SE-R vs MP5, Round 2:D
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Gro Harlem
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"no offense" but if you buy a car only on looks you are lame.
the spec V outperforms the p5 in more areas than the p5 outperforms the spec v. Both are priced somewhat similarly, with the spec v being maybe 1g more expensive and offering IMO a lot more.
The p5 is more practical, daily driver kinda car that does sport good looks. The Spec V is a youth oriented performance machine that also sports good looks (but not as widely appealing as the p5's looks).
It is all a matter of what you want in a car. Just looking at a car and saying it sucks s*** b/c its ugly is the shallowest, most retarded crap you can say. "Eww the srt4 is ugly, thus it sucks". I'm sick of reading this crap. THe car hauls ass, and has comparable handling to all but the msp in its class, and its priced the same. Thats just one of many examples of the lame crap I have read lately on these forums.
the spec V outperforms the p5 in more areas than the p5 outperforms the spec v. Both are priced somewhat similarly, with the spec v being maybe 1g more expensive and offering IMO a lot more.
The p5 is more practical, daily driver kinda car that does sport good looks. The Spec V is a youth oriented performance machine that also sports good looks (but not as widely appealing as the p5's looks).
It is all a matter of what you want in a car. Just looking at a car and saying it sucks s*** b/c its ugly is the shallowest, most retarded crap you can say. "Eww the srt4 is ugly, thus it sucks". I'm sick of reading this crap. THe car hauls ass, and has comparable handling to all but the msp in its class, and its priced the same. Thats just one of many examples of the lame crap I have read lately on these forums.
I agree with you sorta Gro Harlem but I guess it depends on your view. I think the interior/exterior styling of the car is obviously going to be very important. I'm spending 25K on a car, it damn well better appeal to me! Now I don't say as your example that the SRT4 is crap...I think the performance side of that car is very impressive. But coming at it from that direction, because I'm not wild about the looks, it's plain and simple, I won't get the car. I've got to get in and out of whichever car I buy for years, I don't want to have regrets every single time I look at it.
For a better example....I haven't seen too many people ever say the Pontiac Aztec is a nice car. Most people use words such as ugly, hideous, revolting, etc. Now if that vehicle came with an engine that somehow got it from 0 - 60 in 4 seconds flat and was super cheap, guess what? I'm still not going near it with a 10ft pole.
I definitely agree that there is too much of something like "I don't like the Spec V's rear end, therefore the entire car is crap". That's not true at all and I hate when people do that. I think the all the cars talked about have their own merits(even the Aztek is a functional vehicle for some people) and taking cheap shots at one another serves little purpose.
For a better example....I haven't seen too many people ever say the Pontiac Aztec is a nice car. Most people use words such as ugly, hideous, revolting, etc. Now if that vehicle came with an engine that somehow got it from 0 - 60 in 4 seconds flat and was super cheap, guess what? I'm still not going near it with a 10ft pole.
I definitely agree that there is too much of something like "I don't like the Spec V's rear end, therefore the entire car is crap". That's not true at all and I hate when people do that. I think the all the cars talked about have their own merits(even the Aztek is a functional vehicle for some people) and taking cheap shots at one another serves little purpose.
PA_MP3_Man
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ok this threads getting just as worthless as the last one. Damn you sentra boys for comming over here and stirring up the pot. J/K.
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Ok, I get make my point I didn't get a chance to in the last one...
So, here we go, from a performance stand point, the SE-R might out preform the Protege 5. However, what car has more potential?
In other words, why the SE-R is not performance...
1. The SE-R has a rear axle beam...What the hell Nissan? You made your name big by having one of the first rear independant suspension cars, with a live axle no less (240 Z, for those that don't know), and you put a friggin' axle beam in your new "perfomance" model. Sorry, axle beam has got to go.
2. The motor is 2.5 liter long, stroke, open deck, low rpm piece of grenade if you ever want to go forced induction or NOS. Sorry, but it's the truth folks. The motor is weak for anything really big over and beyond stock. Intake, header and exhaust are not big mods.
The Mazda Protege 5 has an independant rear end. The motor is pretty strong, well built, has a reasonable red line for a 2.0 liter, not an open deck design and can handle forced induction rather well. As evidenced by the Mazdaspeed Protege and and FM Protege Turbo car.
The Protege might be out gunned stock by the SE-R, but the Mazda has more potential do everything better than the Nissan. And still be a comfortable, reliable daily driver.
Sorry SE-R crowd, The Protege (1st, 2nd and 3rd gen) is an all Mazda design running a Mazda drivetrain, suspension, and everything else. The next itteration of the Protege (Mazda 3, whatever) is going to be the closest thing to a Ford that any Protege has ever been. And it will still be running a Mazda drivetrain and suspension design. All Ford did was provide the basic chassis layout.
If anything, the next Focus promises to better than the current version because of Mazdas work.
And Nissan still hasn't won the 24 Hours of Le Mans, nor will they ever.
So, here we go, from a performance stand point, the SE-R might out preform the Protege 5. However, what car has more potential?
In other words, why the SE-R is not performance...
1. The SE-R has a rear axle beam...What the hell Nissan? You made your name big by having one of the first rear independant suspension cars, with a live axle no less (240 Z, for those that don't know), and you put a friggin' axle beam in your new "perfomance" model. Sorry, axle beam has got to go.
2. The motor is 2.5 liter long, stroke, open deck, low rpm piece of grenade if you ever want to go forced induction or NOS. Sorry, but it's the truth folks. The motor is weak for anything really big over and beyond stock. Intake, header and exhaust are not big mods.
The Mazda Protege 5 has an independant rear end. The motor is pretty strong, well built, has a reasonable red line for a 2.0 liter, not an open deck design and can handle forced induction rather well. As evidenced by the Mazdaspeed Protege and and FM Protege Turbo car.
The Protege might be out gunned stock by the SE-R, but the Mazda has more potential do everything better than the Nissan. And still be a comfortable, reliable daily driver.
Sorry SE-R crowd, The Protege (1st, 2nd and 3rd gen) is an all Mazda design running a Mazda drivetrain, suspension, and everything else. The next itteration of the Protege (Mazda 3, whatever) is going to be the closest thing to a Ford that any Protege has ever been. And it will still be running a Mazda drivetrain and suspension design. All Ford did was provide the basic chassis layout.
If anything, the next Focus promises to better than the current version because of Mazdas work.
And Nissan still hasn't won the 24 Hours of Le Mans, nor will they ever.
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MikeBlueP5
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keep dogin fords
then pull your little sentra up next to a new Cobra, thats a performance oriented car, appealing to the 20-30 year old males.
NOT A SE-R SPEC OF DIRT IN THE STANGS DUST!
then pull your little sentra up next to a new Cobra, thats a performance oriented car, appealing to the 20-30 year old males.
NOT A SE-R SPEC OF DIRT IN THE STANGS DUST!
MikeBlueP5
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Gro Harlem
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Ehh, i see your point, but it hasn't necessarily been proven that the SER's engine has no potential. Maybe from a FI standpoint, but NA, i think it could hold up well to a turbo Protege.
As for the axle beam.......Drive the car before you make judgements. Yeah it won't be able to outhandle a stock MP3, but with some mods, it could come close.
And besides those points, look at it this way. the ser comes from the factory with a pretty powerful engine, while the protege5 comes out with a less than stellar engine. Put $3000-4000 into a turbo kit, and yeah, it could match or beat that SER, but looking at the total price of the cars, the SER is still the better deal, as is the srt4.
And I still think people who won't buy a car b/c it is somewhat "fugly" are lame. You can always put a kit on it.
People are bitching about how the SRT4 is "too high". WTF? lower it.....wow, that'll cost like $200-400, not a hella huge investment. Then they say they don't like the front end. I'm sure there will be awesome ass body kits for it.........just slap them on.
I got a few compliments on the festiva in my signature. In stock form, many would think they are "stupid ugly peices of crap" that they would never buy, but after the kit, i get compliments? maybe you wouldn't drive the car b/c its old skool and a cheapass car, but it's looks are appealing enough. My point goes for these cars ppl call "ugly". Bodykits are the answer, i've seen awesome looking neons, and sentras, just invest in the kit if you have to have that "better looking ride"
As for the axle beam.......Drive the car before you make judgements. Yeah it won't be able to outhandle a stock MP3, but with some mods, it could come close.
And besides those points, look at it this way. the ser comes from the factory with a pretty powerful engine, while the protege5 comes out with a less than stellar engine. Put $3000-4000 into a turbo kit, and yeah, it could match or beat that SER, but looking at the total price of the cars, the SER is still the better deal, as is the srt4.
And I still think people who won't buy a car b/c it is somewhat "fugly" are lame. You can always put a kit on it.
People are bitching about how the SRT4 is "too high". WTF? lower it.....wow, that'll cost like $200-400, not a hella huge investment. Then they say they don't like the front end. I'm sure there will be awesome ass body kits for it.........just slap them on.
I got a few compliments on the festiva in my signature. In stock form, many would think they are "stupid ugly peices of crap" that they would never buy, but after the kit, i get compliments? maybe you wouldn't drive the car b/c its old skool and a cheapass car, but it's looks are appealing enough. My point goes for these cars ppl call "ugly". Bodykits are the answer, i've seen awesome looking neons, and sentras, just invest in the kit if you have to have that "better looking ride"
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PortCityMP3
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Gro Harlem said:
phhhhhhhsssssssssssssssttttt please!?!?! Bring It ! (glare)
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cjstringer
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Glhboy said:
As I said before, the next event is February 23rd at Walesboro. If you can't make that, be at the March Indy event.
Check www.cscc-scca.org or www.indyscca.org for updates and directions.
SE-Rs are nice. I'm not saying that they're not, but it takes a seriously good driver to make a car do anything well. Come on out and I'll show you how a real car is driven.
If you want a drag race, sorry, I don't do that. A monkey can drag race. I know my car has no straight line speed. Give me some corners and the lessons will be taught.
Hope to see you in the spring!
(Just for reference, it's all in fun. Half the guys I race against aggressively are in SE-Rs. Difference is, they are modified, I'm all stock. They still get beat.
)DevlynSyde
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Okay, you say that the SE-R is better because you have to put a turbo in the Pro making it more expensive... but its okay that you have to spend similar money to put a kit on the SE-R so that its not so damn ugly?
So tomorrow Hyundai builds a 200 hp Tiburon and it's better than the SE-R and MSP, right???
Any car company can build a fast piece of s***, just because it's fast it doesn't have to be good.
I never got to drive the SE-R, because I didn't need to. The shape of the car was enough for me to not even bother.
I'm not putting down Nissan as a car company, they build nice cars and trucks, X-terra, Frontier, 300ZX Twin Turbo, to name a few. But the Sentra is just a Sentra: Cheap economy ugly transportation - nothing more than that IMO.
Sorry Sentra owners.
Any car company can build a fast piece of s***, just because it's fast it doesn't have to be good.
I never got to drive the SE-R, because I didn't need to. The shape of the car was enough for me to not even bother.
I'm not putting down Nissan as a car company, they build nice cars and trucks, X-terra, Frontier, 300ZX Twin Turbo, to name a few. But the Sentra is just a Sentra: Cheap economy ugly transportation - nothing more than that IMO.
Sorry Sentra owners.
PortCityMP3
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Glhboy said:I'm new and still waiting for the guy from Indy with the Blue Protege to take my offer on a race. I live in Indy with a Blue Spec V and need to back up my product.
Anyways, like I said before I PM'd the guy so hopefully we can get together and at least get this performance thing out of the way.
(yawn)
WaatDaHell
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First of all, why the hell are we comparing a sedan to a sport wagon. If you wanna fight, use the Matrix or the Focus SVT or something in the same class. Do you compare sport wagons with SUV's and say the sport wagon is faster, therefore better than the SUV? If you do, then you're just ignorant. Secondly, it's not Ford made!!! Just because it owns 33.4% of Mazda doesn't mean it does everything for Mazda. The Protege5 is built in Japan with 97% Japanese made parts. So quit already!
