Should I buy an MSP??

[jred321]

Hey, dont bad mouth teh RS. Its a great car... Granted, it doesnt handle as well as the MSP (what does?) but its still a great car...

Mackdadam, do whatever you feel like. Drive every car you want to drive, adn decide after that.
--Adam

i wasn't bad mouthing either. it is a good, solid car for what it was meant to do, but it wasn't built for performance, and i want a car that at least had performance in mind when building it, so it isn't for me. plus, turbo's make getting more power way easier, all you have to do is turn a knob.

 

[VegasMSP]

My answer to that is that 165 is crank and there are greater losses thru the transmission. So it's really more than just 5whp difference. Also...at 19k, the RS isn't nearly as good with:

1) handling
2) looks
3) power (said already)
4) options (stereo, rims, kit, etc.)

By the time I priced out a 2.5, brand new it was 22k, MSRP. The MSP can be had for ~18000 out the door with rebates, etc. Then when he has money left over, he can turn it into a monster because it's already turbo'd. The turbo set-up for a 2.5 rs is ~5000 last I looked. This was my reasoning at the time I bought my MSP, and exactly why the 2.5 rs was knocked off my list.

This is the car ('99 RS)(some mods) I used to have and traded in for MSP.

I was happy with my old car for cornering because of the awd but was disappointed in the stock handling and power (rated 165 hp)(89 whp because of awd) (yawn). You could turbo it but then you'll be under that hood daily as most of the rs-t owners are. Not a bad thing but for daily driving its a pain. Then a WRX would be a ok car but then you'll have to put money into fixing it up for handling. I almost got a wrx or sti w/ the subaru dealership because I known them for a long time but I wanted a car that was already badass out of the box w/ warranty and didn't cost 30k w/ a markup (STI/EVO). Plus my insurance on the MSP didn't go up very much. I'm only paying $10 more then when I had the RS. Go test drive it and decide. MSP is definitely a fun car. Good Luck!

 

[mdaj]

This is the car ('99 RS)(some mods) I used to have and traded in for MSP.
I was happy with my old car for cornering because of the awd but was disappointed in the stock handling and power (rated 165 hp)(89 whp because of awd) (yawn). You could turbo it but then you'll be under that hood daily as most of the rs-t owners are. Not a bad thing but for daily driving its a pain. Then a WRX would be a ok car but then you'll have to put money into fixing it up for handling. I almost got a wrx or sti w/ the subaru dealership because I known them for a long time but I wanted a car that was already badass out of the box w/ warranty and didn't cost 30k w/ a markup (STI/EVO). Plus my insurance on the MSP didn't go up very much. I'm only paying $10 more then when I had the RS. Go test drive it and decide. MSP is definitely a fun car. Good Luck!

Really??? I never kept much of what they dynoed stock to the wheels but seriously? That's like a 55% drivetrain loss! I always guestimated 120-130 being awd

 

[VegasMSP]

Thats what's rated per wheel! I was disappointed in the numbers too. A bunch of magazines did the dyno on that car and got around the same results. Don't get me wrong off the line it was awesome, alot torque from that 2.5, but mid range up kind of dogged a bit.

 

[mdaj]

That sucks. AWD is nice but hurts at the same time