Stock Intake mod..

shaneMazda2000P said:
lol.... if id go to the track i would feel dumb .. all the people that go to the track have classic cars with V8/s and blower motor sticking out the hood.... with tires that stretch the entire lenth of the rear end... they pull 10s and lower.. id be pushing it if i got 17s
Who cares, it's all in good fun. Go out and have a good time. Talk trash to those guys for s**** and giggles...."My Protege is gonna walk all over your Mustang"
 
i do that at bass comps.. people got vans and mustangs that bump pretty hard, they feel stupid when a protege can hit harder with 2 12 Diamond Audio M6.. then at that they are 300 watt rms under powered, i am only pushing 500 rms , they are rated for 800 rms... one of these days ill go to the track, it is an hour drive soo one wednesday ill be bored and go
 
shaneMazda2000P said:
i do that at bass comps.. people got vans and mustangs that bump pretty hard, they feel stupid when a protege can hit harder with 2 12 Diamond Audio M6.. then at that they are 300 watt rms under powered, i am only pushing 500 rms , they are rated for 800 rms... one of these days ill go to the track, it is an hour drive soo one wednesday ill be bored and go
Here's some trivial for you. What does RMS stand for, and what does it mean?
 
Gen1GT said:
Here's some trivial for you. What does RMS stand for, and what does it mean?
RMS refers to root mean square.
RMS voltage = the square root of the voltage squared.
It refers to the most common mathematical method of defining the effective voltage or current of an AC waveform. This does not apply to DC circuits.

For example, in a sine wave the AC voltage rises to a maximum peak positive value, falls to the zero point and then rises to a maximum peak negative value. Because the voltage level is constantly varying according to its frequency in Hertz, there must be a constant effective voltage level that can be specified to describe the voltage level. This is the RMS voltage.

To further clarify, the peak voltage in a sine wave is the RMS voltage x the square root of 2 (1.414). So in a nominal 120 volt RMS AC house circuit, the peak voltage actually varies between 0 and ~170 volts positive and 0 and ~170 volts negative.
 
goldstar said:
RMS refers to root mean square.
RMS voltage = the square root of the voltage squared.
It refers to the most common mathematical method of defining the effective voltage or current of an AC waveform. This does not apply to DC circuits.

For example, in a sine wave the AC voltage rises to a maximum peak positive value, falls to the zero point and then rises to a maximum peak negative value. Because the voltage level is constantly varying according to its frequency in Hertz, there must be a constant effective voltage level that can be specified to describe the voltage level. This is the RMS voltage.

To further clarify, the peak voltage in a sine wave is the RMS voltage x the square root of 2 (1.414). So in a nominal 120 volt RMS AC house circuit, the peak voltage actually varies between 0 and ~170 volts positive and 0 and ~170 volts negative.
Your textbook answer is correct, but it also applies to DC. Just not directly. The signal a car audio amplifier amplifies, is an AC signal. Since music is so dynamic, it's impossible to measure it's output in a singular fashion. The wattage output is measuring using RMS, since musical signals are complex sine waves.
 
(poke) I wanted to share a link to a site I found. I have been reading it and it has a lot of useful information. Even shows how to install the MazdaSpeed Oil Cooler. I thought it was a very informative site. I don't know if it has been posted in the forums before but I thought I might mention it. Shows which parts off other vehicle like engine parts and suspension can be used on our Protege's. Take the info as you may. Didn't know which thread to post it to. If it needs to be moved than please feel free.

http://web2.airmail.net/theman/protegefaq/

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OK guys before anyone gets to full of themselves this case has been proven before, DGM had their ram air hood dyno'd and it did show a few whp gain. Then look at the acosta motorsports RX8 with a ****** swap, they have a friggin 3-4in hole cut into the front of their mazdaspeed bumper to feed a direct pipe into the turbo. that is ram air and functional and I'm sure it will show at least a little gain over having the air for the turbo coming from inside the engine bay like most of the time where the heat is.

as for home made ram air setups for our car, I doubt a hp gain will happen, maybe smoothen out the acceleration so you feel like there is more power but there really isnt.
 
p5sundevil said:
OK guys before anyone gets to full of themselves this case has been proven before, DGM had their ram air hood dyno'd and it did show a few whp gain. Then look at the acosta motorsports RX8 with a ****** swap, they have a friggin 3-4in hole cut into the front of their mazdaspeed bumper to feed a direct pipe into the turbo. that is ram air and functional and I'm sure it will show at least a little gain over having the air for the turbo coming from inside the engine bay like most of the time where the heat is.

as for home made ram air setups for our car, I doubt a hp gain will happen, maybe smoothen out the acceleration so you feel like there is more power but there really isnt.
You can't 'ram air' a turbo set up. The turbine and the turbine alone controls the amount of air feeding the engine. It will always draw in more air than the speed you're going anyway. The hole in the front is just to allow for the least restriction possible.
 
p5sundevil said:
OK guys before anyone gets to full of themselves this case has been proven before, DGM had their ram air hood dyno'd and it did show a few whp gain. Then look at the acosta motorsports RX8 with a ****** swap, they have a friggin 3-4in hole cut into the front of their mazdaspeed bumper to feed a direct pipe into the turbo. that is ram air and functional and I'm sure it will show at least a little gain over having the air for the turbo coming from inside the engine bay like most of the time where the heat is.

as for home made ram air setups for our car, I doubt a hp gain will happen, maybe smoothen out the acceleration so you feel like there is more power but there really isnt.

You said it yourself, it is not grabbing hot air it is grabbing colder air from outside. Colder Air helps in making more power. Maybe thats why I have the filter mounted in front away from the heat. My set up is like ram air but I mostley did it for the cold air.
 
Gen1GT said:
You can't 'ram air' a turbo set up. The turbine and the turbine alone controls the amount of air feeding the engine. It will always draw in more air than the speed you're going anyway. The hole in the front is just to allow for the least restriction possible.
This is not true. High performance piston-engined aircraft that used superchargers, 2-stage set-ups using turbos blowing into superchargers (such as the P-38 Lightning) or turbochargers alone all made use of ram air to increase the the inlet air density at the inlet to the blower. Since the forward velocity of high speed aircraft actually generated a positive boost independent of the blower, the inlet air was already above atmospheric at low altitudes or above the density/pressure altitude at any given flight level. The increased air density at the blower inlet (over and above that which would have occurred without ram) added to the increase in density due to the blower alone yielding a greater blower output air density than would have been possible without ram.

At this point you're probably laughing your head off since obviously at the road speeds our vehicles travel, positive boost will never be achieved from forward velocity alone. That's correct, but remember that inlet air density is primarily a function of two factors: pressure and temperature. Considering just the effect of pressure alone, it has been demonstrated that well-designed ram air systems on passenger cars can lead to a reduction in negative pressure in the inlet duct such that both the blower intake air density and cosequently the blower output air density is measureably increased over that possible without ram. In some cases, the use of ram has resulted in the onset of detonation in blown vehicles because of the resultant increased air density in the combustion chamber, as compared with the same vehicle w/o ram.

In fact, one passenger car ram air design was able to provide positive pressure in the inlet duct up to the atmosphere side of the air filter in most driving modes at higher speeds. Since this particular car was turboed, unwanted detonation was produced. The increased inlet air density due both to ram air and ambient temperature air clearly shows that the statement, "The turbine and the turbine alone controls the amount of air feeding the engine.", does not hold up. It's not the AMOUNT of air drawn in by the engine but rather its DENSITY that determines HP output.

Finally, I know that this is an NA thread but the beneficial effects of increasing air inlet density and providing air at the ambient temperature is equally applicable to FI or NA engines.

Incidently, if necessary I can provide references for every statement I have made in this post.

02 DX Millenium Red
 
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