SRT4 Thread !!!!

It will be interesting to see how the SRT-4 does in CASC, NASA and SCCA competitions.

IMHO the ITR is the best Sport Compact ever made. I form my opinion based on their track record and first hand experience with the car. I've competed with various FWD cars and the ITR is just magic.

The Neons, love them or hate them have proven themselves in amateur motorsport. The old ACR's and RT's were quick cars.

I'd be skeptical about buying one. The build quality just isn't there.

I think the SRT-4 is a pretty cool car but I wouldn't buy one. I wouldn't necessarily buy a MazdaSpeed either.
 
Quality of the 2nd gen Neon is far ahead of the 1st gen cars and pretty much at par with most of the others cars in it's class. The ACR's were very competitive with the ITR's a few yrs back. But given the choice, I'd take the ITR for sure!
 
Whats an ITR?

Also, JMS'sMSP what the hell does an evolution have to do with the neon vs MSP debate?
 
ITR = Integra Type R, the second best-handling FWD sport compact car (after the MSP, of course ;) ).

I too don't understand this animosity towards the SRT-4. Come on guys, would you rather it be 10 years ago when there were next to no choices for the sport compact enthusiast? Now we have tons of cars to choose from: RSX, Celica, WRX and 2.5 RS, Spec V, MSP, SRT-4, Civic SiR, Tiburon, etc. Its a good time to be alive and a car enthusiast!

The idiotic and childish comments regarding other competitors cars are ridiculous. For the most part, this is a fairly mature forum. Lets try to keep it that way kids. :rolleyes:
 
thanks my purple friend!

Just anote, the MP3 is 205 as well. I thought the srt4 was 195? Guess not, I haven't read much about it. I got a magazine at work with it, I'll check next time I see it.
 
1st MP3 in NH said:
Whats an ITR?

Also, JMS'sMSP what the hell does an evolution have to do with the neon vs MSP debate?

It is my response to an earlier comment by BadDSM.

Read the whole thread.
 
I did read the entire thread and a picture of the evolution has no point in the debate between you and badDSM comparing the SRT/4 to the MSP.
 
Let's debate this. Something, we can all agree on.

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1st MP3 in NH said:
I did read the entire thread and a picture of the evolution has no point in the debate between you and badDSM comparing the SRT/4 to the MSP.

alright look clueless, He thinks the SRT is so awesome I will be seeing the rear alot... ok you with me so far?? So I am doing the same to him he will be seeing the rear of the evolution when it comes out because it is by far the best of the 4-door sports compacts... Get it or do I need to draw you a map???
 
I understand your intension, but it has no point in the discussion that was at hand. He post the pic to show you what you would see. The potential use of your picture would be if you were getting the Evolution, which you are not thus it is irrelevant to the conversation.

Also I am sure the members at i-club.com would want to talk to you about the evolution being the best sport compact.

Another interesting thing is you seem to hate dodge yet like Mits. Didn't Dondge and Mists share a crap load of part and continue to do so?

Learned how to have a conversation.
Maybe you just need to take your ridaline
 
I do hate Dodge and just because I put a pic of a lancer on the board does not mean I like it or am getting one. At the same time if he is getting an SRT that is all the more reason his thread shouldnt have been on this website...

Stop trying to find fault in my conversations with other people and mind your own f-ing buisness..

Also look at the numbers which is the root of any discussion about what is the "best" the Evo has the SRT and any other competitor beat in every category.
 
JMS'sMSP said:
I do hate Dodge and just because I put a pic of a lancer on the board does not mean I like it or am getting one. At the same time if he is getting an SRT that is all the more reason his thread shouldnt have been on this website...

It is in the correct forum, being off topic and anyhting has place here not just what you appove of.

JMS'sMSP said:

Stop trying to find fault in my conversations with other people and mind your own f-ing buisness..

Anything that is said on this board is my buisness as it is any other members. If you want a private conversation then use PM. Otherwise don't be suprised to see others commenting.

JMS'sMSP said:

Also look at the numbers which is the root of any discussion about what is the "best" the Evo has the SRT and any other competitor beat in every category.

Except price! The Neon is only $20,000 the Evolution will be over $30K and will be in the same class as the 350Z not with the MSP or neon. Via your logic the I could post a pic of the Maclaren F1 as being the better of the evolution. It is, but that is irrelavent.
 
JMS'sMSP said:


Also look at the numbers which is the root of any discussion about what is the "best" the Evo has the SRT and any other competitor beat in every category.

I'd keep that little comment to yourself until we see what the WRX STI is capable of, the Evo isn't as great as everyone thinks.
For 750 bucks all you need is an ECU reflash and you'll be running mid 13s in a normal WRX, easily beating an EVO which is running high 13s, plus you can get WRX's for around 21-22 thousand now since the new body style will be coming out soon.
 
Hey solak321,

have you been fallowing the STI at all. I did a little bit and there were rumrs that Subaru will have the STI engine production out sourced. Do you have any other info on this?
 
JMS'sMSP said:


alright look clueless, He thinks the SRT is so awesome I will be seeing the rear alot... ok you with me so far?? So I am doing the same to him he will be seeing the rear of the evolution when it comes out because it is by far the best of the 4-door sports compacts... Get it or do I need to draw you a map???

Obviously you have failed to grasp the notion that the SRT4 and the MSP are competitively priced.
As for you displaying the EVO picture as some sort of retort....
Two can play that game..
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Whew...

Not that this is relevant or anything, but I went and drove a Black Neon SRT-4 this weekend at Wilson Dodge here in Jackson, MS.

They had 2 cars in stock, Black and Yellow. The Black must have been their demo, since it had about 200 miles on it already. They had it in a line with a bunch of other regular neons, so I got to compare them pretty easily. The Srt's interior is much nicer, both the seats and the general feel for all the guages and everything.

I drove it with the salesman a total of about 40 miles, both on the interstate and a really curvy frontage road that I take my P5 on every day on the way home from work. The car, in all honestly, is really impressive. It handled really well, and even though it was my first time driving it, I felt comfortable pushing it as hard as I push my P5 in the curves... It's easy to drive fast once you are moving, but sort of a challenge from a stop. I've never driven an MP3 so I can't make a comparison there... In slower curves, where you have a chance to put the power down to exit, it will spin the inboard wheel pretty damn hard, with is pretty annoying. It handles really well though, not quite as crisp or accurate as the P5 (Mainly the steering feel) but really well none the less.

From a dead stop, I tried a pretty hard clutch dump at about 2500RPM's, nothing but wheel-spin, a little hop, and then a scary amount of torque steer till about 4500RPM's or so. (I think mainly because of the tires slipping the whole way there.) It pulls like a fiend though, especially through 2nd and 3rd gears in the higher RPM ranges. You can hear the turbo clearly, as well as the exhaust. At highway speeds, the exhaust drones pretty loudly, but I am sure with a little more insulation in the trunk, it wouldn't be much of a bother. It's pretty damn fast though, probably a hell of a lot faster than most people realize. In 4th gear & 5th gear, starting at about 80MPH, I went up to ~110MPH in no time at all... The salesman was even egging me on, that boost s*** is addictive. :) It revved nice and smooth, even at high RPM's, something I've never experienced from a dodge product. (Referring to the only smaller dodges I've driven other than the Laser, and eclipse: Plymouth Duster Turbo, Avenger 4cyl, and an Lebaron convt.)

Anyways, I liked the interior pretty well. It is fairly nice, easy to read, and has some really comfortable/supportive seats. They seem to wrap around you really tight in the lumbar region and sit really well, good stuff. The steering wheel felt sort of awkward at first (bulky feeling), but I got accustomed to it pretty quick.

Overall, I would say that for the money, that car kicks ass. They were asking MSRP at Wilson, and that was even if I ordered one... The fit and finish seemed ok... I don't like the wing, but other than that the car looks decent. But for the Power to $ ratio, that thing is gonna be hard to beat. I think this car will help to raise the horsepower bar for all the other companies that make sport compact, and while I wouldn't buy the neon, I'm glad they brought it out. Anyways, if you got any questions about the car let me know.... if I can remember I'll be glad to contribute. Hell, if I could find a MSP to drive around here at a dealership, I would love to be able to compare the two... maybe one day. ;)
 
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The best thing about this neon is that now Mazda's next MAzdaspeed has to have at least 230 hp :)

It's all Good baby!
 

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