Sunroof

[Crock]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crock
the MSP is a high powered vehicle




Hehe

When I said high power vehicle, I meant for a Protege. Obviously it's not as highly powered as some other cars.

So...you think having a moonroof there woulda collapsed the whole thing?

It was a relatively low-speed accident. With a moonroof there instead of the car's original roof, it would have come down much lower and caused serious injury to my head/neck/life. Just look at the picture and decide for yourself.

It's also good that I'm very tall.


P.S. I could show you many more pictures if you want.

 

[Crock]

Hey Vic, we're never going to convince these kids this is a bad idea. It's like trying to stop people from smoking. It's painfully obvious how deadly it is but people want to do it anyway.

(dunno)

 

[PhreakV]

[not fully educated opinion]
could the design change for sunroof'd proteges vs the msp come from the fact that the sunroof slides into the roof for the other models? since it slides in that would seemingly necessitate that there isn't a bar there, correct?
from the pics that people have posted of the wrecked msp-s, it seems as though there is a bar there but that there is a crapton of room in front of it as well. why wouldn't it then be possible to put a flip-up sunroof in that space without compromising structural integrity? while I realize that a solid sheet of metal is more structurally sound than one with a piece of glass inserted, I would imagine the difference (based on my engineering/physics experiences) to be minimal in the equation where the forces acting on the roof are such as they were in those accidents...

in the end, wouldn't it be possible to install a flip up sunroof in the space in front of the bar without compromising the apparent anti-death integrity of the Proteges?
[/not fully educated opinion]

 

[UnNaturalinc]

Hey Vic, we're never going to convince these kids this is a bad idea. It's like trying to stop people from smoking. It's painfully obvious how deadly it is but people want to do it anyway.

(dunno)

How is it obviously deadly though? I see no potential health hazard involved in this if done properly. If you are cutting/removing/altering safety pieces, then that is a safety issue. If you are not doing anything that affects safety pieces, then it's not a safety issue. There is room to fit a sunroof with out cutting that beam. Sun and moon roofs are available in a quantity of sizes.

I am not a sunroof expert and don't know every specific detail of doing this, but if i were going to do such a thing to my vehicle I would talk to numerous shops before actually 'going under the knife'. Any legit business that does this kind of work would not just go hacking up safety parts like it was nothing. I would also never suggest or do any sort of modification that alters the safety of a vehicle.

I don't mean to argue or beat a dead horse, I'm just not seeing the problem if this is done in a safe manor. Adding aftermarket sunroofs is by no means a new concept :-/

 

[Dr.Sound]

Hey Vic, we're never going to convince these kids this is a bad idea. It's like trying to stop people from smoking. It's painfully obvious how deadly it is but people want to do it anyway.

(dunno)

yeah.....unfortunately

 

[Dr.Sound]

from looking at that pic there is more then 13in of room for a sun roof.
http://www.sunroofdoctor.com/popupkits.htm

yeah......but what about the motor and motor harnes??
have u thought about that.
the main reason they cut or trim the beam is to allow the motor housing to fit.

 

[Dr.Sound]

how? if you are not cutting support beams you dont affect support. That beam in the roof is far enough back that you could put a sun roof in no problem, with out cutting that beam. the spot ware the sun roof would go is just sheet metal.
Notes how your side roof beams did not smash down more then a inch. The only way your roof is going to totally claps is if your car was dropped right on its top. and that would have to be from a ways up. The roof beams are a very strong part of your car.

dude, as the car rolls the forces are applied on the sides first, if there is no beam going across to connect the sides (like the beam in the roof) THEY WILL COLLAPSE!

so OK, u will not suffer direct head injury, it will just squish you from the side and fold over you......i guess it will break you neck and rib cage first.

 

[Dr.Sound]

in some instances the beam is cut......in others the beam is trimmed.

EITHER WAY THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY THAT WAS TAKEN INTO EFFECT WHEN THE CAR WAS DESIGNED IS COMPROMIZED.

when i was rolling i saw my A-pillars compress.
the plastic A-pillar cover even popped out on the passenger side as the car rolled from the roof onto its right side. at that moment the pillar cover popped out because the whole right side flexed.
but guess what? the only reason it didnt break is because the roof beam prevented the side pillar beams from reaching their breaking points.

a-pillar on right side:
(check out the A and C pillars, they are trashed, BUT B-pillars are like nothing touched them....u know why? because B-pillars are connected by the roof beam)

another shot of the pillar:

and to all you doubters: F-YOU

 

[UnNaturalinc]

For the third time... I have not said anything about removing or cutting the support beam, nor did Mysta316. We both said the very opposite. If you don't change safety parts of the car then safety is not an issue. If you do affect those parts, then it is an issue.

I know that beam is there for safety, I have never said otherwise. I would say anyone would be stupid for altering that part. To be honest, I don't think that should even be legal to do. I sure as heck would not touch that beam on my own car.... never. I would never post here in public view saying to do something to alter safety (not to mention under a company name. heh).

Sunroofs come in a variety of sizes and shapes to accommodate different applications.


*I've looked at those pics a ton of times... that is one nasty wreck. :shakeshead: wow

 

[Dr.Sound]

i know, but every sun roof that i know of that was installed on MSP required cutting or trimming of the suppor beam.

whatever........i have no physical proof that the roof will actually collapse....only deductive logic and laws of physics.

i dont know any MSP with a sunroof that was involved in a roll-over collision.
......although i know of one that jumped up 5 feet going 120 mph that had a sunroof, but he didnt flip over........only his whole roof missaligned.

 

[chuyler1]

Any legit business that does this kind of work would not just go hacking up safety parts like it was nothing.

Any business would be happy to take your money and hack up your car...you'd be surprised.

 

[Protege52003]

......if you want a sun-roof, get one!

if you are going to roll your car, i don't think having a sun-roof will really make a difference....

my $ .02

-R

 

[Dr.Sound]

if you are going to roll your car, i don't think having a sun-roof will really make a difference....

my $ .02

-R

did u like miss every post i made?

 

[D-rock240]

Any business would be happy to take your money and hack up your car...you'd be surprised.

I know a mechanic who tricked a customer into a new perfomance exhaust.

The customer brought his car in to have the timing belt replaced, and the mechanic started pressuring him to get a new exhaust. The customer told him that he didn't want to do anything to the exhaust unless it needed it (the exhaust was fine).

So the customer left to go to work, and the mechanic then took a blow torch to the pipe and put a softball-size hole in it. When the customer came to pickup the car and started it up, the car was ten times louder. The customer was pretty pissed, saying "It sure as hell wasn't that loud before!" The mechanic convinced the customer that while he was test driving it there must have been a pothole he drove over, and offered $200 off the exhaust.

The customer figured that it must have been a freak occurance and accepted the deal. Some mechanics will bend the rules in order to get your money.

 

[Notorious]

Seriously, did you read anything or did you just make a post.

......if you want a sun-roof, get one!

if you are going to roll your car, i don't think having a sun-roof will really make a difference....

my $ .02

-R

 

[UnNaturalinc]

Yeah, there's more to it than "just getting one". There's generally a right and wrong way to do most anything.

 

[jurgs01]

/Americans achieving all time low scores on reading comprehension section of SAT/

 

[Dr.Sound]

^ lol

 

[evolv]

In defence to the DONT PUT A SUNROOF IN.. heres something to fathom.

The 1st gen RX-7 was available as an after market convertible. One company did an exceptionally good job with the conversion. In order to keep the structural integrity, they stripped everything out of the car and re-inforced the floor with cross members. 3 to be exact.

With the beams and added roll bar, body twisting was kept to a minimum and the car handled like a dream.

Anything you do to the roof of a car reduces the structural integrity. In order to maintain that strength you must increase support elsewhere. This is why the RX-8 and the 2006 Miata's are structurally supported in the floor. If you're serious about the sun roof / moon roof... whatever... you better be thinking of increasing the strength of the cars body to prevent twisting, especially during a crash or worse a roll over.

The spicy that rolled (see pics above) didn't end up with a crushed roof because there is a beam in the roof, but because that beam is structurally connected to the B pillars which are connected to the unibody floor.

 

[Tito1]

Maybe not taking you car into a ditch, or getting into a situation to roll the car multiple times would be a start.Wtf are you guys doing to your cars. Now I know I wasn't there, but man, the driver has got to be responsible for something if they are getting into crashes that severe.
I've driven with all kinds of folks...and we never ended up in a flipped vehicle. Maybe your driving like the Explorer/blown tire folks. Hit a bump...get scarred...turn the wheel violently into a ditch. Does this sound familiar???
I think this is what protege52003 meant. Not flipping in the first place is the best way not to 'walk away or die.'

I don't doubt the sunroof argument, but again, the sunroof isn't what makes your car go flip de' flip.