SKYACTIV II with HCCI to debut within weeks

[GJ-Molestor]

Ironically, doing this kind of thing is exactly what a Mazda is made for, except some fugger in a civic went flying by me on a crazy curving downhill. He locked onto my back and I was borderline comfortable taking the curves although the bigger part was that they were blind and often a single-lane. He had no such concerns. I was impressed actually that a beater civic could do that kind of thing but not impressed enough to try.

The weak link lays in the driver.

If an old civic can take those corners, imagine what your new Mazda can do.

 

[Buzzman12]

Not sure why this is such a foreign concept? Oh that's right, it just give you an excuse to "spew s***" all over this forum to use someone else's phrase. Your previous post was nothing but a troll post that contributed nothing to the thread except apparently calling us all delusional because we can actually enjoy driving our CX-5. You really are a piece of work.

Edit: And what's hilarious is the "fun to drive" thread over on the CR-V forums.
Truly funny.

This conversation has got me thinking.
Maybe I'll create an account over on the CR-V forum(s), and start shitting all over Honda every chance I get.
I wonder what kind of feedback I'll get. Hmmm. Tempting.

 

[GJ-Molestor]

This conversation has got me thinking.
Maybe I'll create an account over on the CR-V forum(s), and start shitting all over Honda every chance I get.
I wonder what kind of feedback I'll get. Hmmm. Tempting.

:lol: what a plan. that's ****** mangos job!

 

[Buzzman12]

:lol: what a plan. that's ****** mangos job!

(dance)

 

[ColoradoDriver]

This conversation has got me thinking.
Maybe I'll create an account over on the CR-V forum(s), and start shitting all over Honda every chance I get.
I wonder what kind of feedback I'll get. Hmmm. Tempting.

Someone else did that, no idea who and can't remember which thread. He promptly and rightfully got told off as the troll he was.

You can take note Mango.

 

[murky]

I currently drive an Acura 6 cylinder sedan with 225 HP. It has more power than I need, and I often think I'd prefer to exchange some of that for better fuel economy. But the 2017 CX5, the only I have driven, seems to have gone a bit too far in the other direction for me.

I'm hoping that the diesel will feel better to drive. I know it puts out less horsepower, and is slower 0-60, but I've noticed that what I really care about is 0-30 or 0-40, and also, it isn't so much that the CX5 takes too long, but that I don't want to rev up to 6000 RPM and sound like I'm trying to race, when I just want to get off the line in a manner that doesn't feel grandmotherly. Its probably psychological, but I like the feeling of getting going with just a bit of oomph while feeling like I'm not hard revving.

The other advantage of the diesel, will be presumably a significantly longer cruising range (mitigated only a bit by being more important not to run dry).

 

[Kaps]

I currently drive an Acura 6 cylinder sedan with 225 HP. It has more power than I need, and I often think I'd prefer to exchange some of that for better fuel economy. But the 2017 CX5, the only I have driven, seems to have gone a bit too far in the other direction for me.

I'm hoping that the diesel will feel better to drive. I know it puts out less horsepower, and is slower 0-60, but I've noticed that what I really care about is 0-30 or 0-40, and also, it isn't so much that the CX5 takes too long, but that I don't want to rev up to 6000 RPM and sound like I'm trying to race, when I just want to get off the line in a manner that doesn't feel grandmotherly. Its probably psychological, but I like the feeling of getting going with just a bit of oomph while feeling like I'm not hard revving.

The other advantage of the diesel, will be presumably a significantly longer cruising range (mitigated only a bit by being more important not to run dry).

Then the diesel wont suit you either. 2.5L CX5 is 10% faster 0-30 than 17 CRV. Its 0-30 times (2.5L) is going to be far better than Diesel.
If that is what you care for - dont waste time waiting on diesel. It will be slower to 30, it will be slower by .5 secs or more to 60. Torque (rolling hills and the ease to crest them) and towing is where diesel >> 2.5L. Also fuel economy.
From what you are saying you either have to go for more expensive ones - probably starting with 35K base and building up or you can get a pre owned non supported Rav4 EV.

 

[Xeler8ing]

So does it suck or is it adequate? I don't understand.

For the smaller Mazda 6, the 2.5L is fun. For the cuz-5, it's merely adequate at most. So I get where you're coming from.

The Mazda 6 is not smaller but weighs less than the CX-5. But I get your point.

Over here, if the 2.5L powerplant was that much of any issue in this new model CX-5 with all the extra weight added (40kg/88lbs) then it wouldn't be selling as well as it is and all the reviewers here would be complaining about it's lack of power. As it turns out, only a few if not some are. The CX-5 is classified as a good SUV here.

Having the torque figures of 276-326NM plus a decent increase in power from this new SkyActiv X engine would make the CX-5 even better.

 

[dyingquail]

The weak link lays in the driver.

If an old civic can take those corners, imagine what your new Mazda can do.

I think it had more to do with a 20-year old driver vs a not 20-year old driver. One of us wanted to get down fast, the other just wanted to make sure he got down. These were really tight corners, blind and no where to go at the speed he was taking them should some unfortunate soul have been coming up the mountain.

 

[Unobtanium]

Then the diesel wont suit you either. 2.5L CX5 is 10% faster 0-30 than 17 CRV. Its 0-30 times (2.5L) is going to be far better than Diesel.
If that is what you care for - dont waste time waiting on diesel. It will be slower to 30, it will be slower by .5 secs or more to 60. Torque (rolling hills and the ease to crest them) and towing is where diesel >> 2.5L. Also fuel economy.
From what you are saying you either have to go for more expensive ones - probably starting with 35K base and building up or you can get a pre owned non supported Rav4 EV.

My main interest in a diesel is long-term viability. I know in trucks, they sure as hell last a lot longer, as the entire driveline is built beefier, as well as the internals of the engine. I do not know if that would apply to a CX5 though. Also, diesel is 10% more expensive where I'm at vs. 87.

 

[Buzzman12]

If this is old news, then I apologize, but I just read in the car section of my local paper that Toyota and Mazda have entered into a billion dollar (plus) agreement to build a new assembly plant in the U.S.
Location has not been determined, but both Companies are paying half of the cost of the build.
Toyota is also going to suspend their Corolla assembly in Mexico, and will be moving it to the new plant, when it is built.
Toyota is also getting a ten percent stake in Mazda.
I'm guessing here, but it seems that this opens the door for Mazda to use Toyota's hybrid and electric vehicle technology, while Toyota will latch onto the new HCCI engine technology from Mazda.
Sounds like a win/win to me.

 

[Xeler8ing]

If this is old news, then I apologize, but I just read in the car section of my local paper that Toyota and Mazda have entered into a billion dollar (plus) agreement to build a new assembly plant in the U.S.
Location has not been determined, but both Companies are paying half of the cost of the build.
Toyota is also going to suspend their Corolla assembly in Mexico, and will be moving it to the new plant, when it is built.
Toyota is also getting a ten percent stake in Mazda.
I'm guessing here, but it seems that this opens the door for Mazda to use Toyota's hybrid and electric vehicle technology, while Toyota will latch onto the new HCCI engine technology from Mazda.
Sounds like a win/win to me.

So long as Mazda cars with Toyota parts/design etc doesn't turn them into boring appliances that are current Toyota's then it should be good

 

[Buzzman12]

So long as Mazda cars with Toyota parts/design etc doesn't turn them into boring appliances that are current Toyota's then it should be good

ha ha. I hear ya.
Maybe if we're lucky, it will be the other way around: Toyota will stop making appliances, and starts building a car that's actually fun to drive.

 

[mangoconchile]

Look up the car and driver comparo Mazda 6 vs Camry Accord and Malibu. It makes the most torque at the best RPM and smokes each and everyone one of its competitors. So power is clearly not the reason why people aren't buying the Mazda 6. And a faster engine wouldn't boost sales by a huge amount because most people in this category go for the 4 cylinder. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Accord makes 252 lbs of torque, Malibu 260 lbs, Camry makes 267 lbs, the Mazda6 makes...wait for it...185 lbs. Maybe you should understand the difference between power and torque? And if power isn't the reason people aren't buying the 6, then tell me what is? It's a 'fun' and 'peppy' right? Is it poor marketing maybe? Can't be that because you said earlier 'Mazda marketing knows what they're doing'. Here's why it's not selling: It has a noisy cabin, it's under powered and overpriced. Again, why would anyone buy a Mazda6 when you can buy a Camry with a V6 and over 300 HP for the same price? Most people will just get an Accord Touring or Camry XSE(both with a V6).

 

[Xeler8ing]

ha ha. I hear ya.
Maybe if we're lucky, it will be the other way around: Toyota will stop making appliances, and starts building a car that's actually fun to drive.

Maybe (wink)

 

[GJ-Molestor]

Accord makes 252 lbs of torque, Malibu 260 lbs, Camry makes 267 lbs, the Mazda6 makes...wait for it...185 lbs. Maybe you should understand the difference between power and torque? And if power isn't the reason people aren't buying the 6, then tell me what is? It's a 'fun' and 'peppy' right? Is it poor marketing maybe? Can't be that because you said earlier 'Mazda marketing knows what they're doing'. Here's why it's not selling: It has a noisy cabin, it's under powered and overpriced. Again, why would anyone buy a Mazda6 when you can buy a Camry with a V6 and over 300 HP for the same price? Most people will just get an Accord Touring or Camry XSE(both with a V6).

.... you're not comparing base engines to base engines.

We're done here..

 

[Xeler8ing]

Apparently further details on the SkyActiv-X engine are expected to be revealed later this month at a Mazda technology forum, which is set ahead of the Frankfurt motor show in September.

 

[murky]

Accord makes 252 lbs of torque, Malibu 260 lbs, Camry makes 267 lbs, the Mazda6 makes...wait for it...185 lbs. Maybe you should understand the difference between power and torque? And if power isn't the reason people aren't buying the 6, then tell me what is? It's a 'fun' and 'peppy' right? Is it poor marketing maybe? Can't be that because you said earlier 'Mazda marketing knows what they're doing'. Here's why it's not selling: It has a noisy cabin, it's under powered and overpriced. Again, why would anyone buy a Mazda6 when you can buy a Camry with a V6 and over 300 HP for the same price? Most people will just get an Accord Touring or Camry XSE(both with a V6).

Funny that you are lecturing people about understanding torque in a post in which you express torque in units of lbs.

 

[Unobtanium]

Funny that you are lecturing people about understanding torque in a post in which you express torque in units of lbs.

I use lb ft...what's wrong with it? Prefer newton meters?

 

[Xeler8ing]

I use lb ft...what's wrong with it? Prefer newton meters?

We use newton metres