Reliability of Stock MSP
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I believe the NA Protege is very reliable car, but I don't think the same about the MSP. How could the MSP be as reliable when you are adding 6.5 psi of forced induction to stock internals meant for a NA engine? I might be wrong, but that's what I think. I also do not care about reliability as long as I have warranty and I don't have to pay a dime out of my pocket and they can give a rental car if the car needs work. I don't keep car longer than 3-4 years anyway and I don't think the MSP will be an exception
03MSPRO said:
It can still be reliable although it may not hit 200,000 miles like its NA brothers. More important then the PSI your using is the power that PSI is actualy making. 6.5 PSi off of the T25 isn't much more power at all and the cars internals can easily hold at that level. If a totaly stock MSp didn't makeit past 100,000 niles I would be suprised. Now one running higher boost especialy with a driver that doesn't know how to listen for knock, then we have another issue all together.
Re: hmmm
Actually, JPBlack was almost correct. The '95-99 turbo Eclipse/Talon used the Garrett T25. The '90-94 turbo DSMs used the 14B. The Mazdaspeed uses a T25R, which has a ball-bearing cartridge instead of the less efficient journal-bearing design used on the old, regular T25.
As far as other cars which utilize this turbo, I really don't know.
Captain KRM P5 said:
Actually, JPBlack was almost correct. The '95-99 turbo Eclipse/Talon used the Garrett T25. The '90-94 turbo DSMs used the 14B. The Mazdaspeed uses a T25R, which has a ball-bearing cartridge instead of the less efficient journal-bearing design used on the old, regular T25.
As far as other cars which utilize this turbo, I really don't know.
I was just thinking about this. How much more UNRELIABLE can it be than a standard Protege? The only difference that I have read is that it has a turbo set-up (engine wise...I thought I read that non-MSP's had clunk too...I know for a fact that the clutch was worthless when it was cold).
The turbo boosts the total HP by 30 horses....I have a feeling that the engine should be able to handle the increase (STOCK that is...higher boost would make a difference).
From what I've read, most have not had any problems with the ENGINE itself...From what I've read, issues are with tubos (I've read some have had to be replaced), hesitation which can be fixed, and bushings...Oh, and some body work coming loose. All of these issues should be fixed as long as the warranty ins't voided.
I would think that as long as you didn't redline it every day, you changed the oil often (preferably with synthetic oil), and you put in quality gas, you should have a very reliable car. Unless pushed very hard or modded out the ass, I just don't see how the turbo set up could make the car go to s***...
Granted there are other factors involved (I thought I read somewhere that the engine is somewhat different than a standard Protege), but from reading lots of these posts, I haven't really come across anything that points to a car that will fall apart in 4 yrs....
At least I hope not....
The turbo boosts the total HP by 30 horses....I have a feeling that the engine should be able to handle the increase (STOCK that is...higher boost would make a difference).
From what I've read, most have not had any problems with the ENGINE itself...From what I've read, issues are with tubos (I've read some have had to be replaced), hesitation which can be fixed, and bushings...Oh, and some body work coming loose. All of these issues should be fixed as long as the warranty ins't voided.
I would think that as long as you didn't redline it every day, you changed the oil often (preferably with synthetic oil), and you put in quality gas, you should have a very reliable car. Unless pushed very hard or modded out the ass, I just don't see how the turbo set up could make the car go to s***...
Granted there are other factors involved (I thought I read somewhere that the engine is somewhat different than a standard Protege), but from reading lots of these posts, I haven't really come across anything that points to a car that will fall apart in 4 yrs....
At least I hope not....
Only the MP3 has the clunk too, as it has damn near the identical suspension. The struts are slgihtly stiffer in the MSP.R6Rocket said:
R6Rocket said:
The only engine differnce is that the MSP has a smaller radiator then the other proteges but has an oil cooler and slightly stronger rods. Other then that they are the same.
JPBlackMP5
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Re: Re: hmmm
Many thanks, Oh Romulan Praetor...I'll take "almost correct" over being definitely wrong - anyday!!
Many thanks, Oh Romulan Praetor...I'll take "almost correct" over being definitely wrong - anyday!!
praetor said:
JPBlackMP5
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Right....as 1st MP3 in NH says...however, it's a leftover of the one from a european model (i believe) that is pathetically small and does minimally to provide better cooling. The FMIC would be ideal AND this SMIC prototype that steph speaks of is an improvement w/o having to do major work. Theoretically capable of changing out OEM IC for aftermarket IC...is that right steph?
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JPBlackMP5
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......(uhm) (dunno)
1st MP3 in NH said:
2003 Lotus Esprit V8 Coupeping said:
Engines & Emissions
Dual Fuel Tanks
3.5-Liter, 90-Degree V8, 32-Valve, DOHC, MPFI Engine, Mid Mounted, Horsepower Of 350@6500, Torque Of 295@4250 With Aluminum Alloy Head and Block
Dual Front Mounted Oil Coolers
Two Water Cooled Garrett T25 Turbochargers
