yea the MAF is a quick fix..just make a relay that doubles it's reception..it also helps having a father who is a automotive electrican..hehe..
P5 top speed
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ok, the MAF box from the stock airbox..You can disassemble that MAF sensor. Moreover, if you make a switch relay for the MAF so that it still detects airflow inside your intake, but the current is doubled in the wiring..IF you have an ECU, or a controller (like the Venon 400-R which is what i have) you can in essence make your ECU think there is twice the air induction from the intake. This will slightly hurt your gas milage, but used with an ECU it works nicely. The venom ecu is by far the nicest I think, you'll have problems tracking one down, they are still kinda in R&D at venom, but you can retrofit ones from Focus's 2.0L's..
your kinda loosing me here. your REMOVING the MAF and replacing it? How do you disassemble the MAF. It is a tube of plastic that is bolted to the factory air box. OK so you unbolt it , then what. go into detail please. this is interesting. but incomplete.SpicyMchaggis said:
please go from there.
ok that factory black tube, now..the MAF sensor is the wire running into that black box which then sits the wire in the middle of the tube. basically what you are doing is making a new MAF. You cut out the MAF so you have just the black tube inside of it. You also cut out the 4 little spokes inside of the tubing, so basically you have just a hollow tube. You then make a contact plate for the MAF wire so that now, the part that actually detects air flow is just a small 3/4" aluminum plate, almost like a battery terminal. What I did was tap the contact plate on the tube and then plastic loctite'd it to the inside of the tube. I sealed the whole on the plastic piece and viola! you have a complete hollow MAF that works just like the stock one. Now, my dad built a wiring harness that basically double the load of the wire, all you need to do is ground the relay somewhere to the motor and it basically splits the impedance..almost like a speaker. (i.e. 4 ohms to 2 ohms.) this in turn tricks the ECU into thinking there is 2x the amount of air which then will add gas to compensate. I'll put up the detailed specs of how exactly to make these. I might even consider building a few more. But, again, this will ONLY work if you have a programable ECU or a ECU controller from a nitrous system (i.e. VENOM or ZEX controllers). You could use this on the stock ECU, but after an hour or so, the ECU will adapt to it and just burn your gas mileage for nothing. I'll make a wiring diagram as soon as i get a chance so you can better understand my incoherent rambling
well since i have a venom nitrous set up in the car..the venom ecu has a fuel management system in it. also the Apex'i AFC helps alot as well...its not just dumping more fuel all the time..its just more efficient, pumping more gas in faster when you hit the gas. hmm..maybe a DFI system would help..3 grand later...haha..
SeminoleMan
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I think there is definately alot of BS being posted in this thread! No one here with a stock ES or P5 is running at or over 120, 130, or beyond. You know who you are, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIE CRAIG!!
The 2002 P5 has a drag limited top speed of 118MPH according to Car & Driver (October 2001, pg 145.) That is with 130HP, no mods. Must have been downhill with a tailwind. This is the highest tested top speed I have seen in any of the major automotive publications that actually test top speed. Generally, published top speeds range from 111-114.
Car & Driver also tested the beloved MSP (September 2002, pg 69) to an electronically governed 130MPH with the 170HP factory installed mods.
Here is a theoretical top speed calculator you can use based on the gear ratios in the transmissions in our cars. This calculator doesn't take into account power and the influence of drag.
5 Speed G15M-R (3rd Gen 2.0's)
1st gear 3.31
2nd gear 1.84
3rd gear 1.31
4th gear .97
5th gear .76
Final Drive 4.11:1
http://www.car-videos.com/tools/spe...o7=&Redline=6500&Increment=500&B1=Recalculate
The MSP (with more goodies like the diff), P5, and other 2.0 liter models share the same transmission. They all have a THEORETICAL top speed of approximately 142MPH, based on the gearing. This assumes that the car can pull to redline in fifth gear. The ES and P5 don't have enough motor to do this! The N/A 2.0L may be able to pull to between 5k -5.5k RPMs in fifth. There are zero exceptions unless you have peformance upgrades. Even with intake, exhaust, lowering springs (BPU - basic performance upgrades) you'd be lucky to get 1-3MPH more in top speed.
The MSP may have a good run at the theoretical top speed number, but even it may miss the mark since drag increases drastically at velocity.
Bottom line is keep it real. Your cool in my book if you have a Protege. Not so much if you talk isht!
The 2002 P5 has a drag limited top speed of 118MPH according to Car & Driver (October 2001, pg 145.) That is with 130HP, no mods. Must have been downhill with a tailwind. This is the highest tested top speed I have seen in any of the major automotive publications that actually test top speed. Generally, published top speeds range from 111-114.
Car & Driver also tested the beloved MSP (September 2002, pg 69) to an electronically governed 130MPH with the 170HP factory installed mods.
Here is a theoretical top speed calculator you can use based on the gear ratios in the transmissions in our cars. This calculator doesn't take into account power and the influence of drag.
5 Speed G15M-R (3rd Gen 2.0's)
1st gear 3.31
2nd gear 1.84
3rd gear 1.31
4th gear .97
5th gear .76
Final Drive 4.11:1
http://www.car-videos.com/tools/spe...o7=&Redline=6500&Increment=500&B1=Recalculate
The MSP (with more goodies like the diff), P5, and other 2.0 liter models share the same transmission. They all have a THEORETICAL top speed of approximately 142MPH, based on the gearing. This assumes that the car can pull to redline in fifth gear. The ES and P5 don't have enough motor to do this! The N/A 2.0L may be able to pull to between 5k -5.5k RPMs in fifth. There are zero exceptions unless you have peformance upgrades. Even with intake, exhaust, lowering springs (BPU - basic performance upgrades) you'd be lucky to get 1-3MPH more in top speed.
The MSP may have a good run at the theoretical top speed number, but even it may miss the mark since drag increases drastically at velocity.
Bottom line is keep it real. Your cool in my book if you have a Protege. Not so much if you talk isht!
ok about the bs....
I dunno quite who u are but how are u gunna call bs and obviously u have never even tried to top ur car out. Don't listen to mag's all he time. I can kill 118mph all day long the hard part in a pro is to get past 130mph. A porteges drag coef. is one of the better coef.'s of most cars out right now. Yeah the car is held back by drag because we just don't have enough balls(hp) to pull to that theoretical 142 mph.
Peace,
Zane
I dunno quite who u are but how are u gunna call bs and obviously u have never even tried to top ur car out. Don't listen to mag's all he time. I can kill 118mph all day long the hard part in a pro is to get past 130mph. A porteges drag coef. is one of the better coef.'s of most cars out right now. Yeah the car is held back by drag because we just don't have enough balls(hp) to pull to that theoretical 142 mph.
Peace,
Zane
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drock27 said:
"Sir, hadn't you better buckle up?"
"Ahh, buckle this!"
"Ludicrious speed, GO!"
Heh, heh, heh, love that movie! Anyway, I've had mine up to 118mph, but it wasn't me driving, I'm too wimpy to go that fast....
seminole it took me forever to get to 120 on the NJ turnpike. So i guess some 130 mph posts might be out there in left field.SeminoleMan said:
im just curious about this MAF this guy is talking about. no offense spicy but i just dont get what you are doing. maybe you just arent clarifying it right.
What i do know is if you would like a real upgraded MAF for your car at 70mm. let me know , because we are just beginning production and tuning ours in this week.
clownphish said:
Wait a second. You have a Vette and you're too "wimpy" to go faster than 118?
SeminoleMan
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Yello-MP3......If you do have an MP3, you have a different ECU and 10 more HP as a result. So as I said, 120 and more in a 2.0L P5 and ES, LX, DX is BS!
So relax. I know what I am talking about. I've owned Proteges for 10 years and am pretty familiar with they can and cannot do.
Even then, 10HP isn't gonna exactly help you KILL 120.
Everyone is quick to jump to the conclusion that magazines "lie" or are somehow slanted in their writings? What would be their gain in doing so?
So relax. I know what I am talking about. I've owned Proteges for 10 years and am pretty familiar with they can and cannot do.
Even then, 10HP isn't gonna exactly help you KILL 120.Everyone is quick to jump to the conclusion that magazines "lie" or are somehow slanted in their writings? What would be their gain in doing so?
SeminoleMan
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You are kidding right? Every Guy has the innate need to "see what'll it do." You stated you didn't know me and at the same time pretend to know what I have and haven't done? Don't be another board know it all. BOW DOWN INFIDEL!!
well I don't know about you guys with P5's but my DX has no problem getting to 130..obviously it takes a few seconds to get there..but it can definetly do it..
SeminoleMan
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The Power and Gearing are identical in the 2.0L DX and the P5. The weight differences between the two would affect acceleration and not top speed. So with similar aerodynamics, power, and gearing (the only factors that really matter), it is not likely that the DX is getting to a buck thirty.
Take a pic next time your doin warp one and I will convert.
Take a pic next time your doin warp one and I will convert.
tritonheat1
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SeminoleMan said:
Hey bro, the 2002 Protege DX motor's have the same 130hp and 135ft-lbs of torque engine as a ES/P5. Actually i see no problem with it reaching 125-130mph Stock. Basically it will take it probably forever to get there w/o Mods, but all the Protege trims DX, LX, ES, P5 and MP3 have the same final drive ratio. If it has the right proper road and stretch and gearing then yes it has no problem reaching that speed. Some of the (features)/(options) and (Specifications) might be different, but it doens't change what it will and can't do on some categories. But yes my MP3 had problem's reaching 120mph when it was brand new with like 8,000miles, Supposely when it got to like 10-12,000 miles i hit 125mph like it was nothing, but anything over 125mph it took quite awhile. As of Present now, i have a Injen CAI on it, and it easily reaches 130mph, and have tooken it the fastest to 135mph on an incline. With some right proper mods and other Etc.... I believe the Topspeed of the MP3 can be reached (230KMH) is (143mph).
mags and their gains....
Mag's have lots to gain by lieing. For instance sport compact car says whatever honda wants them to say. But in this case it has nothing to do with money cuz this is just an under statement by the mag i guess u could call it. I really do think a p5 could get a run of 125-127mph for its very top speed. I wouldn't shoot down anyone who said they hit 125 in a p5 cuz i really do believe it to be possible. But like i was saying before go find a huge stretch of road and go at it see for urself what u can hit and don't let up and come back with sumthing low go all out and if u get sumthing low then the proof is in the pudding for ya.
So just see for urself.
Peace,
Zane and be safe!!
Mag's have lots to gain by lieing. For instance sport compact car says whatever honda wants them to say. But in this case it has nothing to do with money cuz this is just an under statement by the mag i guess u could call it. I really do think a p5 could get a run of 125-127mph for its very top speed. I wouldn't shoot down anyone who said they hit 125 in a p5 cuz i really do believe it to be possible. But like i was saying before go find a huge stretch of road and go at it see for urself what u can hit and don't let up and come back with sumthing low go all out and if u get sumthing low then the proof is in the pudding for ya.
So just see for urself.
Peace,
Zane and be safe!!
tritonheat1
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Actually there is a couple few P5 member's on the board who have tooken a few pictures of there P5 hitting 120-125mph. It's probably in the Photo/video section thread posted along time ago.
