Racing Cosmic Blue Mazdaspeed 3 nailed by Hummer and kills both in Mazda.

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..........it pisses me off that parents keep buying their kids nice ******* cars and hurting themselves and people......

........I want to shoot them for being such idiots in spoiling their kid in buying him a nice fast ass car.........


..........that kid was allowed to keep driving by their rich ass parents, they kept buying him nice fast cars...


After 3 separate mentions of kids being spoiled or having rich parents who buy them nice cars, I am starting to see a pattern or possible motivation in your replies.


Was it the best idea to put this kid behind the wheel of an MS3? Apparently not. Did he act foolishly? Most certainly.
Do his parents deserve the tragedy of losing two children?
Did he deserve to die?

No. In fact, it's callous to suggest such. It was a series of bad decisions that ended up with two innocent people injured and two people dead.

Tragic event? Absolutely.
Deserved? No.
 
Once again this is a case of a stupid driver not car. I know my limits, and I still can have a fast car at 16. So to say ALL teens are bad drivers and should not be aloud to have a "car of this caliper"(which once again is not "faster than 90% of vehicles out there") is like saying "all Hispanic people are illegal aliens" or "All German people hate Jewish people". Also to say my parents are stupid would not be correct. They knew exactly what they bought me, and they knew I could handle it without being dangerous to myself or anyone else.



See above comment, and please learn to get over yourself and your car. Yes it is a fast car, but they're cars out there that ARE faster. Like I said earlier, you guys are starting to sound like EVO owners. You don't think anything out there is faster, and that is what is dangerous. You are always out to make sure people think you are the fastest. Coming from learning how to drive in a Porsche 911, a 350Z and a C6 Vette, this car was nothing new to me. And I believe someone said this earlier, but a stupid teen in any car is dangerous, just like a good driver in a not so great car can still drive well.



Once again not trying to start an E-fight, but i resent being told that I'm either "spoiled", "Have stupid parents" or "I don't have the 'experience to drive a 20K car". I find people who say this ignorant a$$ holes.(eekfu)

I don't think anyone here has claimed this is the fastest car on the road. Everyone is saying that this car is too fast for a 16 year old. BTW, no one said you don't have the experience to drive a 20K car, price has nothing to do with it.
 
Once again this is a case of a stupid driver not car. I know my limits, and I still can have a fast car at 16. So to say ALL teens are bad drivers and should not be aloud to have a "car of this caliper"(which once again is not "faster than 90% of vehicles out there") is like saying "all Hispanic people are illegal aliens" or "All German people hate Jewish people". Also to say my parents are stupid would not be correct. They knew exactly what they bought me, and they knew I could handle it without being dangerous to myself or anyone else.



See above comment, and please learn to get over yourself and your car. Yes it is a fast car, but they're cars out there that ARE faster. Like I said earlier, you guys are starting to sound like EVO owners. You don't think anything out there is faster, and that is what is dangerous. You are always out to make sure people think you are the fastest. Coming from learning how to drive in a Porsche 911, a 350Z and a C6 Vette, this car was nothing new to me. And I believe someone said this earlier, but a stupid teen in any car is dangerous, just like a good driver in a not so great car can still drive well.



Once again not trying to start an E-fight, but i resent being told that I'm either "spoiled", "Have stupid parents" or "I don't have the 'experience to drive a 20K car". I find people who say this ignorant a$$ holes.(eekfu)


As I said I expect a comment like this from a 16year old. I know you think you know it all but believe me you don't even have a clue what life is about.

My opinion is that your parents are foolish to buy a MS3 for you at 16. Just about any adult will agree. Those that don't are just like your parents and do it to be cool parents, so their kid can be cool or because they just are stupid.

I ask you this;w Do you actually think the parents that just lost 2 kids regret their stupid decision and don't you think they felt their kid was as responsible as you? I bet coming from a NHRA family that 17year old probably drove cars that were way faster than you or I. I would bet he probably even been to driving school etc. and was VERY familure with fast cars. However, he was still 17 with his hormones going nuts through puberty, a lot to prove to dad etc.

So again, you're 16 and have no clue about life and I expect you to fight that fact tooth and nail. However, when your a parent maybe by then you will learn what your parents have failed to learn and what the parents of those 2 kids wished they would have learned.

Until such time....try your best to stay safe both in the car and out.
 
I learned driving mostly from professional drivers. Many of which are family friends. Also learning from my 50 year old father who has had fast cars all his life. And once again 16 year olds aren't the only people that are idiots when driving. ANYONE can be an idiot while driving. Age and Sex not having anything to do with it. And again MS3 IS NOT a "monster of a car".



The fastest i have been was 110 on the 5 freeway avoiding side-swiped by a big rig. I drive no faster than 75-80 in free flowing traffic.




What i was trying to say is that a MASDASPEED3 is no exotic sports car. It is a sports car but I can easily name 10 cars faster than it (putting down the 90%). My car is tied in last place of fastest car in my family. My dad drives a Vette, that we just got after having a Porsche. My brother drives a Z(the tie). So to say that "90% of cars are slower" is ignorant and ill put. My dad told me he drove cars much more potent than this when he was a kid. So once again "kids" DO SOME RESEARCH ON OTHER CARS!!!!!!!(asshole) Love to see you call my dad stupid to face. What a stupid thing to say. Or my mom for that fact.

I rest my case by the name calling. And 90% of cars are slower? I guarantee you just in Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Ford Focus, Chevy Impala, Ford F-150, Chevy trucks, Dodge Caravans etc. sales that those cars are 90% slower.
 
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I don't think anyone here has claimed this is the fastest car on the road. Everyone is saying that this car is too fast for a 16 year old. BTW, no one said you don't have the experience to drive a 20K car, price has nothing to do with it.

Not what i meant. I was trying to point out that a MS3 is not a super expensive sports car that few can afford. At 20K it is reasonable for a teenager to afford. What i was referring to was when someone said that "MS3's were faster than 90% of other cars" which is not true.

As I said I expect a comment like this from a 16year old. I know you think you know it all but believe me you don't even have a clue what life is about.

My opinion is that your parents are foolish to buy a MS3 for you at 16. Just about any adult will agree. Those that don't are just like your parents and do it to be cool parents, so their kid can be cool or because they just are stupid.

I ask you this;w Do you actually think the parents that just lost 2 kids regret their stupid decision and don't you think they felt their kid was as responsible as you? I bet coming from a NHRA family that 17year old probably drove cars that were way faster than you or I. I would bet he probably even been to driving school etc. and was VERY familure with fast cars. However, he was still 17 with his hormones going nuts through puberty, a lot to prove to dad etc.

So again, you're 16 and have no clue about life and I expect you to fight that fact tooth and nail. However, when your a parent maybe by then you will learn what your parents have failed to learn and what the parents of those 2 kids wished they would have learned.

Until such time....try your best to stay safe both in the car and out.

I will be the first to tell you I don't know it all, but once again to say my parents are foolish is ignorant. My parents let me get this car because i am responsible, and have never liked to show off. My older broth on the other hand got a civic because they knew he would show off. So each case is individual. As for the kid, if he made a decision to cross a double yellow line, he would have done it in any car he was in, Mazda, Honda, or Kia. And to say my parents fail is quite opposite of the truth.
But if having a son in college, with a 3.5GPA and a good paying job, a son in high school with a 3.0GPA, also with a job, another son in elementary school. Both of them have 40+ hour a week jobs. Not to mention neither me nor any of my brothers smoke, drink, or do any drugs. Not to mention my mom is fighting Stage 4 breast cancer. Far from failing in life. (scratch)???
 
Not what i meant. I was trying to point out that a MS3 is not a super expensive sports car that few can afford. At 20K it is reasonable for a teenager to afford. What i was referring to was when someone said that "MS3's were faster than 90% of other cars" which is not true.



I will be the first to tell you I don't know it all, but once again to say my parents are foolish is ignorant. My parents let me get this car because i am responsible, and have never liked to show off. My older broth on the other hand got a civic because they knew he would show off. So each case is individual. As for the kid, if he made a decision to cross a double yellow line, he would have done it in any car he was in, Mazda, Honda, or Kia. And to say my parents fail is quite opposite of the truth.
But if having a son in college, with a 3.5GPA and a good paying job, a son in high school with a 3.0GPA, also with a job, another son in elementary school. Both of them have 40+ hour a week jobs. Not to mention neither me nor any of my brothers smoke, drink, or do any drugs. Not to mention my mom is fighting Stage 4 breast cancer. Far from failing in life. (scratch)???


See this is a perfect case, nobody said that your parents are failing they said foolish there is a big difference.
 
I must have missed the failure part. Enjoy your teens its a great time and you have a great car to have fun in. Good luck

Thank you.(dance) I try to live everyday to its fullest. My parents call it "getting high on life". I appreciate the small amount of support from people out there in Mazdas24/7-land that agree that this was a stupid kid and that this accident had nothing to do with the car he was driving.
 
I think if you're going to be retarded you're gonna do it in any vehicle. I had my first car a 1995 ford ranger at 16-17 on the freeway going 125-130 and i'll tell you first hand that speed in that truck wasnt the safest thing i could have been doing. i do think though that had that kid been taught to respect those speeds that he'd be alive today. i know even at that age even with that speed i knew what i could handle and where to be doing it and i don't think that it matters what vehicle it would have been i would have done the same thing. i was taught to do 80-90 on the freeway safely because most of the freeways around here average speed is 85 in the "fast lane". i definitely think with the advent of the "fast and furious" that parents should have been teaching their kids respect of their cars and other drivers on the road and i don't think parents do that today when they are giving their kids cars let alone cars like this. s*** look at Hulk Hogans kid last year with his supra.
 
Idiots - Foolish, its all the same in the end. You're 16 you have no idea what's going to happen at 17. The first girl that gets in your car and says she gets really hot and loves to give head going fast will have your foot on the floorboard so fast your head will spin.

You're not old enough for Sex, drugs, girls (or guys) etc are in your life. By 18 you could be a meth addict for all we know.

A parents job is to do their best to protect their children. We do that by trying to teach them right but in the end its up to the child to do the right thing. You could very well go the rest of your life without a wreck or ticket.

However, parents can't just assume their kids will do the right thing 100% of the time. Thus they need to set limits and one limit I set is what car my children would get. There is no way I would buy my son a fast car. Not because he is a bad kid because he is actually a very responsable one. I would not because even good kids make bad decisions.

My parents thought I was a good kid. They purchased for me anything I ever wanted within reason. What they didn't know was that kid that had A's and B's was also a Pot smoker, Acid taker, Pill Popper and Beer drinker on the weekends. The things I did in my moms F150 would make your head spin. However, in my parents mind I was a great kid because they didn't know or refused to see.

However, I was lucky and to this day I have had 0 wrecks in my life, 3 tickets for speeding and no issues with the law ever. But that does not mean anything other than I was lucky. Get the point? Oh and forgot to mention that I'm 42YOA.

And on a side note, I hope your mom does good and I wish her the best.
 
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Idiots - Foolish, its all the same in the end. You're 16 you have no idea what's going to happen at 17. The first girl that gets in your car and says she gets really hot and loves to give head going fast will have your foot on the floorboard so fast your head will spin.

You're not old enough for Sex, drugs, girls (or guys) etc are in your life. By 18 you could be a meth addict for all we know.

A parents job is to do their best to protect their children. We do that by trying to teach them right but in the end its up to the child to do the right thing. You could very well go the rest of your life without a wreck or ticket.

However, parents can't just assume their kids will do the right thing 100% of the time. Thus they need to set limits and one limit I set is what car my children would get. There is no way I would buy my son a fast car. Not because he is a bad kid because he is actually a very responsable one. I would not because even good kids make bad decisions.

My parents thought I was a good kid. They purchased for me anything I ever wanted within reason. What they didn't know was that kid that had A's and B's was also a Pot smoker, Acid taker, Pill Popper and Beer drinker on the weekends. The things I did in my moms F150 would make your head spin. However, in my parents mind I was a great kid because they didn't know or refused to see.

However, I was lucky and to this day I have had 0 wrecks in my life, 3 tickets for speeding and no issues with the law ever. But that does not mean anything other than I was lucky. Get the point? Oh and forgot to mention that I'm 42YOA.

And on a side note, I hope your mom does good and I wish her the best.

The thing is thought, I have learned over the past two years not to give a s*** about showing off. And the hole girl thing, i dont worry my life about, and I would pull over to get more than head(butthump). Not to mention every kid is different. That is the only point I have tried to make. I am different from the kid who died because i know my limits. I have learned with my mom to value life, and I wouldn't do anything to jeopardize it. My parents don't just buy me everything I want either. I pay for anything and everything I want. 1G for my DSLR, $250 or tint, $150 a month for my car, $200+ a moth for gas, $400 for a cell phone. I believe that some kids mature faster and/or differently than others. And in my opinion you seem like a fat kid that was an unhappy. My dad was the the same way, but i can learn from his mistakes. And I'm not saying i don't go have fun in an empty parking lot once every few months, but i make sure I put myself/or anyone else in any harm. So ONCE again my parents are different than your parents, who are different from Joe Blows parents. That same effect is the same with kids.
 
I'm a little torn on this one. It's always so very easy to point fingers when something like this happens. If the driver had survived and the passenger still died, is it still the parents fault? Or would we point fingers at the driver?

As far as I'm concerned (and I am by no means 16, although maybe still a kid mentally?) the only one who should be held accountable is the actual driver. He is the one that crossed the double yellow line. I don't care how fast the car is, how slow it is, who his brother's girlfriend's mom's ex boyfriend is, who his parents are or anything else. He was the one driving. A car cannot drive itself (yet). Therefore the car didn't decide it was going to cross the line for the driver. He is the one that made these decisions. Why not blame society while we're at it? Let's blame atari, they are, after-all, the ones who really mainstreamed video games 30 years ago. If not for Atari, "kids" now-a-days wouldn't be playing GT4 on PS2. Maybe we can blame the tire company. Please, please, we need someone to blame. Someone must be held accountable!

Looking back over the past 14 years (since I was 16), I have only learned one thing. I have learned it over and over and over again. People are hypocrites. I have not learned anything new about driving. The are only two driving laws that have changed (that I can think of). The speed limits were changed from the federal level to the state level and Florida is no longer no-fault.

Street racing is not a new thing because of the fast and the furious. For all you "old" people, go back and watch Better off Dead. For those a generation older than that, go back and watch American Graffitti. For those still older, watch Rebel without a Cause.

People driving "stupid" is not a new development either. If anything kids now-a-days are better off than when I was younger. Or perhaps when people older than me were younger. My parents grew up in the muscle car era. 400hp cars with no crumple zones, no headrests, no airbags, lapbelts instead of three point seatbelts. There were no child restraints back then. Power steering and NON-abs disc brakes were merely options back then.

My first car didn't have abs, airbags, disc brakes, hell maybe not even crumple zones. The only people I can imagine saying this MS3 is too fast for kids either a) completely forgot their childhoods (meaning muscle car era) or grew up in the late 70's to late 80's where the mpg was more important. Even if option B is the case, you still must concede that these "more powerful" cars have a better chance of saving lives than our cars did from the 80's.

I'd like to think I know how to drive "properly". In '94 I drove 60 in a 45 and I still drive 60 in a 45. In '94 I always knew my surroundings while behind the wheel and I still do today. Do I break the laws of the road? Probably on a daily basis in some form or another. What about everyone else? Inconsequential unless they directly effect me.

Yeah it's tragic that this had to happen this way. But, at the end of the day, this kid made a bad decision and it cost him his life as well as his brother's.

His parents are going through enough right now w/o some jackbags looking for someone to crucify. Say your peace and pray the people in the hummer pull through.
 
I'm a little torn on this one. It's always so very easy to point fingers when something like this happens. If the driver had survived and the passenger still died, is it still the parents fault? Or would we point fingers at the driver?

As far as I'm concerned (and I am by no means 16, although maybe still a kid mentally?) the only one who should be held accountable is the actual driver. He is the one that crossed the double yellow line. I don't care how fast the car is, how slow it is, who his brother's girlfriend's mom's ex boyfriend is, who his parents are or anything else. He was the one driving. A car cannot drive itself (yet). Therefore the car didn't decide it was going to cross the line for the driver. He is the one that made these decisions. Why not blame society while we're at it? Let's blame atari, they are, after-all, the ones who really mainstreamed video games 30 years ago. If not for Atari, "kids" now-a-days wouldn't be playing GT4 on PS2. Maybe we can blame the tire company. Please, please, we need someone to blame. Someone must be held accountable!

Looking back over the past 14 years (since I was 16), I have only learned one thing. I have learned it over and over and over again. People are hypocrites. I have not learned anything new about driving. The are only two driving laws that have changed (that I can think of). The speed limits were changed from the federal level to the state level and Florida is no longer no-fault.

Street racing is not a new thing because of the fast and the furious. For all you "old" people, go back and watch Better off Dead. For those a generation older than that, go back and watch American Graffitti. For those still older, watch Rebel without a Cause.

People driving "stupid" is not a new development either. If anything kids now-a-days are better off than when I was younger. Or perhaps when people older than me were younger. My parents grew up in the muscle car era. 400hp cars with no crumple zones, no headrests, no airbags, lapbelts instead of three point seatbelts. There were no child restraints back then. Power steering and NON-abs disc brakes were merely options back then.

My first car didn't have abs, airbags, disc brakes, hell maybe not even crumple zones. The only people I can imagine saying this MS3 is too fast for kids either a) completely forgot their childhoods (meaning muscle car era) or grew up in the late 70's to late 80's where the mpg was more important. Even if option B is the case, you still must concede that these "more powerful" cars have a better chance of saving lives than our cars did from the 80's.

I'd like to think I know how to drive "properly". In '94 I drove 60 in a 45 and I still drive 60 in a 45. In '94 I always knew my surroundings while behind the wheel and I still do today. Do I break the laws of the road? Probably on a daily basis in some form or another. What about everyone else? Inconsequential unless they directly effect me.

Yeah it's tragic that this had to happen this way. But, at the end of the day, this kid made a bad decision and it cost him his life as well as his brother's.

His parents are going through enough right now w/o some jackbags looking for someone to crucify. Say your peace and pray the people in the hummer pull through.

Thank you. All I was trying to say here. NOT THE CAR. The KID made the bad move and my prayers are with him.
 
... And I'm not saying i don't go have fun in an empty parking lot once every few months, but i make sure I put myself/or anyone else in any harm.

hehe make sure you put yourself along with other people in any harm when you do donuts. hehehe
 
lol, yeah, lc_ms3, you forgot the "don't" in that statement. You don't want to put yourself or anyone else in harms way.
 
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