Real HID

[melicha8]

auto leveling is not done by the housing it is done by a little plate that moves up and down in front of the light. we couldn' t make ours do it because it is controled by parts of the ecu our ecus don't have programing for

 

[Limited Edition]

MikeBlueP5
i notice in your signature you have HID bulbs matching your headlight. How close do those 'not real' HIDs match to the 8K?
Do you know if my Mazdaspeed is H7 just like in P5's?

 

[zombiefreak]

Zombiefreaky you are so utterly wrong. I have the Plug and play and they work fine. The reason people don't aim them right is because they don't sit within the housing as well as other H7's because of the black composite housing you stick the light in. if you put them in without that they will come loose and aim higher.

"HID kits commercially available online, at performance shops, and accessory shops include two of the three essentials in HID systems: the HID bulb and the HID ballast. The missing factor here is the HID optics such as a projector/reflector headlight assembly designed to operate with HID bulbs. Without this third leg of the equation, you will still definitely achieve brighter lighting on the road, but you will not achieve the advertised 3200 lumen brightness, you will not achieve the signature color flicker seen in BMWs, and you will not achieve a proper beam pattern. Because of this, a subculture of retrofitters has emerged salvaging OEM HID parts from wrecking yards, ebay, and other sources to transplant identical systems into their own cars, and thus emulating an OEM HID lighting system. Most of these retrofitters congregate at the Philips Lighting Forum to exchange ideas, industry news, and retrofitting tips. Many of them will offer up their expertise and services to create a custom OEM retrofit into your own car. OEM conversions offer much more in the way of lighting performance, wow factor, and quality compared to plug and play kits. However, HID kits do offer the equally attractive benefits of ease of installation."

I'd actually like to see some pictures of the cut off that the guys with plug and play systems installed to see what they look like.

from: http://www.intellexual.net/hid.htm

 

[JunkPunch]

4000-5000k plug and play kits will offer very good performance with the stock headlight's lenses and reflectors, since the wavelength of the light they produce is fairly close to the stock halogens. 8000k lights, on the other hand, do nothing other than create glare. Personally I think $400 for a 4200K plug and play kit is well worth the performance upgrade, while $1200 for a retrofit is not worth it, since the increase is performance is not that great (for 4200K lights).

If people want 8000k lights, they should just buy some of the $20 bulbs dipped in blue ink.

 

[Limited Edition]

thanks for all the information guys....
I think i might just go with 6000K because it's the closest you can get to sunlight's rays. That way, i'll have a combination of great light output and good looks.
I guess with 6000K you can the best of both worlds....

 

[MikeBlueP5]

Aight, limited i just finished the install on the 7000K Kit from misterjung.com. I HIGHLY recommend his kit, the install was smooth, excellent quality wires, bulbs, and best of all a good warranty on everything, my girls warranty doesnt expire until like august of 04, not too shabby for some freaking headlights. But anyways i know its not a mazda and all(its an s10). OH yeah your car takes a H4 bulb, which i think the kit on his page is a dual beam setup, which would be awesome. Anyways lemme know what you think, here are pics of mine and hers mine is on the right hers left.
Mike
PS- i think i am going to buy a set of the 7000k bulbs from him. They look awesome, really purple and bright white.
<img src="http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/MikeBlueP5/stock left hid right.jpg" width=640 hieght=480>

<img src="http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/MikeBlueP5/P1000797.jpg" width=640 hieght=480>

<img src="http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/MikeBlueP5/P1000796.jpg" width=640 hieght=480>

<img src="http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/MikeBlueP5/P1000795.jpg" width=640 hieght=480>

<img src="http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/MikeBlueP5/HIDS/p1000794.jpg" width=640 hieght=480>


<img src="http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/MikeBlueP5/HIDS/p1000793.jpg" width=640 hieght=480>

<img src="http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/MikeBlueP5/HIDS/p1000792.jpg" width=640 hieght=480>


<img src="http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/MikeBlueP5/HIDS/p1000791.jpg" width=640 hieght=480>


<img src="http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/MikeBlueP5/HIDS/hid%20right.jpg" width=640 hieght=480>

<img src="http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/MikeBlueP5/stock left.jpg" width=640 hieght=480>

 

[JunkPunch]

For those thinking of getting 8000k lights, notice the insane amount of glare (or "dazzle") that 8000k lights create for oncoming drivers. You can really see it in the 3rd and 4th pictures.

 

[MikeBlueP5]

hey goof if you didnt notice it is foggy and raining! yeah they do have some glare and if you upgrade any bulb they will do that without projectors! go turn on your flood light on your house and take a pic it will have a glare. They arent as bad as you would think by looking at the pictures. Cameras always distort the true outcome. They are much clearer and whiter.

And actually her bulbs are 7000k and mine are the 8000k hers has a little more glare in the photos but it is because hers are brighter. Mine dont produce the same amount of lumens as hers do.
also oh smart one if you look at the first pic with the comparison of the stock and hid you will notice that the factory has the same amount of glare.
Mike

 

[twiztedjeckel]

remind me to post some pictures of the CATZ high/low dual beam HID kit i just installed last night

 

[JunkPunch]

Yes, I can see it is raining and foggy.

8000k lights (and 7000k to a lesser extent) produce a lot of glare without specially designed reflectors/lenses. Simple fact. This page has some excellent examples http://www.intellexual.net/hid.htm.

Do me a favor (seriously) park your car and your girl's car aiming the lights at a wall, and take a picture of the beam on the wall. I'm curious how different the cutoff and color is.

 

[MikeBlueP5]

I can do that, because there isnt much bleed at all contrary to your beleifs. I have done this before and surprisingly enough my car has a good cutoff to be a non HID car. But gimme a day to find a good enough wall to do it on, my garage is full of cars tonight and i cant or i would right now. But of course it isnt going to be as sharp as a bmw with projectors, but to be retrofitted it is good enough, until projectors are made/custom made for my car. We are looking into the projectors for her truck, although most of the ones i have found use the 9005 high beam bulbs in all sockets and her low beams are 9006.
Mike

 

[JunkPunch]

twiztedjeckel - where do you live in Binghamton? I grew up in Endicott.

 

[JunkPunch]

MikeBlueP5 - I have never seen a car with 8k lights that did not produce a lot of glare. That's why I am interested in pictures of the P5. Perhaps our reflectors/lenses are a good match for those lights.

 

[Limited Edition]

MikeBlueP5
thanks for the pictures of the S 10 install. I really like the 7000K over the 8000K. No fence, but i like the idea of producing more light than producing more colour. So that's why i'm thinking of getting 6000K. I think that's enough to satisfy both worlds. Anyway, do you know if my car uses 2 seperate bulbs for both high and low beams? or is it only 1 bulb?
Will i still have my day light running light after a HID conversion?

 

[eMKay]

JunkPunch is right. And the point of HID lighting is to produce light that is close to sunlight which is 5300K, normal halogen is 3200K, so the closer you get to 5300K the better.

 

[MikeBlueP5]

Limited as far as i know you have one single bulb for the low and high beam. It should be an H4 stroll outside and look on the front of the headlight right down on the part closest the the grill where it comes to a point and you should see some writing it should either say H4 or HB? something as far as the daytime running lights are concerned you should still have them and they should be functional. One thing when it turns dark do you have to turn on your headlights manually or is it automatically like in the chevys? Also when the daytime running lights are on are they the same brightness as the headlights at night, my only concern would be the amount of voltage going to the ballasts, which is the number one thing, you want to have a constant voltage. I know on my girls s10 she has 2 bulbs like the p5s (you have one) and her daytime running lights are actually the high beam bulbs running a lower voltage i think, I havent actually tested it with a meter, I guess I will one day. But I dont see why there would be a problem with the DRLs. As they are still getting power throught the same harness that the power goes through if you turn them on manually. and that is where the HIDs would hook up.
Mike

 

[MikeBlueP5]

aight junkpunch i found some pics, i went out last night plus it was still foggy and wet, so i didnt take new ones. but here are the links to a few of the older ones i have. One shows the headlights and the fogs and there is about the same amount of glare from each. And the other shows the cutoff, and like i said it isnt sharp like a projector is, and the foglight only has that sharp cutoff because of the shield. It might be interesting to try and make one for the headlights. I might try that at work now that i think about it. I will have to find some mild sheet metal. But here are the links to the pics. The wall makes them look green because it is satin stained brown.
Mike

 

[Limited Edition]

Mikebluep5..
is that your garage? I really like the wall of your garage..
looks good!
I still find the pictures to be too 'green' for me....
but again, i understand that pictures don't do justice. I would much rather have a purplish look as you'd get on a X5 BMW.

 

[MikeBlueP5]

I would much rather have a purplish look as you'd get on a X5 BMW.

Dont let the guys in the other post "looky at what i just got" see that, they have been ragging me for wanting slightly tinted headlights, instead of the white Katz system that twisted got. Its like i said to each their own. The Katz system I am sure is a good kit, but I prefer the Hella ballasts and all. Plus the ballast and starter are one piece with the hella ballasts, instead of trying to mount to boxes on each side you are only having to mount one with mine.
Mike
ps yeah thats "our" garage i guess its the family house, the bottom half is the stained wood and the top is white drywall. thanks.
Mike

 

[Limited Edition]

I wish i had a garage like that to park my girl.
Anyway, haha yeah, they have this on going thing about what's 'rice' or what not...i got so sick of reading that jink i just went onto another thread. So boring with this 'rice' stuff.

Anyway, Some said that Mr.jung's product is not that great. Do you think that's true? they have a good price, but that's just what i heard.