Racing Cosmic Blue Mazdaspeed 3 nailed by Hummer and kills both in Mazda.

[Bravnik]

The thing is thought, I have learned over the past two years not to give a s*** about showing off. And the hole girl thing, i dont worry my life about, and I would pull over to get more than head(butthump). Not to mention every kid is different. That is the only point I have tried to make. I am different from the kid who died because i know my limits. I have learned with my mom to value life, and I wouldn't do anything to jeopardize it. My parents don't just buy me everything I want either. I pay for anything and everything I want. 1G for my DSLR, $250 or tint, $150 a month for my car, $200+ a moth for gas, $400 for a cell phone. I believe that some kids mature faster and/or differently than others. And in my opinion you seem like a fat kid that was an unhappy. My dad was the the same way, but i can learn from his mistakes. And I'm not saying i don't go have fun in an empty parking lot once every few months, but i make sure I put myself/or anyone else in any harm. So ONCE again my parents are different than your parents, who are different from Joe Blows parents. That same effect is the same with kids.

LOL - Fat Kid that was unhappy - Oh how the maturity shows. Yep really mature there for a 16 year old. Actually about what I would expect from a 16 year old who feels they need to defend themselves.

So again, I wish your mom the best. I hope you drive safe and live to be my age and learn a bit more about life. I hope your parents don't ever have to regret buying you a MS3 and I hope you don't ether. Be safe, stay in school, off drugs and out of gangs.

 

[Betelgeuse]

read this one and maybe you'll think differently
http://www.wfsb.com/news/14267776/detail.html
that kid was allowed to keep driving by their rich ass parents, they kept buying him nice fast cars... who's fault is it?

I can see the mom in my mind saying "why did god take my baby?" god has nothing to do with either of these instances you dumb bitches

these are classic extreme examples of cause and effect... its sad people don't consider the consequences of what their decisions would be... it is the parents job to ensure the safety of their child and clearly both of these parents have failed miserably at this job

+1

LOL! While there are exceptions, teens shouldn't be given fast cars so early. I see them here taking unnecessary risks all the time. Your last statement is so true - many people just don't consider the possible consequences of the dumb things they do until something happens. If the other car wasn't a hummer, those other people probably would've been killed as well and what's sad is it could've been us or one of our friends or relatives.

Ic_MS3:

The fact that you take offense to the comments here shows your immaturity.
You need to accept the fact that you're in a age-group that statistically are more likely to wreck or be killed in a fast car. Now, like I said above, there are always exceptions and you might be one of them - good for you. But the stats don't lie.

 

[jaydubz]

LOL - Fat Kid that was unhappy - Oh how the maturity shows. Yep really mature there for a 16 year old. Actually about what I would expect from a 16 year old who feels they need to defend themselves.

So again, I wish your mom the best. I hope you drive safe and live to be my age and learn a bit more about life. I hope your parents don't ever have to regret buying you a MS3 and I hope you don't ether. Be safe, stay in school, off drugs and out of gangs.

I think you guys need to give LC some credit he is a 16 kid who is holding his own on a very opinionated forum and is bringing up some great points.

Posters like Bavnik seem to relish the fact that these kids were given a fast car and this some how led to their death. ****News Flash**** Even if those kids had been given a 85 honda civic hatch back they would probably still be dead! So are you going to argue that the honda had the potential for becoming fast and the parents should have considered this?!?! Get real!

I just love how someone who is probably in his mid 20 or lower can sit there and point the finger like that. If you want to blame the parents, blame them for not spending more time teaching them driving skills or spending more money on driving courses. Dont lump it all on just buying a car, how ignorant and misinformed of you!

If we want to talk about risks like betelgeuse had mentioned then look no further than this thread http://**********************/index.php?topic=92382.0 where forum members chronicle high speed risks. Maybe according to bravnik and Betelguese and others these were all 16 to 20 yr olds running amuck in their parental sourced MS3s. Stupidity takes all forms!

 

[MAZDARacing2007]

Im a 16 year old MS3 owner, and just because you are 16 doesnt meen that u are going to kill everyone and everything, yea it was stupid for him to be driving fast, and i actually knew him very well. he was a close friend and was a really awesome person. Yea it was his mistake, not the cars. Pray for him, and his family

 

[Betelgeuse]

Guys like I said before the stats don't lie. You could believe whatever you want to but at the end of the day, teens are less experienced drivers for the simple reason they haven't been behind the wheel long enough.


Yeah I drive fast but my risk taking has dramatically declined from when I was under 20. As I get older I double and triple check the situation before hand.


Jaydubz, speed kills and in the wrong hands, it's even worse. An ms3 will accelerate a whole lot quicker than an '85 civic or even the average civic on the road right now. The mentality of the average teen in a fast car is to show off to his friends and 'beat' every other car off the line or from a roll or whatever... it's just a phase of growing up. Been there done that. I'd rather him/her try to to do that in a civic or corolla than something a lot quicker

But your is point taken, teens will take risks in any car and that is true to some degree but they may be less inclined to do so in something they know is slow.

However like others mentioned, there's more to it than that. I think parents should teach good driving skills and hammer the dangers of speeding home. Giving their kid a fast car isn't best way to go about this for obvious reasons.

 

[oneofakindms3]

4 whoever said dis is da parents fault 50 50.Every parent wants to be da best at everything so if u buy ur young son a car ur just trying to do ur job as a father.2 da kids who crashed R.I.P i think i speak 4 evryone NO ONE IN DIS WORLD DESERVES 2 BURY THERE CHILDREN UR KIDS R SUPPOSE TO BURY U.Yah if da dad knew his son wuz an aggreive driver he shoulda gave em an escort but mistakes like this unfortunately happen n we all learn from our mistakes.Special condolences go out 2 there family.Cant believe u guys r bashing on dis kids parents show sum support n have sum sympathy.

 

[jaydubz]

Guys like I said before the stats don't lie. You could believe whatever you want to but at the end of the day, teens are less experienced drivers for the simple reason they haven't been behind the wheel long enough.


Yeah I drive fast but my risk taking has dramatically declined from when I was under 20. As I get older I double and triple check the situation before hand.


Jaydubz, speed kills and in the wrong hands, it's even worse. An ms3 will accelerate a whole lot quicker than an '85 civic or even the average civic on the road right now. The mentality of the average teen in a fast car is to show off to his friends and 'beat' every other car off the line or from a roll or whatever... it's just a phase of growing up. Been there done that. I'd rather him/her try to to do that in a civic or corolla than something a lot quicker

But your is point taken, teens will take risks in any car and that is true to some degree but they may be less inclined to do so in something they know is slow.

However like others mentioned, there's more to it than that. I think parents should teach good driving skills and hammer the dangers of speeding home. Giving their kid a fast car isn't best way to go about this for obvious reasons.

For argument sakes I wonder how many driving related accidents or fatalities occur in other locations outside of the US such as Europe? In London my cousins had to wait till they were 17 for a permit and were given numerous courses mandated by the government before self driving permits were given. I think Young drivers need more course on driving and teh consequences, ie: a trip to the morgue. I am sure there would be some bleeding heart politician that would fight that claiming it is far too severe, but I bet that would save numerous live. So damn sad to see young life taken when the best years are ahead. Prom, Sex, birth of a child, buying a house, sex, sex and some more sex. hehe had to throw in some comic relief due to the seriousness of this thread.

 

[Ebruess]

I'm a 17 year old CB MS3 driver and I truly believe there are some teenage drivers THAT SHOULD NOT drive these fast cars. My first car was a 911 Turbo that I purchased with money from my stock account on my 16th Birthday. Then, I purchased my MS3 back at the end of October and this car is extremely too fast for most of my friends. I would NEVER let one of my friends get behind the wheel of a MS3 or any car of this caliber. There has to be restraint while driving this car on open highways.

 

[Bravnik]

I think you guys need to give LC some credit he is a 16 kid who is holding his own on a very opinionated forum and is bringing up some great points.

Posters like Bavnik seem to relish the fact that these kids were given a fast car and this some how led to their death. ****News Flash**** Even if those kids had been given a 85 honda civic hatch back they would probably still be dead! So are you going to argue that the honda had the potential for becoming fast and the parents should have considered this?!?! Get real!

I just love how someone who is probably in his mid 20 or lower can sit there and point the finger like that. If you want to blame the parents, blame them for not spending more time teaching them driving skills or spending more money on driving courses. Dont lump it all on just buying a car, how ignorant and misinformed of you!

If we want to talk about risks like betelgeuse had mentioned then look no further than this thread http://**********************/index.php?topic=92382.0 where forum members chronicle high speed risks. Maybe according to bravnik and Betelguese and others these were all 16 to 20 yr olds running amuck in their parental sourced MS3s. Stupidity takes all forms!

Jaydubs - I don't relesh in anything. I'm simply stateing that you don't give a 16year old a 240HP car to toy around in and expect them to be 100% responsable. There are thousands of peer pressure things that a 16 year old has to face every day. Parents don't need to be giving them more....

....Wow Nice car man, how fast does it go. My car is faster than you'rs lets race....I love fast cars they make me hot...Just one hit, it wont hurt you....Common pussy try it...etc.etc.etc.

There is just way more peer pressure at 16 then there is at even 20. Kids are Kids and 16 years old you have not even got your dick wet enough to know what sex is.

You see, us parents base our morals and ethics of our own experiences at that age. I was a very responsible child, worked, went to school, had good grades and was NEVER in trouble with the law. BUT I did things that I would never want my child to do and todays kids are a lot more crazy due to Media and TV.

But I degress. You can't teach a 16year old anything and you damn sure can't teach parenting skills over the Internet. I will say it again.....Do you honestly believe that the Mother and Father are not kicking themselves in the ass for buying their 17year old a MS3? I bet they really regret that decision. That's what all parents need to think about before buying their kids anything.

And yes anyone can kill themselves in any car, however, odds are he would not have chanced the pass in a Civic, Kia, Pinto etc. because he would not have had the confidence that a faster car brings to the driver. A driver is more apt to take the risk if they are overconfident in what their car or they can do. End of story.

For the record, I'm 42 with 2 kids.

 

[Red5_02]

I know my limits, and I still can have a fast car at 16.

How in the world at 16 do you know your limits on the road. You may have learned to drive with professional drivers but that basically means bulls*** when you are on a public road with people who aren't. Swear up and down that you know how to drive a car, you do. But you can't convince anyone on here that with less than a year on your license you know anything about driving on public roads.

The fastest i have been was 110 on the 5 freeway avoiding side-swiped by a big rig. I drive no faster than 75-80 in free flowing traffic.

You talk about being responsible. How the hell is is going 110 on the freeway even remotely responsible. If you were my kid and I found out you did that I'd knock you in your friggin head.

 

[Akaveli]

How in the world at 16 do you know your limits on the road. You may have learned to drive with professional drivers but that basically means bulls*** when you are on a public road with people who aren't. Swear up and down that you know how to drive a car, you do. But you can't convince anyone on here that with less than a year on your license you know anything about driving on public roads.



You talk about being responsible. How the hell is is going 110 on the freeway even remotely responsible. If you were my kid and I found out you did that I'd knock you in your friggin head.

+1
Lc_MS3 your pretty much proving everyones point for drivers at that age. As for your sake, do the speed limit instead of 110mph or 75 - 80mph on free flowing traffic and drive responsible.

 

[icespeed]

I read some of these posts and i have a hard time accepting that these are your guys' real feelings. The ignorance is overwhelming. Please tell me that you guys are just being the devil's advocate and e-hating because of such.

Please, for the love of all things natural and un-natural, tell me that these blabberings (if that's a word) and attacks on LC are just for shoes and giggles... just wanting to give the kid a hard time, fathering with him, etc.

Because seriously, if you guys truly believe these preachings you have "oh-so-mightedly" bestowed on this LC kid (and the others), then I feel really fathering bad for YOUR kids. I actually feel worse for your kids than I do for this kid that died or his parents. You guys are brainwashing your fathering kids and the fact of the matter is being 30 or 40 or 50, you still don't have a fathering clue. "Oh, I've driven longer so I know what I'm doing" mentality is a bunch horse shoe... not even bull shoe, HORSE SHOE. You should see how many fathering people I have to swerve around on a day to day because Yuppie dad is on the phone in his G35 or Soccer Mom is reaching over to read her book WHILE DRIVING.

Get off your high horses. Being 40 does not make your point of view automatically right. Saying all 16's year olds today shouldn't drive fast cars is as ignorant as me saying that all teens from the 80's are fathered up coke heads with pink spiked hair and nipple chains you could jump rope in.

Darn you beeswaxes really got to me. lol Hopefully, and I stress hopefully, you guys are just fathering with this kid. I'll gladly apologize if you guys come clean and stop messing with this kid.

 

[ericrapp]

Im a 16 year old MS3 owner, and just because you are 16 doesnt meen that u are going to kill everyone and everything, yea it was stupid for him to be driving fast, and i actually knew him very well. he was a close friend and was a really awesome person. Yea it was his mistake, not the cars. Pray for him, and his family

I see alot of mixed feelings on this and i guess it depends on where you stand. At 14 i was allowed have my parents volvo 144. A slow slow car with as it turned out excellent brakes and a well balanced chassis. a perfect starter in retrospect and i loved it. We had somegreat EMPTY back roads and my buds and i would challenge ourselves daily for YEARS I then bought a 72 dart 318 and first time i wound it up it scared me but i worked my into it. Getting to my point when i first puchased my speed3 i was scared to turn hard at full throttle but im ok now. Ok im 46 years old and have 4 children who drive and that has been my biggest fear of my life. I taught all of them about dynamics, vision(awareness of moving objects and immoveable ones)Developed their skills, take it past the limits,in a safe wide open space . im lucky The parents responsibility is to put a safe, aware and educated driver out there who fully respects the consequences of their actions that might and do affect innocents This a shameful incident on many levels. You youngsters, wisdom is derived from experience PLEASE DONT RUSH IT!

 

[Betelgeuse]

I read some of these posts and i have a hard time accepting that these are your guys' real feelings. The ignorance is overwhelming. Please tell me that you guys are just being the devil's advocate and e-hating because of such.

Please, for the love of all things natural and un-natural, tell me that these blabberings (if that's a word) and attacks on LC are just for s**** and giggles... just wanting to give the kid a hard time, ******* with him, etc.

Because seriously, if you guys truly believe these preachings you have "oh-so-mightedly" bestowed on this LC kid (and the others), then I feel really ******* bad for YOUR kids. I actually feel worse for your kids than I do for this kid that died or his parents. You guys are brainwashing your ******* kids and the fact of the matter is being 30 or 40 or 50, you still don't have a ******* clue. "Oh, I've driven longer so I know what I'm doing" mentality is a bunch horse s***... not even bull s***, HORSE s***. You should see how many ******* people I have to swerve around on a day to day because Yuppie dad is on the phone in his G35 or Soccer Mom is reaching over to read her book WHILE DRIVING.

Get off your high horses. Being 40 does not make your point of view automatically right. Saying all 16's year olds today shouldn't drive fast cars is as ignorant as me saying that all teens from the 80's are ****** up coke heads with pink spiked hair and nipple chains you could jump rope in.

Damn you bitches really got to me. lol Hopefully, and I stress hopefully, you guys are just ******* with this kid. I'll gladly apologize if you guys come clean and stop messing with this kid.

^^My advice to you, wear a condom at all times or just get a vasectomy (assuming you're male). Also if you're gonna use foul language and act all badass at least try to back up your mouth with some facts. Your post isn't worth a detailed response.

 

[FrankDiscussion]

Time to toss my 2 cents in. I'm 42 years old and my first car was a 1975 Chevy Vega, so I had a tough time even keeping up with the speed limit. Been driving since I was 16 and never been in a accident.

My daughter is 15 months old, if it were up to me she wouldn't be in a car seat, she would be encased in a titanium cocoon in the rear seat. The levels of idiocy and incompetence displayed on the roads simply amaze me at time, and the statistics don't lie, teenagers are simply more likely to be involved in a fatal crash. Doesn't justify the generalization that all teenagers can't drive, plenty of idiots out there to go around. My sympathies to all involved.

 

[icespeed]

^^My advice to you, wear a condom at all times or just get a vasectomy (assuming you're male). Also if you're gonna use foul language and act all badass at least try to back up your mouth with some facts. Your post isn't worth a detailed response.

Would my opinion warrant consideration if I didn't use foul language? I can go back and clean it up if you'd like

And what facts would you like me to throw out? The internet is at my disposal. I can pull statistics until the cows come home.

Fact: Coke was a HUGE problem in the 80's (hence Nancy's D.A.R.E.)

Fact: A member of the band Poison (need I say more?) had pink hair.

Fact: People above the age of 18 get in fatal car accidents.

Strike-through fact. This is more of an observation and can be construed as Opinion:
People of all ages do stupid Shtuff while behind the steering wheel. I don't have tangible proof to support this, as I don't video tape my driving. The other day my mom and I were driving home and the lady next to us, probably in her late 30's was playing with her laptop, while driving. The laptop was sandwiched between her and the steering wheel.

Fact: The G35 is a sports car that has a ranged msrp of ~ $35,000.00 U.S. Dollars.
Assumption: I assume that atleast 1 "Yuppie" drives a G35 in this world.
Assumption: I assume that atleast 1 "Yuppie" has a child/children.

Fact: There are mothers out there that take their kids to soccer practice.
Assumption: They drive minivans and are termed "soccer moms".

Fact: I am 29 years old.
Fact: I have been driving "legally" since 1993.
Fact: All people die.
Fact: This kid that died did so in a MS3
Fact: The MS3 is a FWD car

What other facts, sir?

Perhaps definitions, then? Taken from Webster's Dictionary online (www.m-w.com)
****: Main Entry: 1fuck
Pronunciation: \ˈfək\
Function: verb
Etymology: akin to Dutch fokken to breed (cattle), Swedish dialect fkka to copulate
Date: circa 1503
intransitive verb
1usually obscene : copulate
2usually vulgar : mess 3 used with with
transitive verb
1usually obscene : to engage in coitus with sometimes used interjectionally with an object (as a personal or reflexive pronoun) to express anger, contempt, or disgust
2usually vulgar : to deal with unfairly or harshly : cheat screw

s***:Main Entry: 1shit
Pronunciation: \ˈshit, interjectionally also ˈshē-ət\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English *s***, from Old English scite; akin to Old English -scītan to defecate
Date: circa 1526
1usually vulgar : feces
2usually vulgar : an act of defecation
3usually vulgar : nonsense crap
4usually vulgar : any of several intoxicating or narcotic drugs; especially : heroin
5usually vulgar : damn 2
6usually vulgar : a worthless, offensive, or detestable person
7usually vulgar aused as an interjection bused as an intensive usually with the
bad \ˈshi-tē\ adjective usually vulgar

bulls***:Main Entry: 1bullshit
Pronunciation: \ˈbu̇l-ˌshit also ˈbəl-\
Function: noun
Etymology: 1bull & 6bull
Date: 1914
usually vulgar : nonsense; especially : foolish insolent talk

As for the condom comment: LOL

So, I have stated "facts" for you.... perhaps you can return the favor and post a "detailed response" as you so politely refused before.

 

[CX-7owner]

I had my first car, it was an S40 that I flipped over on the freeway going at speeds of over 70-75MPH, and the CHP automatically thought I was going 90MPH-100MPH, etc.. because I was so "young". I explained what happened and they still didn't believe me, the car lost control because of a blow-out, not excessive speed, if I was going that fast the results would have been way worse.
So I hate people who put all teenagers in the same category as a reckless endangerment to society.
I'm sure if it was an MSP driver you all knew, or MS3 driver that was speeding and lost control you would all be sobbing saying how great of a person they we're etc.. and how they didn't deserve it, but if you all didn't know them from a hole in the ground, and they we're relatively young, oh **** them, he must have been a stupid SOB, speeding on public roads, **** the parents too, although I don't really know them, **** them too, they're stupid, and I've never met them before in my life.

 

[bbychvz]

regardless, it's still a shame

X2 it really sucks

 

[Betelgeuse]

Would my opinion warrant consideration if I didn't use foul language? I can go back and clean it up if you'd like

And what facts would you like me to throw out? The internet is at my disposal. I can pull statistics until the cows come home.

Fact: Coke was a HUGE problem in the 80's (hence Nancy's D.A.R.E.)

Fact: A member of the band Poison (need I say more?) had pink hair.

Fact: People above the age of 18 get in fatal car accidents.

Strike-through fact. This is more of an observation and can be construed as Opinion:
People of all ages do stupid Shtuff while behind the steering wheel. I don't have tangible proof to support this, as I don't video tape my driving. The other day my mom and I were driving home and the lady next to us, probably in her late 30's was playing with her laptop, while driving. The laptop was sandwiched between her and the steering wheel.

Jeez, another post and nothing said. Didn't mean to make you work hard.

Are you denying the most important fact already cited that teenagers in a certain age group are more likely to get into accidents? If you are, post those facts - those are what I'm looking for.

http://www.rmiia.org/Auto/Teens/Teen_Driving_Statistics.htm

After you do that we can continue.

 

[meha11]

Here’s my $.02

When i passed my motorcycle test in the UK i was still under 21. The government restricted all u21's with full motorcycle entitlement to 33hp. This meant you could still have any bike but it then had to be restricted to 33hp for 1 year- This was a direct result to kids killing themselves on fireblades and such.

With today’s cars being very quick i feel under 18's should be restricted in a similar way (16 is too young to drive anyway but thats another discussion).
Teenagers statistically do stupid things, yes they can do stupid things in a slow car too (i admit i was one of those) but the potential to cause harm/damage to themselves and others is reduced if speed is lowered.

I’m in my 30’s now and I look back, at the time I thought I was a great driver, now with hindsight I am just happy I made it. My first car had about 45bhp, it was far from a sports car but I would insist on driving it like one.

My wife is now pregnant with our first child, when he/she is 16 they are getting an old bronco. I have new found sorrow for the parents due to their loss, but I consider buying their kid a hot hatch to be a mistake.