President's Approval Rating Dips Below 40

mp3wannabe said:
oh really? the deficit was WAAAY out there huh? then how come in the 2000 election the big arguing point was where to give the SURPLUS? i dont mean to start a war or anything, but just get your facts straight.

No fights ;) , I don't remember the numbers they put out I just remember them arguing over what needed to be done to fix it. I also remember Bush saying that his admin would cut it down. Then 9/11 hit and all hell broke lose. @ wars later our econome is doing better then it was before 9/11. With all that this admin has been threw our country is better then it was. Thats what I guess I'm trying to say. Bush isn't as bad as every one is trying to make him to be. Were was this lates poll? No one asked me to vote in it.
 
Lets revisit this guy...

1. An unending war in iraq (Many dead Americans, no end in sight)
2. No Bin Laden
3. No WMD or Saddam/ Al Queda connections.
4. HUGE Deficit
5. HUGE Gas Prices
6. bad disaster response

Yep! He's a WINNER!
 
1. yes, of course, most major wars occupying and rebuilding other countries havent taken much less than two years :rolleyes:
2. who cares, were still looking and the guy has been rendered obsolete. notice everything comes from "second in command" this or that.
3. again, who cares. if you were there, or knew s*** about the country before during and after you would know it was a great venture for the iraqis (you know, to save them from the murderous dictator who was dangerous. of course there are no connections, he had, what, 8 years with clinton plus more to ******* do whatever he wanted and hide whatever he wanted because the UN/Europe are a bunch of ******* worthless military powers?)
4. read up on alexander hamilton, you know, the guy on your ten dollar bills. its better to have a deficiet and spend money internally than to have a surplus. oh, and btw, we were attacked on our soil (remember that? probably not, CNN told you to forget), so its kinda hard to send troops overseas for 4 years for free :rolleyes:
5. yes, compared to the rest of the world we have huge gas prices :rolleyes: and its all bush's fault to boot that we have gas prices. youre a ******* moron if you actually think its all bush's fault we have bad gas prices...i forgot, he's head of opec in his spare time.....but WAIT.....here is the ultimate irony - you think that the wars were wasteful, for oil etc, but support bush doing WHAT to lower the oil prices? ask nicely? bbaahahahahaa youre so ******* niave. you just prove the point time and again that not only are you a moron, have no idea what youre talking about, but that the war wasnt for oil.
6. odd that FEMA's disaster response has taken about 3 days over the course of history. of course, this is bush's fault too. dammit, he was supposed to carry all those supplies himself, what a loser!

Your posts are so ******* funny.
 
I'll admit that I hate that bastard as much as you seem to love him. He's the worst, and most damaging, president the country has had in a long long time.

Hughes412 said:
Just admit it you don't like him so you will never say anything positive about him. Yet for evey bad thing you say there will be some thing good said.
 
yes he is. nothing like 8 years of welcoming the terrorists to build up, know they could attack us anywhere in the world and get away with it, and we wouldnt do s***...

oh wait....

























that was clinton (oops).
 
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1killercls said:
Lets revisit this guy...

1. An unending war in iraq (Many dead Americans, no end in sight)
2. No Bin Laden
3. No WMD or Saddam/ Al Queda connections.
4. HUGE Deficit
5. HUGE Gas Prices
6. bad disaster response

Yep! He's a WINNER!


Another person thats blames every thing on just one man. Lets see,

An unending war in Iraq! Many dead, yes there are. That's their job; if they didn't want the chance to die in battle then they never should have joined. That's the chance you take. Plus the majority of both parties agreed with it at the time this started and backed him. Even Kerry said he would have done the same thing. It's not his fault that the intel was bad.

No Ben Laden, yea he messed up. He had him cornered and the U.S. most likely could have captured him. But the Afghans wanted to do it so that they could show the world that their country wasn't backing the terrorist. They are the ones that failed at getting them, while Bush failed at trusting them.
So that's not just his fault.

No WOMD! NOPE! Not one. But that goes back to the bad intel from the CIA that after he found out the screwed up Bush canned the head guys and rebuilt the CIA. Oh and remember these CIA guys were in there before Bush took office so it was his people that messed up.

HUGE Deficit. Well after 9/11 (that killed the worlds economy) and 6 major
hurricanes in less then 6 yrs, 2 wars that at the time most Americans backed him. At the start of the Iraqi war he had over 75% approval rating and every one knows that mostly democrats vote one those polls.


Gas prices. Come on like he has any control over that. Have you been watching the news? There was a hurricane that shut down several of our refineries. Plus gas prices are set just like stocks; its a market thing. Again not Bush's fault

bad disaster response. Yea it was bad. But you also have to put blame not just on Bush (I blame him for hiring the head guy that had no experience), but you also have to put blame on the Louisiana state Governor and the Mayor of New Orleans. These 2 people alone should have known what to do. The National Guard is a STATE owned and run military not Federal. The Governor should have had them called to duty days before Katrina his but he didnt. Yet no one is blaming him. How about the Mayor, This guy is going around bashing everyone ells so no one sees that hell ****** up. He should have put a mandatory evacuation on the city but didnt. They new the levies were inadequate yet didnt take the time to put out proper warnings. Thats way there are already lawsuits started for wrongful deaths. And last but not least. Why not put blame on the people. We lived next to the Colorado River once. We new that if it rained too much the house would be flooded. Yet it hadnt happened in the past 50yrs. Then one-day bam! In the 91 have of Bastrop was under water. Our house was gone in just hours. But before it even started to rain we packed the important things and went to a family members house. So my point is there were a lot of people that could have left but didnt. Some of them died, thats what happens when you make bad choices.
 
Matthew said:
1. yes, of course, most major wars occupying and rebuilding other countries havent taken much less than two years :rolleyes:
not arguing with you there.
Matthew said:
2. who cares, were still looking and the guy has been rendered obsolete. notice everything comes from "second in command" this or that.
True, but HE was the one who attacked us. I want him dead much more than I care about Saddam.

Matthew said:
3. again, who cares. if you were there, or knew s*** about the country before during and after you would know it was a great venture for the iraqis (you know, to save them from the murderous dictator who was dangerous.
not arguing, but HE didnt attack us. he doesnt even seem to have had any plans to attack us....

Matthew said:
4. read up on alexander hamilton, you know, the guy on your ten dollar bills. its better to have a deficiet and spend money internally than to have a surplus. oh, and btw, we were attacked on our soil (remember that? probably not, CNN told you to forget), so its kinda hard to send troops overseas for 4 years for free :rolleyes:
Read your own post. We were attacked. so we sent troops to Afganistan. ok, fine. thats logical, since, like you said "we were attacked on our soil". What does the years we've spent in Iraq have anything to do with us being attacked??

Matthew said:
5. yes, compared to the rest of the world we have huge gas prices :rolleyes: and its all bush's fault to boot that we have gas prices. youre a ******* moron if you actually think its all bush's fault we have bad gas prices...i forgot, he's head of opec in his spare time.....but WAIT.....here is the ultimate irony - you think that the wars were wasteful, for oil etc, but support bush doing WHAT to lower the oil prices? ask nicely? bbaahahahahaa youre so ******* niave. you just prove the point time and again that not only are you a moron, have no idea what youre talking about, but that the war wasnt for oil.
your post is very childish here, but i'm still not gonna argue, we do have lower prices than most of the world, but its the people who drive the SUVs and such that are hurting the prices. supply and demand. supply is low, demand is high (especially in the gas guzzlers) therefore price is high.

Matthew said:
6. odd that FEMA's disaster response has taken about 3 days over the course of history. of course, this is bush's fault too. dammit, he was supposed to carry all those supplies himself, what a loser!
i'm pretty sure i've posted this in here before, but this was not Bush's fault. the director of FEMA may have been at fault for some of the response, and he has resigned.
 
Matthew said:
5. yes, compared to the rest of the world we have huge gas prices :rolleyes: and its all bush's fault to boot that we have gas prices. youre a ******* moron Your posts are so ******* funny.


Not to correct you, but Europe, as had higher gas prices of yrs. remember the truckers stike back in the 90s? They pay like $5 a gallon.
 
Dubya is a political degenerate and a national embarrassment.

His old man thinks it's terrible that his kid gets criticized as he does. Dubya earns it.

I thought George Herbert, with whom I have few issues, had more sense than to be an apologist for his arrogant son who acts as if stupidity is a virtue, and who does well at reading My Pet Goat, but less well at the job of President.

BTW, Dubya isn't any more responsible for the price of gas than he is for activity in the stock market. He is, however, responsible for running up over $300 billion in war debt, which we'll be paying for long after Big Hat, No Cattle is out of office.
 
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Hughes412 said:
every one knows that mostly democrats vote one those polls.

i guess that must be a Fox News fact.....(chair)
 
Hughes412 said:
Not to correct you, but Europe, as had higher gas prices of yrs. remember the truckers stike back in the 90s? They pay like $5 a gallon.
i was being sarcastic we have some of the cheapest gas prices in the world.
 
Can you name one? Or even a governor, senator, etc. that wasn't already wealthy when they decided to run for office. Politics is for the rich and successful with time on their hands, and us working poor get to vote for the best of the worst at any given election. There hasn't been a statesman in office for decades at least.

I'd run for office but I have no circle of likewise rich people to get started with, that spread the word, get other well off people to start funding my campaign, etc. No wealth of my own to begin with and nothing to sell to industries hoping to direct my future policies, so there goes those big donations. Besides, only select groups would vote for me; I wouldn't lie to everyone, telling every group I stand in front of what they want to hear even when what I would spout conflicts with what I told a different group the day before. I wouldn't have masters pulling my strings and making decisions for me. By the time anyone makes it into and past the state office level, they're beholden to outside forces, influenced by the desire for more power and wealth. Senators keep at the job for 20, 30, 40 years because they build up more wealth and power and it's near impossible to displace them.

Or look lower down, at Chicago city hall- you don't think all the high ranking folks there don't do whatever is necessary to keep their positions? That their only concern when they wake up each morning is how they can improve the life of a $8/hr single mother of 4, someone that probably doesn't vote? How they can best help the homeless living on lower Wacker? Oh wait, we improved Wacker so now the homeless have to live somewhere the general populace doesn't notice them quite so much.

Look lower down still, at a local village council meeting. Been to a few have you? It's great fun right after elections, when the fresh meat comes in full of ideas for making their little corner of the world better, and runs smack into those that have been on the board a bit longer. They quickly find out that the lady to their left only cares about getting better street lighting on the block where her cute little shop happens to be located, not resurfacing the 28 year old middle school field where several kids got injured last year on the rough turf. The new guys quickly find out that the only way to win is work on the least damaging (to the community) projects and avoiding any major social changes that might annoy the local power brokers.

The status quo will remain, and the beatings will continue until morale improves.

Hughes412 said:
.... Not all people that have been presidents were rich you now.
 
seanmcsean said:
clinton gets a hummer in the oval office and they're chasing him out with flaming torches.. this guy ***** up the country to an almost unbelievable level, and nobody has spoken a peep about impeaching him.
Because it's not illegal to be a **** up :)
I like some of the things he has done and loathe other things he has done all in all I am disappointed in the way that no one on either side of the aisle has attempted to reach out and make a change. All we have thus far is a stalement government in which both sides are about balanced and neither side is willing to help the other. It's all back biting and in fighting.
This oil thing is about to push me over the edge. It is a known fact now that the major producers have cut back refining capacity to inflate the price. I hate monopolies but it would seem that the majority of out elected officals are all to eager to allow this to go on with no regard for comsumer protection. Did he do this himself? No but he has done NOTHING to alleviate it not even a token attempt at mandating more refineries. No bi-partisan attempt to help the American consumer from him or the left.
Apparently the idea of comsumer protection makes me a "commie" even though I am so far right on many issues I have to look left to see Ronald Reagan.
I think the last 16 yrs have been a sad testament of our Democratic Republic. It's like both Corrupt Clinton and Curious George are trying to out "suck" each other.
 
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Matthew said:
1. yes, of course, most major wars occupying and rebuilding other countries havent taken much less than two years :rolleyes:
Yea, like Vietnam...
2. who cares, were still looking and the guy has been rendered obsolete. notice everything comes from "second in command" this or that.
Obsolete??? Al Qaida took credit for a bombing in Bagdad this morning that killed up to 120 people..I don't call that obsolete.
3. again, who cares. if you were there, or knew s*** about the country before during and after you would know it was a great venture for the iraqis (you know, to save them from the murderous dictator who was dangerous. of course there are no connections, he had, what, 8 years with clinton plus more to ******* do whatever he wanted and hide whatever he wanted because the UN/Europe are a bunch of ******* worthless military powers?)
Huh??? (confused)
4. read up on alexander hamilton, you know, the guy on your ten dollar bills. its better to have a deficiet and spend money internally than to have a surplus.
So my guess is you are up to your eyeballs in debt. Sorry most people want a fiscally responsible government that knows how to balance a budget. And now with all the money going to Katrina and rebuilding N.O. and Iraq..we are broke mofo's.
oh, and btw, we were attacked on our soil (remember that? probably not, CNN told you to forget), so its kinda hard to send troops overseas for 4 years for free :rolleyes:
No objection to our troops in Afganistan..its the Iraq debocal that frosts my balls. BTW: Iraq had NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11.
5. yes, compared to the rest of the world we have huge gas prices :rolleyes: and its all bush's fault to boot that we have gas prices. youre a ******* moron if you actually think its all bush's fault we have bad gas prices...i forgot, he's head of opec in his spare time.....but WAIT.....here is the ultimate irony - you think that the wars were wasteful, for oil etc, but support bush doing WHAT to lower the oil prices? ask nicely? bbaahahahahaa youre so ******* niave. you just prove the point time and again that not only are you a moron, have no idea what youre talking about, but that the war wasnt for oil.
Calling me names really solidifies you level of intelligence and your point. But I will respond. The president has the ability to release reserves, lower gas taxes and force emergency conservation measures to keep the prices resonable.
6. odd that FEMA's disaster response has taken about 3 days over the course of history. of course, this is bush's fault too. dammit, he was supposed to carry all those supplies himself, what a loser!

Your posts are so ******* funny.

Like I said..he ACTULLY took responsibility for this.

Now, try to respond without cussing and namecalling and you might appear to actually have a clue. (first)
 
Matthew, you being in the military should know more about ULTIMATE RESPONSIBILITY than anything. If you are Captain of a ship, and your ship runs aground when you are sleeping, then you are still ultimately responsible. That's part of being in charge. Same with an Army Colonel and one of his subordinate officers screwing something up. Maybe the screw up was not directly the colonel's fault, but he was responsible for the training and everyone under his command, and every action that leads up to that situation is his reponsibility.

Matthew said:
1. yes, of course, most major wars occupying and rebuilding other countries havent taken much less than two years :rolleyes:

I don't blame Bush for the poor planning of the rebuilding or the failure of intelligence (it obviously wasn't directly his fault), but it comes down to ultimate responsibility. Plus, he appointed some of the decision makers.

Matthew said:
2. who cares, were still looking and the guy has been rendered obsolete. notice everything comes from "second in command" this or that.
It really doesn't matter. You are right. It disgusts me that Bush changed his opinion about this though. It also bugs me that the liberals use this as a political point. It's way too political on this one.

Matthew said:
3. again, who cares. if you were there, or knew s*** about the country before during and after you would know it was a great venture for the iraqis (you know, to save them from the murderous dictator who was dangerous. of course there are no connections, he had, what, 8 years with clinton plus more to ******* do whatever he wanted and hide whatever he wanted because the UN/Europe are a bunch of ******* worthless military powers?)
A lot of good could come out of changing Iraq, but there are two parts to making a decision of this magnitude: you have to make the decision then carry it out. Carrying it out is where his administration needs to put more attention.
Matthew said:
4. read up on alexander hamilton, you know, the guy on your ten dollar bills. its better to have a deficiet and spend money internally than to have a surplus. oh, and btw, we were attacked on our soil (remember that? probably not, CNN told you to forget), so its kinda hard to send troops overseas for 4 years for free :rolleyes:
There is a lot more that goes into it than that. You should take an economics class. Deficits are okay to run for the short term(and can actually boost the economy), but big deficits can lead to problems. There is so much more to this and our foreign deficit.
Matthew said:
5. yes, compared to the rest of the world we have huge gas prices :rolleyes: and its all bush's fault to boot that we have gas prices. youre a ******* moron if you actually think its all bush's fault we have bad gas prices...i forgot, he's head of opec in his spare time.....but WAIT.....here is the ultimate irony - you think that the wars were wasteful, for oil etc, but support bush doing WHAT to lower the oil prices? ask nicely? bbaahahahahaa youre so ******* niave. you just prove the point time and again that not only are you a moron, have no idea what youre talking about, but that the war wasnt for oil.
It's obviously not Bush's fault we have high gas prices, but I'm sure he doesn't spend a lot of time trying to get to the actual problem because his business network involves people who are getting rich right now. In short, he won't work as hard to fix the problem as someone who had different interests.
Matthew said:
6. odd that FEMA's disaster response has taken about 3 days over the course of history. of course, this is bush's fault too. dammit, he was supposed to carry all those supplies himself, what a loser!

Bush appointed the director of FEMA, and had a poor public response to the situation. A leader of a country needs to be as public as possible to reassure those affected that everything is going to be okay. Public panic leads to economic and social problems. He could have done so much better on this. I do like the fact that he took responsibility. A good leader does that, and that's something that he has not done in the past.

I watch you guys from an outside perspective, and most of you are either very liberal or very conservative. The liberals try to take everything Bush does and make it sound like the end of the world, and the conservatives try to defend him even if he is obviously wrong. It's kind of funny actually. It's like someone stole your brains and ability to think about every situation critically, and replaced them with a polarized spouting machine.

I am not a fan of Bush as president. I like some of his qualities, but overall he is too conservate and too business minded for me. Plus, I don't like that he is affiliated with the evangelicals. He made a great choice for the Supreme Court in Roberts. Of all the bad stuff that has happened during his presidency, this may go down as his best choice.

I also suggest that everyone do research on McCain for 2008. There is no one in politics that has more bi-partisan friends than him, and he would be just what we need to bring this country together after being so bitterly divided politically. Think about a business, how much gets done if everyone is always fighting? Now, if we all start working together to find what's the best option in every scenario then it's more productive. Same thing with our country. Just a thought to end on. You guys can go back to your liberal-conservative bickering that hasn't changed in four years.
 
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