should i buy..

[stars.eg6]

the cobb ap or cpe flash? i like the way my car runs right now. all i really want is my car to stop falling off at 5500 rpms. i was wondering if the hype for the v103 maps are worth it for my car or if i should just buy the flash. here is a quick list of my mods if it makes any difference. cs tbe, turboxs fmic, hks sri, turbosmart dual port, reworked turbo, cdfp. any helpful input from users of either one would help. please dont say "search" because ive been reading and now im just asking for your opinions. thanks in advance.

 

[Bravnik]

I have the Cobb AP running the 103 maps. I say the Cobb. You get something you can hold in your hand, easy upgrade, no shipping your ECU off to never-never land etc.

The 103 maps are nice.

 

[CoolWhip]

Cobb AP for now.

If you start getting into some serious modding (upgraded turbo/forged internals) then get the cp-e for the custome tune.

AP works great for base maps.

Wait nvm, just read your mods. Go with cp-e!

 

[haberdashery]

go with the accessport, they started out slow but in the next year i guarantee that they will take s*** over. im not a fanboi or anything, i just think highly of the accessport, being able to monitor anything you want and being able to read and clear CEL's outweighs the cons for me, as i dont have a dashhawk.

 

[CoolWhip]

Dash Hawk + Standback = AP .... BUT with the exception of custom tunes.

 

[daonly1around]

i thought the standback was tuneable?

 

[mcb]

unless cobb streetuner/racetuner ever goes out, i'm sorry to say that but get rid of your speed3.... there is no "easy way" on these car. if your not willing to spend a few k on bottom end parts, new turbo and tuning time you wont get what you want.

some got result with nitrous/methanol on stock tune and parts...

lets hope a tuner get us a tuning solution before we all get rid of this nice car

Good luck!

 

[phillyb]

go with the piasani flash if you're considering the cpe flash. i've not heard a lot of good things about the full throttle flash. and if you're willing to send your ecu, then get the piasani flash. i've heard nothing but good things about this.

now, i was in this cats car who has 103 maps installed and goddamn, that thing was a beast, but he also has a bunch of bolt ons. so i don't know how much is the ap or the bolt ons. nonetheless, he said he was pushing 20 psi

 

[PMena]

Dash Hawk + Standback = AP .... BUT with the exception of custom tunes.

no

dashhawk + sb + pnp + fcf= ap. (lol)

 

[AAMguy]

i did some tuning on a friends cp-e standback and that thing was a pain in the butt! barily made any power.

cobb ap for sure.
never let me down

 

[Alexsered]

the cobb ap or cpe flash? i like the way my car runs right now. all i really want is my car to stop falling off at 5500 rpms. i was wondering if the hype for the v103 maps are worth it for my car or if i should just buy the flash. here is a quick list of my mods if it makes any difference. cs tbe, turboxs fmic, hks sri, turbosmart dual port, reworked turbo, cdfp. any helpful input from users of either one would help. please dont say "search" because ive been reading and now im just asking for your opinions. thanks in advance.

Everyone will give you their own opinion. This isn't opinion though, you will have more flexibility with the CP-E Standback.

You know the pros and cons about both from looking in the forums I hope, what do you think?

If you want only opinions, it is pretty split between the two, just knowbody could argue that the CP-E is more flexable.

 

[Alexsered]

(smash)

i did some tuning on a friends cp-e standback and that thing was a pain in the butt! barily made any power.

cobb ap for sure.
never let me down

lol, no offense, you seem like you know your crap about cars considering I hear you talk about your previos subie, but the cp-e being a pain the butt to tune? It's a spreadsheet, you select the numbers and you change it to what you want at certain RPM's(if thats hard, please don't try to use excell, you might hurt yourself), do you really mean you don't know how to tune?

 

[slo4now]

lol, takes a little time but my 4 yr old son can manage.
If you want power than standback is the way to go, maybe in the future the AP
will catch up.

 

[Alexsered]

lol, takes a little time but my 4 yr old son can manage.
If you want power than standback is the way to go, maybe in the future the AP
will catch up.

(iagree)(werd)

 

[AutoXRacer]

I don't think he was considering the StandBack at this time.

He specifically asked about the Full Throttle Flash vs the AP.

Honestly between the two, I might consider the Piasini Flash instead...nothing but good things. That is if you want a bolt-on type of tuning where you just get flashed and forget about it.

If you plan to continue modding your car and don't plan on stopping with standard mods, then you'll want the CP-E Flash with the StandBack shortly after... Once the AP offers some type of custom tuning then that one too.

But for an ECU type of bolt-on, I would suggest the Piasini; pending a little research on your part just to make sure.

I got the CP-E Flash and I am very happy with it, though it did force me to get a MAP clamp and a MBC...I could have just gotten the StandBack.
Anyway, since the CP-E Flash gives you 100% throttle opening, my boost curve changes and though I was on stock boost, the ECU sensed a difference boost curve and triggered boost cut; I never exceeded max PSI, just held it a little longer.

Anyway, those are other things to consider. If you get the CP-E Flash, probably count on buying a MAP clamp or if you have the budget for it, get the StandBack too (which now comes in PnP). Also, with my stock turbo, the CP-E Flash made me lose a little power at the top end since the stock turbo can't keep up. But that was resolved with a MBC to increase the boost to 18 PSI and now the car just RIPS!!!! (burnout)

Good luck with your decision!!!

 

[Alexsered]

I don't think he was considering the StandBack at this time.

He specifically asked about the Full Throttle Flash vs the AP.

Honestly between the two, I might consider the Piasini Flash instead...nothing but good things. That is if you want a bolt-on type of tuning where you just get flashed and forget about it.

If you plan to continue modding your car and don't plan on stopping with standard mods, then you'll want the CP-E Flash with the StandBack shortly after... Once the AP offers some type of custom tuning then that one too.

But for an ECU type of bolt-on, I would suggest the Piasini; pending a little research on your part just to make sure.

I got the CP-E Flash and I am very happy with it, though it did force me to get a MAP clamp and a MBC...I could have just gotten the StandBack.
Anyway, since the CP-E Flash gives you 100% throttle opening, my boost curve changes and though I was on stock boost, the ECU sensed a difference boost curve and triggered boost cut; I never exceeded max PSI, just held it a little longer.

Anyway, those are other things to consider. If you get the CP-E Flash, probably count on buying a MAP clamp or if you have the budget for it, get the StandBack too (which now comes in PnP). Also, which my stock turbo, the CP-E Flash made me lose a little power at the top end since the stock turbo can't keep up. But that was resolved with a MBC to increase the boost to 18 PSI and now the car just RIPS!!!! (burnout)

Good luck with your decision!!!

wow, you might want to talk to Lou about your boost problem, you are the first person I have ever heard with this problem. I walked my ECU in and had Lou reflash it personally, had everything tested and monitored by Lou and also with a Dashhawk. I did not have this issue, it was quiet a big gain. I think you might be having other issues.

 

[AutoXRacer]

Its not an issue...its just the nature of the stock turbo... Stock turbo can not keep up at high RPMs and when you keep the throttle open at 100%, the turbo just runs out of steam...

I already had endless conversations with Jordan and Josh... At my mod level, this is expected...the stock turbo is the bottle neck in my setup.

 

[Alexsered]

Its not an issue...its just the nature of the stock turbo... Stock turbo can not keep up at high RPMs and when you keep the throttle open at 100%, the turbo just runs out of steam...

I already had endless conversations with Jordan and Josh... At my mod level, this is expected...the stock turbo is the bottle neck in my setup.

yeah, I know about the turbo problem, hopefully I will be replacing mine sometime in the future. The stock turbo is a bottle neck, but you still shouldn't be having a boost cut because of the 100% throttle, with what you are saying, it seems like you would have a boost cut even without the reflash, because either way, the reflash gives you open throttle, so it should be able to breath better. I just don't see the connection with the reflash and boost cut?

 

[AutoXRacer]

I never experienced boost cut prior to the Flash... Jordan spent some time with me and we concluded that the ECU maps boost profiles. With the Flash, the boost profile changed, thus triggering boost cut.

I don't know, but this is what happened. I was probably holding a little more boost on the top end, thus freaking out the ECU.

The guys at CP-E were not surprised... I already had the ECU maxed out and if I did not get the Flash, I would have experienced boost cut as soon as the weather would have cooled off according to CP-E.

 

[AAMguy]

(smash)

lol, no offense, you seem like you know your crap about cars considering I hear you talk about your previos subie, but the cp-e being a pain the butt to tune? It's a spreadsheet, you select the numbers and you change it to what you want at certain RPM's(if thats hard, please don't try to use excell, you might hurt yourself), do you really mean you don't know how to tune?

it wasnt just the system it was the customer, that wasnt make much power so he kept wanting me to lean the car out....so in all honesty it wasnt just the system that had me pissed.

as huge as there layout screens are I just am more used to hydra,aem,utec.

For ease of use the ap takes the cake by far for someone new to tuning. Plus I know all the guys at cobb and they will stay late if you need some help.