Stock MS3 vs RSX-S

tritonheat1 · Jan 22, 2007

stock vs stock u'll murder him but if he has I/H/E and Hondata Reflash #4. I think he might get u!! here's a video of a 02-04 RSX's with I/H/E, Hondata Reflash #4 and The trunk Gutted!! it goes from 15-125mph in 16-17sec also so i don't know http://videos.streetfire.net/search/15-125mph/0/c567c79e-3438-4021-ac16-165ceee35020.htm Enjoy!!

Airmack · Jan 22, 2007

Man, this is lively!

It is going to be a while before I race him, we just got dumped with snow and I think more is coming, so this will give me more time to get stuff for my car. But, I don't understand how that thing is even as fast as it is with such low torque... I mean the type S and the regular engine have the same torque... and power is made at like 5000 rpm...

Anyone know the top speed of the RSX-S?

matsuda · Jan 22, 2007

mmm said:
yea the type -s with the usual bolt ons ; intake ,exhaust ,headers will do mid 13 s

Yes, with Hondata and a few bolt-ons, it is a 13 second car.

It is hilarious that everyone is quoting HP numbers. Using that line of reasoning, a Honda Odyssey minivan (which has 240 HP) will beat a RSX-S.

matsuda · Jan 22, 2007

Airmack said:
I don't understand how that thing is even as fast as it is with such low torque... I mean the type S and the regular engine have the same torque... and power is made at like 5000 rpm...

Perhaps you don't fully understand the relationship between HP and torque.

The Honda is switching over to the high-lift cam at the same time that the MS3 is running out of breath.

If (hypothetically speaking) the Honda could maintain it's modest torque up to a redline of 10,000 RPM, it wouldn't even be close.

Gandalf · Jan 22, 2007

mmm said:
yea the type -s with the usual bolt ons ; intake ,exhaust ,headers will do mid 13 s

Lol, only if "usually bolt ons" is a suprcharger and drag slicks. What are you smoking? Its a 15.1 second car base. My old Spec-V could take one for god sakes.

Airmack · Jan 22, 2007

I just don't get V-TEC...

RPI-Speed3 · Jan 23, 2007

matsuda said:
Perhaps you don't fully understand the relationship between HP and torque.

The Honda is switching over to the high-lift cam at the same time that the MS3 is running out of breath.

If (hypothetically speaking) the Honda could maintain it's modest torque up to a redline of 10,000 RPM, it wouldn't even be close.

No way, not even a chance. My other car is low torque (RX-8) and what you are missing is that from 0-7000 rpms the car has nothing there. Now granted my RX-8 revs faster due to light flywheel and tuning, but it still takes some time to get there. Even when I hit my peak torque, I don't think its more than 140 ft/lbs to the wheels, maybe 150. Meanwhile, the MS3 is putting down massive torque @ 3000 rpms.

RPI-Speed3 · Jan 23, 2007

Speed_Racer said:
yes, i've ***** a couple rsx's, & tsx's at 4psi. but anyways

One of my best friends has an 02 RSX S, and he spent about 3K on a Cybernation turbo kit and just recently dynoed at 366hp@9-9.5psi.

they're really neat cars, i'd drive one.

get the heck out, are you serious? that car goes from 200hp to 366hp with a turbo running 9psi? i want to see that dyno sheet. no disrespect, but until i do :bs:

Pyr0TeK · Jan 23, 2007

...second :bs: flag flying here...

Maybe it's a T-80? hehe... lol.. uhhh... not.

Hyun · Jan 23, 2007

No contest. Friend of mine has 06 Type S and I recently purchased speed 3. Gave him 2 car length. By 3rd gear he was behind me. Honda just have no torque. No disrespect tho.

PS. He said it wasnt fair race because his car was not turbo charged. We paid same amt of money for our cars and he has to put couple more grand to keep up with me xD.

Pyr0TeK · Jan 23, 2007

Hyun said:
No contest. Friend of mine has 06 Type S and I recently purchased speed 3. Gave him 2 car length. By 3rd gear he was behind me. Honda just have no torque. No disrespect tho.

PS. He said it wasnt fair race because his car was not turbo charged. We paid same amt of money for our cars and he has to put couple more grand to keep up with me xD.

YAY!... exactly... best car for the HP's and $$$

FlyinHawaiian · Jan 23, 2007

Yo, seriously... I've driven both a Type-S and my friend's Sentra SE-R, and pounded both of them to see how fast. The Type-S didn't feel any faster than the SE-R, which I know is a 14-ish second car. Hell, I keep up with him in my NA Protege.

And don't get me started on the superb handling of the RSX (or should I say the lack of). I threw it into a turn that I take all the time in my car at no higher of a speed or ferocity. The nose pushed and then the back snapped away and gave me a surprising (but well controlled) drift around the corner. Scared the crap out of me.

I hate those cars...

matsuda · Jan 23, 2007

RPI-Speed3 said:
No way, not even a chance. My other car is low torque (RX-8) and what you are missing is that from 0-7000 rpms the car has nothing there. Now granted my RX-8 revs faster due to light flywheel and tuning, but it still takes some time to get there. Even when I hit my peak torque, I don't think its more than 140 ft/lbs to the wheels, maybe 150. Meanwhile, the MS3 is putting down massive torque @ 3000 rpms.

The bottom line is that HP/weight (not torque) is what really matters for acceleration.

With more torque, you may be able to accelerate faster out of the hole (assuming that you can get traction) but a car with a better HP/weight ratio would catch up once it is operating in it's powerband.

A Lotus Exige produces even less torque than a RSX-S. Do you really think that the MS3 could beat it in a drag race?

Rotary_Powered · Jan 23, 2007

Top speed : 145 mph
0-60 mph : 6.7 sec.('02-'04), 6.5 sec.('05)
0- mile : 15.2 sec @ 92.7 mph('02-'04)
60-0 braking distance : 135 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.86 g

Curb Weight : 2769-2840 lbs

avarela86 · Jan 23, 2007

The MS3 should win hands down. Specially if it will be modded. If the RSX was modded you may see him get close.

Mocoso · Jan 24, 2007

matsuda said:
The bottom line is that HP/weight (not torque) is what really matters for acceleration.

With more torque, you may be able to accelerate faster out of the hole (assuming that you can get traction) but a car with a better HP/weight ratio would catch up once it is operating in it's powerband.

A Lotus Exige produces even less torque than a RSX-S. Do you really think that the MS3 could beat it in a drag race?

I agree with your post except you make it seem as if torque doesnt matter for acceleration.. reality is that both HP and Torque play an important role in acceleration...marketing folks at car companies would love us to forget power to weight ratios... you see all this HP numbers thrown out and nobody mentions weight. (think Dodge Charger....)

redrims · Jan 24, 2007

tru-boost said:
an rsx-s is like a 15 sec car with bolt ons ! the ms3 does 14.2 on a bad day and one aussie owner had hown consecutive 13.9 passes ...all stock.

You must seen some terrible drivers in those RXS's. With just I/H/E and new clutch, my friend ran very low 14s.

Either way, you should win. I'm sure the MS3 can pull high 13s stock with a good driver.

matsuda said:
Yes, with Hondata and a few bolt-ons, it is a 13 second car.

Hondata does wonders. Wish they messed with Mazdas.

redrims · Jan 24, 2007

RPI-Speed3 said:
get the heck out, are you serious? that car goes from 200hp to 366hp with a turbo running 9psi? i want to see that dyno sheet. no disrespect, but until i do :bs:

That's completely true. That cybernation kit is rediculous. I've seen 310hp at just 7psi. Too bad they didn't use better product. I'll try to find some sheets.

zoom-zoomhatch · Jan 24, 2007

Gandalf said:
Lol, only if "usually bolt ons" is a suprcharger and drag slicks. What are you smoking? Its a 15.1 second car base. My old Spec-V could take one for god sakes.

If your raced a type S from a stop in a spec V you should have got him off the line and then he would have passed you about 3rd-4th. And I've seen quite a few fast rsx's. There's a guy living in town with not a very large turbo kit making well over 400, that k20 responds really well to some mods.

redrims · Jan 24, 2007

These are just "Stage 1" Cybernation kits: (there are better kits out now)

389whp 270wtq

350WHP CN1 RSX-S...(Video) http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=396390&highlight=cybernation+dyno

Stage 1 Completely stock block...

At 9psi 330whp 220wtq http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=269957

I could go on and on...

2006 Civic Si for giggles...372hp http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=434537&highlight=dyno

Stock MS3 vs RSX-S

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