SE-R vs MP5, Round 2:D
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SE/R vs. BEGI Pro5
just ask CaptainKRMP5 about stomping spec v's. my buddy derrick had no chance, he was in 5th and downshifted to 3rd, ken just mashed the gas in 5th and wasted him.
as far as FI... there is a supercharger for the Spec V, and Derrick told me that because of his displancement he could only run 6psi maybe 7. and that was what the kit said. he also wants to run a 75 shot of Nitrous..... although it would be hella fast..... like you said, timed grenade. Most Nissan's are naturally fast N/A wise.
just ask CaptainKRMP5 about stomping spec v's. my buddy derrick had no chance, he was in 5th and downshifted to 3rd, ken just mashed the gas in 5th and wasted him.
as far as FI... there is a supercharger for the Spec V, and Derrick told me that because of his displancement he could only run 6psi maybe 7. and that was what the kit said. he also wants to run a 75 shot of Nitrous..... although it would be hella fast..... like you said, timed grenade. Most Nissan's are naturally fast N/A wise.
k...here's the truth you won't like it...
Your arguements about the sentra being a small economy car is invalid...what the hell is the protege? exactly...
The Spec V's weakest handling point in the WHOLE car is the rear...yes it brings it down, and YES it still got the fastest Salom times in SSC 8 great rides.
Mods...Intake Headers, Exhaust...well those all add about give or take 2-3 (from the intake mostly) 10 hp and 10 ft-lb torque ALL to the wheels...
2nd YES the rear end of the sentra is ugly...but the Protege's (protege 5 is though) isn't that much better...if I wanted a car for looks...I would of gotten a tib...yes a tiburon.
Also...The handling part? yea that's what coilovers are for 3 companies have made coilovers for our cars, JIC, Tien, and Motivational.
We also got lots of springs.
Guess what, we also got a turbo kit out too...the most reliable one so far puts like 225 whp, on stock internals, and runs fine.
The only thing that really bothers me about the Spec is the rear...yes the rear...so I'll get a new rear bumper.
And if you wanna compare sedan to sedan...I think the protege isn't that great looking either...only the protege 5.
Guess what? Nissan has a rally Spec V out...it's like 260 something horsepower, and like 230 ft-lb, ALL NA, that's right NO turbo, same engine, stock internals.
Once nismo comes...watch out
Now stop arguing.
With all the parts comming out for the SE-Rs it'll be one hell of a machine to deal with
Your arguements about the sentra being a small economy car is invalid...what the hell is the protege? exactly...
The Spec V's weakest handling point in the WHOLE car is the rear...yes it brings it down, and YES it still got the fastest Salom times in SSC 8 great rides.
Mods...Intake Headers, Exhaust...well those all add about give or take 2-3 (from the intake mostly) 10 hp and 10 ft-lb torque ALL to the wheels...
2nd YES the rear end of the sentra is ugly...but the Protege's (protege 5 is though) isn't that much better...if I wanted a car for looks...I would of gotten a tib...yes a tiburon.
Also...The handling part? yea that's what coilovers are for 3 companies have made coilovers for our cars, JIC, Tien, and Motivational.
We also got lots of springs.
Guess what, we also got a turbo kit out too...the most reliable one so far puts like 225 whp, on stock internals, and runs fine.
The only thing that really bothers me about the Spec is the rear...yes the rear...so I'll get a new rear bumper.
And if you wanna compare sedan to sedan...I think the protege isn't that great looking either...only the protege 5.
Guess what? Nissan has a rally Spec V out...it's like 260 something horsepower, and like 230 ft-lb, ALL NA, that's right NO turbo, same engine, stock internals.
Once nismo comes...watch out
Now stop arguing.
With all the parts comming out for the SE-Rs it'll be one hell of a machine to deal with
Re: SE/R vs. BEGI Pro5
obviously he doesn't know how to drive. My friend ran a 14.9 1/4 mile with on a stock Spec V with Bridgestone Potenzoa's Pole S-03s
the quickest spec V right now is like in the mid 14 all NA
the fastest Spec V with one shot of NOS is in the 13 seconds.
Pro5OnSpeed said:
obviously he doesn't know how to drive. My friend ran a 14.9 1/4 mile with on a stock Spec V with Bridgestone Potenzoa's Pole S-03s
the quickest spec V right now is like in the mid 14 all NA
the fastest Spec V with one shot of NOS is in the 13 seconds.
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You are missing the point here, coil overs on an axle beam, still suck...
I'm sure it does just fine with the axle beam, but seriously, its a friggin' axle beam! Get in the 90's here.
The Sentra is an economy car, the SE-R is a bad version of a econo-box trying to go performance.
The Protege is an econo-box with a slight level of performance from the get go. Hence, easier to make better.
Time will tell on how well the motor holds up to forced induction. The design isn't the best...That is truth.
There has been an SCCA Pro-Rally Protege for awhile now, why did it take so long for the SE-R to get out there? Rear axle beam!
I'm sure it does just fine with the axle beam, but seriously, its a friggin' axle beam! Get in the 90's here.
The Sentra is an economy car, the SE-R is a bad version of a econo-box trying to go performance.
The Protege is an econo-box with a slight level of performance from the get go. Hence, easier to make better.
Time will tell on how well the motor holds up to forced induction. The design isn't the best...That is truth.
There has been an SCCA Pro-Rally Protege for awhile now, why did it take so long for the SE-R to get out there? Rear axle beam!
WaatDaHell
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damn, you guys really don't quit. The only point I'm bring up is not to compare the Spec-V with the Protege5. Go ahead and compare sentras with proteges. Heck, I don't like regular Proteges anyway. But in the meantime, just don't compare a sedan with a wagon. I'm sure this will piss a lot of folks off, but Honda, if they wanted to, will whip all your asses! That is, until BMW jumps in and just wipe all the Japs off the board.....
StuttersC
WTF!!!
I'm not trying to be mean or anything. You are saying that sentra spec v is an econ - box trying to go performance!!! What do you think you MP3 is????
The engine with protege is identical to MP3. The only difference is the ECU. At least Nissan made modifications to their engine!!!!
I love my Pro 5. But i almost fell in love with spec v. I had ' 01 before so i know the rear isn't the best looking, but it was an awesome car for the price. A way better looking car than a regular protege. Hack, even my 323 looks better and is way faster with only 1.6 engine.
I didn't try to harrase anyone, please don't be affended.
WTF!!!
I'm not trying to be mean or anything. You are saying that sentra spec v is an econ - box trying to go performance!!! What do you think you MP3 is????
The engine with protege is identical to MP3. The only difference is the ECU. At least Nissan made modifications to their engine!!!!
I love my Pro 5. But i almost fell in love with spec v. I had ' 01 before so i know the rear isn't the best looking, but it was an awesome car for the price. A way better looking car than a regular protege. Hack, even my 323 looks better and is way faster with only 1.6 engine.
I didn't try to harrase anyone, please don't be affended.
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Honda wha?
how would honda kick our asses? just curious. i dont want to ignite a flame, but tell me how? if you are talkng about the tear drop Si against the MSP.... ummm no. i dont think so. but the S2000??? DROOOOOOOOLL
i dont find the new civics to be all that great. i was actually going to buy one, low gas mileage, crisp shifting, not at all expensive. but after driving the P5, the only thing i could complain about was shifting 1st to 2nd, otherwise i was sold. (plus this forum was the final selling point) also, after driving my P5 around, my mom let me drive her's and i couldnt beleive i wanted one! steering wasnt as responsive or tight, ride quality diminished. yech.
however, give me an older civic and a couple grand then we'll talk! personally i like the older ones better. 97-99.
how would honda kick our asses? just curious. i dont want to ignite a flame, but tell me how? if you are talkng about the tear drop Si against the MSP.... ummm no. i dont think so. but the S2000??? DROOOOOOOOLL
i dont find the new civics to be all that great. i was actually going to buy one, low gas mileage, crisp shifting, not at all expensive. but after driving the P5, the only thing i could complain about was shifting 1st to 2nd, otherwise i was sold. (plus this forum was the final selling point) also, after driving my P5 around, my mom let me drive her's and i couldnt beleive i wanted one! steering wasnt as responsive or tight, ride quality diminished. yech.
however, give me an older civic and a couple grand then we'll talk! personally i like the older ones better. 97-99.
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BMW
BMW's are no joke. I have seen a 330ci completly DESTROY a Z28 at the college around here. WHOMPED HIS ASS!
me want M3........
BMW's are no joke. I have seen a 330ci completly DESTROY a Z28 at the college around here. WHOMPED HIS ASS!
me want M3........
Gro Harlem
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ehh whatever.......my opinion is my opinion. I think that people who decide on a car only b/c of the looks are lame, and clueless to what they are really buying. just basing their descisions on looks and not the practicality, economy, performance aspects that should come into play when buying a car.
My point is, even the fugliest cars can be made to look good, and it really doesn't cost much. You buy a Protege5 b/c it looks good, but then b**** about it not having power, and pay up the ass to get it as fast as these stock SER's, MSP's, Si's, Type S's, SVT's, etc.
Sorry, i'd rather buy a "fugly" (in your opinions) SRT4, and THEN spend the money on making it appeal to more people by slapping a kit on it, rather than spend money on making a good looking car fast. (which is more expesnive, and my entire point in my previous post).
I'm just sick of the negative attitudes that a lot of protege owners have towards other makes. Nissan is a respectable company as much as mazda. Why try to start arguements to try to prove that one is better? they have their share of technologies, great cars, great innovations and the like, but all cars and makes are different so there really isn't a way to compare them entirely. Whatever suites you suites you.
My point is, even the fugliest cars can be made to look good, and it really doesn't cost much. You buy a Protege5 b/c it looks good, but then b**** about it not having power, and pay up the ass to get it as fast as these stock SER's, MSP's, Si's, Type S's, SVT's, etc.
Sorry, i'd rather buy a "fugly" (in your opinions) SRT4, and THEN spend the money on making it appeal to more people by slapping a kit on it, rather than spend money on making a good looking car fast. (which is more expesnive, and my entire point in my previous post).
I'm just sick of the negative attitudes that a lot of protege owners have towards other makes. Nissan is a respectable company as much as mazda. Why try to start arguements to try to prove that one is better? they have their share of technologies, great cars, great innovations and the like, but all cars and makes are different so there really isn't a way to compare them entirely. Whatever suites you suites you.
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DevlynSyde
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Personally, I didn't look at the SE-R or Spec-V when I decided to get rid of my Celica GT-S because like the GT-S, the Spec-V at the time was the guinea pig to an untested engine. That and when looking at the SE-R boards everyone had a complaint about something being wrong with their car. The Pro5 however has an engine that while not spectacular - is reliable and definately tested.
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alexlitov said:StuttersC
WTF!!!
I'm not trying to be mean or anything. You are saying that sentra spec v is an econ - box trying to go performance!!! What do you think you MP3 is????
The engine with protege is identical to MP3. The only difference is the ECU. At least Nissan made modifications to their engine!!!!
I love my Pro 5. But i almost fell in love with spec v. I had ' 01 before so i know the rear isn't the best looking, but it was an awesome car for the price. A way better looking car than a regular protege. Hack, even my 323 looks better and is way faster with only 1.6 engine.
I didn't try to harrase anyone, please don't be affended.
No offense taken, you missed my point completely though.
Yes, I know the Protege is an econo-box, I said that in my post...However, the Protege comes with more of a performance oriented platform from the get go than the Sentra.
That is all I am trying to say. Regular Sentra v regular Protege, the Protege has a better suspension and chassis design. This extedns to the performance version of both cars. The MP3 has a great suspension. The SE-R still has a rear axle beam.
To me, a fun car handles well. Gro Harlem is saying he can make an ugly car look good. Well, I am willing to buy an under powered car that handles well. I can make an under powered car get more power. If it handles well from the get go, it is easier to make it handle better.
Power is great, but with out control, why have it. That is why I like the Protege. Sure it is under powered, particularly the MP3. But it handles like a damn slot car. Something that the Mazdaspeed Protege does even better.
A poorly designed suspension will eat money with after-market goodies simply trying to make the car handle well by fixing "design flaws." That is not what I want. This is why I won't be buying an older Honda ever again.
