Sunroof

[jurgs01]

I was going about 10 MPH over the speed limit during my roll over. I came around a corner, car was in my lane coming head on, swerved to avoid head-on collision, hit a fence/ditch and started rolling. Could have happened to anyone. The only thing I did wrong was going too fast. I was not going that fast though.

 

[marashka]

Maybe not taking you car into a ditch, or getting into a situation to roll the car multiple times would be a start.Wtf are you guys doing to your cars. Now I know I wasn't there, but man, the driver has got to be responsible for something if they are getting into crashes that severe.
I've driven with all kinds of folks...and we never ended up in a flipped vehicle. Maybe your driving like the Explorer/blown tire folks. Hit a bump...get scarred...turn the wheel violently into a ditch. Does this sound familiar???
I think this is what protege52003 meant. Not flipping in the first place is the best way not to 'walk away or die.'

I don't doubt the sunroof argument, but again, the sunroof isn't what makes your car go flip de' flip.

pardon my rudeness, but ignorance is overfilling your post. Some situations you can not control, like a deer jumping out in front of your car on a one way canyon without any type of fence to protect you from falling over the edge. i would like to hear you talk after you survive a crash like that one of dr.sound's.

As much as I enjoyed sunroofs on all of my previous cars, I would never install one at a cost of altering a support beam, after seeing Dr.Sound's car in person. ANY alteration to that beam would undoubtedly collapse the roof, and the driver would not just get out of the car and clime back up a ~150 feet back to the road on his own after rolling numerous times.

If one wishes to get a sunroof on an msp there is no convincing him otherwise, some people will only learn on their own mistakes, and will never accept wiser and more experienced advice

 

[Mysta316]

dude, as the car rolls the forces are applied on the sides first, if there is no beam going across to connect the sides (like the beam in the roof) THEY WILL COLLAPSE!

so OK, u will not suffer direct head injury, it will just squish you from the side and fold over you......i guess it will break you neck and rib cage first.

I did not say anything about taking that beam out. I said there is enough room to put on in while leaving that beam in.

I worked at a car rental company in the maintenance dept. and we got rolled over cars all the time. We had a bad one not that long ago, a Pontiac G6 with the sun roof that goes all the way from the front to the back. "no beam in the middle" and the roof was not smashed. it was doing 70mph down the freeway when the front tire blew out the driver lost control and the car flipped over 2 times. the sun roof was open and all the driver and passengers got were a few bumps.

and on a side note, what made you go off the side of the road in the first place?

 

[Notorious]

Yeah, because I'm sure Dr. Sound got up in the morning and said "I'm going to flip my car today."

Maybe not taking you car into a ditch, or getting into a situation to roll the car multiple times would be a start.Wtf are you guys doing to your cars. Now I know I wasn't there, but man, the driver has got to be responsible for something if they are getting into crashes that severe.
I've driven with all kinds of folks...and we never ended up in a flipped vehicle. Maybe your driving like the Explorer/blown tire folks. Hit a bump...get scarred...turn the wheel violently into a ditch. Does this sound familiar???
I think this is what protege52003 meant. Not flipping in the first place is the best way not to 'walk away or die.'

I don't doubt the sunroof argument, but again, the sunroof isn't what makes your car go flip de' flip.

 

[Crock]

Maybe not taking you car into a ditch, or getting into a situation to roll the car multiple times would be a start.Wtf are you guys doing to your cars. Now I know I wasn't there, but man, the driver has got to be responsible for something if they are getting into crashes that severe.
I've driven with all kinds of folks...and we never ended up in a flipped vehicle. Maybe your driving like the Explorer/blown tire folks. Hit a bump...get scarred...turn the wheel violently into a ditch. Does this sound familiar???
I think this is what protege52003 meant. Not flipping in the first place is the best way not to 'walk away or die.'

I don't doubt the sunroof argument, but again, the sunroof isn't what makes your car go flip de' flip.

Open your mind and realize that there are a countless number of situations that could happen on the road at any time.

My rollover was not caused in any way by my driving too fast or dangerously. Someone decided to run a stop sign which caused the driver next to me, who was going in the same direction as me, to swerve into my lane....hitting my front quarterpanel. I had nowhere to go because this road has no shoulder. The angle at which his car hit mine somehow rolled my car over.

At the moment of impact I was going ~30 and the speed limit was 45.

 

[Protege52003]

did u like miss every post i made?

i did read all posts before i made my statement......

That beam in the roof is far enough back that you could put a sun roof in no problem, with out cutting that beam. the spot ware the sun roof would go is just sheet metal.

this was quoted and i should have said this in my post.

Seriously, did you read anything or did you just make a post.

i sure did notorious


i think any aftermarket place would install the moon/sun roof infront of the cross beam and would not cut through it.......

sorry in my post before......

 

[Notorious]

^^ ahh, I see your point. But where would the motor go? If you can fit a small sunroof there without cutting into the beam, great. But most places I believe would just trim the support to fit the motor in there.

 

[Dr.Sound]

Yeah, because I'm sure Dr. Sound got up in the morning and said "I'm going to flip my car today."

LMAO!

pardon my rudeness, but ignorance is overfilling your post. Some situations you can not control, like a deer jumping out in front of your car on a one way canyon without any type of fence to protect you from falling over the edge. i would like to hear you talk after you survive a crash like that one of dr.sound's.

As much as I enjoyed sunroofs on all of my previous cars, I would never install one at a cost of altering a support beam, after seeing Dr.Sound's car in person. ANY alteration to that beam would undoubtedly collapse the roof, and the driver would not just get out of the car and clime back up a ~150 feet back to the road on his own after rolling numerous times.

If one wishes to get a sunroof on an msp there is no convincing him otherwise, some people will only learn on their own mistakes, and will never accept wiser and more experienced advice

and any of you guys that are contemplating on getting a sunroof.......i'll give you the exact location of the ravine where my car is STILL lying (2 years later), go see it. if that doesnt change your mind then this thread sure won't.

 

[Protege52003]

The Thread Question:

Guys,

Do SPEED come with standard sunroof?

Thanks

we got a little off topic to the initial question in regards to safety but i am sure having a sunroof correctly installed is not going to cause any structural damage to the car.....

-R

 

[ottawaP5]

LMAO!




and any of you guys that are contemplating on getting a sunroof.......i'll give you the exact location of the ravine where my car is STILL lying (2 years later), go see it. if that doesnt change your mind then this thread sure won't.

They never got it out of there somehow?

 

[UnNaturalinc]

and any of you guys that are contemplating on getting a sunroof.......i'll give you the exact location of the ravine where my car is STILL lying (2 years later), go see it. if that doesnt change your mind then this thread sure won't.

Are you serious!? LOL That's awesome. If it was any closer I'd come get some parts off it.... I need an extra set of brake calipers.

 

[Notorious]

^ haha its pretty much stripped. Although there is a motor halfway up the hill that couldn't be dragged all the way up.

 

[Protege52003]

They never got it out of there somehow?

car is probably stripped.

 

[murph1379]

.........LMAO @ n00bs who dont know how to use search.

hey murph1379, see that bar? it saved my life.

why do u think top of the line model like MSP didnt come with sunroof from factory?
because engeneers there did not feel safe putting one on.
sunroof company will make u sign a waiver limiting their responsibility.
they will only cover leaks, not you compressed spine.

See, that's the kind of evidence I was looking for. I take it the roof beam connects the two B-pillars? My sunroof ends at about the B-pillars, but it obviously would cut through it. I can, however, feel four bars going across the roof behind the sunroof. I'm not sure exactly what they did in there, but maybe I should call and ask.

My whole point is that it's stupid to write it off as sunroof = bad, unless you have some concrete knowledge to back it up!

 

[Dr.Sound]

what do u meanby concrete knowledge?
i dont and cant know what they did in there.
if they reinforced it (which i doubt) than good for you.

the bars u might be feeling are motor and gearing assembly supports, which just hold the moving pieces in place and do nothing for structural integrity.

they did not have to cut the whole beam out to mess up regidity, they just had to trim a piece of it off.

u really seem to want to be right, good for you.......get concrete knowledge yourself about what they did in here, THEN come back and tell us.

 

[ottawaP5]

I know this is off topic, but does anyone know if a roof rack would help during a rollover?

 

[Dr.Sound]

no, it would be one of the first things to fall off.

 

[Notorious]

Consider this. The glass you see is only part of the sunroof. The motor is also wedged in there and so it a place for the glass to slide back. For all that to fit it is likely the beam will have to be trimmed. If not, that is great, but all the people that I personally know that got a sunroof had to get the reinforcement trimmed.

See, that's the kind of evidence I was looking for. I take it the roof beam connects the two B-pillars? My sunroof ends at about the B-pillars, but it obviously would cut through it. I can, however, feel four bars going across the roof behind the sunroof. I'm not sure exactly what they did in there, but maybe I should call and ask.

My whole point is that it's stupid to write it off as sunroof = bad, unless you have some concrete knowledge to back it up!

 

[UnNaturalinc]

 

[ottawaP5]

thats a quality job!