or fees..
i don't see why i should pay 15% taxe to a goverment over something i bought in the USA.. now imagine if i buy an intercooler ( which i would love too) worth 900$ USD..plus shipping plus about 23% in taxes that a dude in the USA won't pay.. now WHY should "i" pay this??

if it's a USA dude buying in canada he wouldn't pay a penny in tax. it's a one way thing and i hate to see my hard earn money going to a stupid goverment who can't do s*** about pollution anyways... they can go with kyoto and even if they would it would be worthless since the USA won't follow..

i live about 5 minutes from a aluminium smelting plant ( ALCAN ), one of the biggest in canada.. with a LARGE number of cheminees spitting out tons of pollution in the air. do you really think my little catless msp will change anything to that??

 

[Swerny]

what the hell are you talking about 23% tax?

It's a new item, you pay GST & PST.

If you have a problem paying taxes..right to your MP or Harper.

If a guy buys from the US buys from Canada, and they have local US taxes, guess what? He pays tax too.

If you buy new from Canada...guess what? You'll pay taxes too.

Quit playing the victim here...if you want to buy anything there's taxes....and we have free healthcare and other ammenities as a result.

Quit blaming taxes and making other excuses and just say you want to run catless because your friend can build you a pipe for cheaper than you can import one and be done with the arguing.

Just because others run catless or Alcan is near you and they pollute doesn't make it legal to run your car catless where you live, same goes for me.

Deal with it