Opinions - Cold start turbo engines

I belive the bottom line is this.

Is not warming up your car going to make you blow you motor. Probably not.

What it will do is cause un wanted wear and tear on things. this can lead to parts failing faster. So you will probably not read about some guys car exploding from him not warming it up, but it can lead to problems.

But if you are in a hurry or its an emergency then starting it and taking off right away isnt going to cause irepairable damage. But I would minimise how often you do it.
 
^ agreed...if you plan to keep this car for years into the future (like me), you would be selling yourself short if you didn't take certain precautions to keep the engine/transmission in top condition. warming up/cooling down the engine/turbo is the least you can do for it! =d
 
^ agreed...if you plan to keep this car for years into the future (like me), you would be selling yourself short if you didn't take certain precautions to keep the engine/transmission in top condition. warming up/cooling down the engine/turbo is the least you can do for it! =d

Do you think I can keep it long enough to hand it over to my niece? She's 20 months old. ^_^;;
 
Warming your car up by letting it idle is one of the worst things you can do to your car, the environment and your pocket book.

Here is a little reading on the subject;

"I've had a lot of fun teaching the Junior Members of my Family how to drive the Family Chariot. But along the way, I realised that something I had done for a long time was actually wrong. Previously, I tried to be "kind" to my car's engine by giving it a nice long idle before I pulled away from the kerb. But when I went looking, I found that long idle was actually harming the engine, and the environment, and my wallet.

The powertrain of a car is the mechanical stuff that makes it go. The power starts at the engine, goes through the gearbox and finishes at the driving wheels. Les Ryder, the chief powertrain engineer from Ford, USA, said in the January 2007 issue of Popular Mechanics, "Engines run best at their design temperature". In other words, Mr. Ryder is telling us that engines run most cleanly and efficiently somewhere between 85C and 95C. Idling is not the best or quickest way to warm up your engine. Gentle driving is.

The Canadian Office of Energy Efficiency agrees that the best way to warm up your engine is to drive it. Even if the outside temperature is -20C, they recommend that you idle the engine for only 15-30 seconds before you pull out onto the road. You need even less idling time at the temperatures we usually experience in Australia.

Idling an engine is bad in so many ways. The fuel is not completely burnt, so it condenses in drops on the cylinder walls. This leads to both extra wear of the cylinder walls (because the fuel washes the lubricating oil off the walls), and unburnt fuel flowing down the walls and contaminating the oil in the sump. Idling also drops the temperature of the spark plugs, leading to dirty plugs, which can worsen your fuel consumption by some 5%.

You might have noticed a vapour coming out of the exhaust of some cars in the early morning. That vapour is not the oil vapour of a worn engine, but the normal water vapour from a cold engine. So the longer you idle the engine, the longer it will take to warm up, and so more water droplets will be deposited inside your exhaust system – making it rust sooner.

A long time of idling means that the engine will produce a lot more unwanted pollutants. For example, modern cars have catalytic converters. When they get to their normal operating temperature (400-800C, which is a lot hotter than the engine), they convert nasty pollutants into much less nasty chemicals. And you guessed it, the quickest way for catalytic converters to get to their normal operating temperature is by driving, not idling. The longer the time that you idle your engine, the longer that your catalytic converter is too cold to do its job.

Canada has started a national campaign to reduce unnecessary idling of engines. There are similar regional campaigns in Japan and the UK, and in the USA, 13 states have now passed laws regulating idling of engines. The ski resort town of Aspen, in Colorado, has passed laws making it illegal for car engines to idle for more than 5 minutes.

People are now talking about the benefits of switching off your engine in traffic, if you are going to be stopped for more than 10 seconds. But this is exactly opposite to the Remote Start function, available in some US cars, which lets you start the engine from some 60 metres away. The advantage is that you walk out of your house into a nice warm car. The disadvantage is that in 10 minutes of idling, you burn about half-a-litre of fuel.

The Canadian Office of Energy Efficiency crunched the numbers for the hypothetical situation of each Canadian driver idling their engine for 5 minutes fewer each day. Over a year, that reduced idling would save Canadian drivers C$646 million, and stop 1.6 million tonnes of greenhouse gases from escaping into the atmosphere.

When you idle a car, you get zero miles per gallon, lots of pollution, and a hole in your wallet.

Karl S. Kruszelnicki Pty Ltd 2007."

Now don't get me wrong, idleing to let your turbo cool off from a hard run is ok as it will protect our turbo from damage. However, the best thing to do is to not dog the s*** out of your car for 5m before you intend to stop and turn it off. I mean the only time you should ever run the crap out of your car before you turn it off should be at the track/strip. Other than that, you can simply drive casually to your intended spot, park and turn off your car without fear of damage to the Turbo.
 
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Most topics online about idling the engine are posted by ecologists. They all say one should not idle for more than 30 seconds.

I like the way the engine drives when it is warm. After 10 minutes of warming up, everything feels right. However, I am tempted to drive hard right away, which is probably hurting the trasmission.
 
bravnik hit the nail on the head with that one. i was reading this thread and was going to comment on the warming up deal but theres no need to. just warm your car up with soft driving until its up to temp. best way to do it for all the reasons stated above. nice work bravnik.
 
I think it varies from car to car to a point. It takes way more then 30 seconds to heat up your oil. Oil is the life blood of a Turbo. When oil is cold it is not at its intended viscosity. Even driving the car gingerly your gonna get a turbo moving pretty good. So I still belive that there are some vehicles that need to warm up to operating temp before moving.
 
bravnik hit the nail on the head with that one. i was reading this thread and was going to comment on the warming up deal but theres no need to. just warm your car up with soft driving until its up to temp. best way to do it for all the reasons stated above. nice work bravnik.

He quoted somebody else that said what I had basically posted already, nice work?
 
Well if I said it myself, then nobody would really care. So I found a post that people may actually listen too. There is plenty of scientific data out there to support the fact that you should NEVER idle your car excessivly as it does damage to your engine. I could give a rats ass about the environmental damage as I'm sure its tiny compaired to what one Abrams Tank does.

Easy driving is way better for all cars. You can think your not hurting your car all you wish but I suggest you look it up before you do it.

But then again, I can tell people all day the damage they are doing to themselves by smoking but a smoker could care less. I would bet a person who thinks its ok to idle their car for 20m feels the same.
 
He quoted somebody else that said what I had basically posted already, nice work?

nice work. like something you say to somebody when they do a good job at something. he put all the information together and that made his argument compelling. it wasnt just, "dont drive your car hard when its cold", or just "dont let it idle until normal operating temp." he had reasons for his opinion and he showed it with more than "trust me".

if you feel neglected....gold star.
 
mazda actually recommends that you avoid long warm ups and just drive after the engine idles down a little bit from the roughly 2K Start rpm
 
nice work. like something you say to somebody when they do a good job at something. he put all the information together and that made his argument compelling. it wasnt just, "dont drive your car hard when its cold", or just "dont let it idle until normal operating temp." he had reasons for his opinion and he showed it with more than "trust me".

if you feel neglected....gold star.


He quoted somebody else, guess you can't read everything.
 
this is what i do when its cold

In the winter time the car will start and idle above 2500 rpm for about half a minute. mazda knows what they are doing when they designed how the motor operates in extreme cold temps but it makes me uncomfortable to have it idle at where i would be shifting when the motor is this cold.
what i do is put the car in first and without touching the accelerator, i roll the car forward ( another close parking spot at the store or work, out of the driveway and to the side of the street at home) as soon as i start it. the motors rpm is high enough to move the car at slow speeds without touching the gas while feathering the clutch. when the car is in gear the rpms are lower and when it rests after 10 seconds of rolling, the car is at about 1700 rpm which i let run for half a minute before driving gently.

with this method, there is: less high rpm idling, tranny being slightly operated,all fluids in motion, engine/trans is at minimal load when rolling.
 
well, they say it takes 30 seconds to warm up, then u can drive it. I think this only applies to manual cars. bcuz from what i know , it is only legal to install a remote starter to automatic cars..threfore automatic cars need couple minutes to start bcuz manufacturers only offer them the remote start legally :-) loL . of coarse, this is what a ricer would think hehe.
 
well, they say it takes 30 seconds to warm up, then u can drive it. I think this only applies to manual cars. bcuz from what i know , it is only legal to install a remote starter to automatic cars..threfore automatic cars need couple minutes to start bcuz manufacturers only offer them the remote start legally :-) loL . of coarse, this is what a ricer would think hehe.

They put remote starts in manuals all the time. You need a clutch bypass wire for it and you need to make sure your car is in neutral at all times obviously. There's a way to wire the bypass so the car won't start if it's not in neutral or the handbrake isn't up. Even if you don't use the handbrake will only make the car move a foot or so. Any idiot that doesn't use the handbrake doesn't deserve to drive a manual.
 
They put remote starts in manuals all the time. You need a clutch bypass wire for it and you need to make sure your car is in neutral at all times obviously. There's a way to wire the bypass so the car won't start if it's not in neutral or the handbrake isn't up. Even if you don't use the handbrake will only make the car move a foot or so. Any idiot that doesn't use the handbrake doesn't deserve to drive a manual.

Not using the hand brake on a auto isnt much higher on the IQ level

As for warming up the engine... 5 to 10 minute warmups? come on.... my car gets warm within the first mile of easy driving... all within 2 minutes of leaving house.... granted its only 55 degrees outside at worse but some of you take the idle warmup to the extreme... hell 5 to 10 minutes of idle in the garage and I would worry about CO poisoning....
 
that said what I had basically posted already
thought you were looking for credit....my bad.

i mean i live in MA and already we've hit a few below freezing nights and it idles at around 2000-2500 rpms after initial start. i give it about 15-30 secs. then drive it easy. like mocoso stated, it only takes a few miles of driving easy to get it near op temp. at 55 degrees. its not really much different any other time. unless you live in alaska in the dead of winter i suppose.
 
They put remote starts in manuals all the time. You need a clutch bypass wire for it and you need to make sure your car is in neutral at all times obviously. There's a way to wire the bypass so the car won't start if it's not in neutral or the handbrake isn't up. Even if you don't use the handbrake will only make the car move a foot or so. Any idiot that doesn't use the handbrake doesn't deserve to drive a manual.

The Mazda owner's manual suggests not using the handbrake in cold weather because it might freeze up.

Who needs remote start anyway? (scratch)
 
Get in, turn key, scrape windows if needed and drive. I have no warm up routine. My wife will let her car run sometimes because she gets cold if the temps fall below 75F. I LOVE watching her run around like she's on the verge of filling her pants because it's 11F outside.
 

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