OK...Who else thinks religion is total Bullsh!t?
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tonkabui said:
Except most (maybe all) of the major religions were started by people who claim just this.
I couldn't get through reading all the new replies without answering to this....Now back to the thread, this is pretty entertaining.
that's exactly what i'm saying. man believes in a religion for his own gain. religion is there for a self-serving gain, be it salvation, rebirth, whatever. and in his quest for self servitude, he has used religion as the basis for some horrible things. that just further proves the power of religion, not its ridiculousness. yet when we take man away from religion and look at religion itself, most religious doctrines preach peace, and harmony, and love, and pretty flowers. it's man who ***** s*** up and claims his religion told him to do so.
kc5zom said:
I think that religion is a needed backbone that helps to produce a productive, self aware, intelligent full individual. It gives one feeling of self and meaning of self.
Those who lack religion ultimatly will lack the basic building blocks that are vital to a full life and the meanings that are found within that life.
Those who lack religion ultimatly will lack the basic building blocks that are vital to a full life and the meanings that are found within that life.
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if by major religions, you mean those of jews, christians, and muslims, then might i remind you that no one has seen the big man himself. moses saw god as a burning bush, a thunderous voice coming from the clouds, and a raging fire that etched words into stone. jesus saw god as his father, although no visual reference was ever made. mohammed saw gabriel, not god, who told him that there was but one true god, etc.
pingdum said:Except most (maybe all) of the major religions were started by people who claim just this.
I couldn't get through reading all the new replies without answering to this....Now back to the thread, this is pretty entertaining.
OK...I'm finished reading now.
I chose the title of this thread because I think religion is bullsh!t. All religions. Well, maybe not all. Some Druids dancing naked under a full moon somewhere probably aren't causing anybody too much harm. But most of the biggies are really ******* things up in my opinion. Yea they helped things along the way sure enough but they also held back a lot. Galileo died in prison for being a heretic. I'm seriously not trying to offend anyone or start a flame war, but if you can't hang then go back to the "My intake is better then your intake" thread. This thread has been one of the most intelligent things I've read (except for the great technical advice always available on Proteg5. com 24 hours a day, donate today (I bought a clock)) on this forum for a long time, from both sides of the issue.
I chose the title of this thread because I think religion is bullsh!t. All religions. Well, maybe not all. Some Druids dancing naked under a full moon somewhere probably aren't causing anybody too much harm. But most of the biggies are really ******* things up in my opinion. Yea they helped things along the way sure enough but they also held back a lot. Galileo died in prison for being a heretic. I'm seriously not trying to offend anyone or start a flame war, but if you can't hang then go back to the "My intake is better then your intake" thread. This thread has been one of the most intelligent things I've read (except for the great technical advice always available on Proteg5. com 24 hours a day, donate today (I bought a clock)) on this forum for a long time, from both sides of the issue.
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yeah well i dance naked under a full moon and im not a druid
i don't think this is true at all. it does not take a person religion in order for them to be morally correct in their socially defined life. i think religion serves people in as much as they serve their religion. take the people away and the religion will die. but people won't die if you take the religion away (look at conversion, or even communism). if you take a child and raise him without religion, or even the notion of religion, that child will grow up healthy and intelligent. if, for example, you think that saying "grandma's with god now" is a sufficient answer to an inquiring mind, you are mistaken. because then comes the snowball effect of questions... who's god... what's god look like... who made god, etc. what happens when the question comes up of who made god? or where did god come from? even those answers are not known, and the ones that are given are insufficient to an inquiring mind to say the least.
nmaino said:
nmaino said:
Yea, If you make up a story that answers all of life's unanswerables (I just made up a word) then of course it's easy to get on. But believing something so serious just because it's convenient seems very bizarre to me.
now we're getting somewhere!
that is EXACTLY the point of religion. it gives us a sense of something (closure, hope, devotion). if humans didn't have inquiring minds that sought answers to tough questions, we mind as well be little cows out in the meadow... or trees under which naked druids sing and dance. it is the nature of the human being to inquire, and in this inquiry, we need answers... and whatever science doesn't, religion does. why do you think darwin went on his little adventure (besides the money and the adventure part)?
that is EXACTLY the point of religion. it gives us a sense of something (closure, hope, devotion). if humans didn't have inquiring minds that sought answers to tough questions, we mind as well be little cows out in the meadow... or trees under which naked druids sing and dance. it is the nature of the human being to inquire, and in this inquiry, we need answers... and whatever science doesn't, religion does. why do you think darwin went on his little adventure (besides the money and the adventure part)?
pingdum said:
ok, this is getting pointless (if it ever had a point, i sure as hell missed it), so i'm gonna end by saying this:
you calling people's religionS bulls*** means you think what they think is bulls***. come on down off your toadstool and respect everyone's difference in beliefs. a simple "i don't believe in religion" suffices. but to go on and call their belief system bulls*** means your way of thinking is free of bulls***, so that makes you somehow better than them. that's the connotation that goes along with calling something as pervasive as religion bulls***. somehow you have gotten the idea in your head that you are right and those other people who believe in a religion are devulging s***, but like we established earlier, your belief in nonreligion is just that, another belief system. so just go on believing what you believe, don't belittle anyone, and we're all good.
you calling people's religionS bulls*** means you think what they think is bulls***. come on down off your toadstool and respect everyone's difference in beliefs. a simple "i don't believe in religion" suffices. but to go on and call their belief system bulls*** means your way of thinking is free of bulls***, so that makes you somehow better than them. that's the connotation that goes along with calling something as pervasive as religion bulls***. somehow you have gotten the idea in your head that you are right and those other people who believe in a religion are devulging s***, but like we established earlier, your belief in nonreligion is just that, another belief system. so just go on believing what you believe, don't belittle anyone, and we're all good.
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Wow, tonkabui, I'm kind of happy you posted here. First off, as I said in the "Christianity" thread that I am not sure what I want anymore. I was born and raised catholic, but I'm not sure I like people lecturing me every Sunday that this and that will happen if I do this and that. So now I'm just not sure. But either way, its nice to see you accepting both sides and playing the role of devil's advocate for both sides.
pingdum. I have many friends who think religion is bulls***, and they always state the number one reason they hate religion is because people of various religions telling them they are horrible that they don't believe. Basically forcing theire beliefs on people. Simply going out and telling people religion is bulls*** is just the same as the psychotic people who believe telling people they'll go to hell for not believing. Your arguments seem hypocritical to me, even though I fully support the existence of this thread (except for maybe the subject line). You just need to learn tolerance. There are quite a few religious people who do not try to enforce their beliefs on others, and this is the way it should be.
Blah. I'm drunk. Too hard to get my thoughts out
Chris
pingdum. I have many friends who think religion is bulls***, and they always state the number one reason they hate religion is because people of various religions telling them they are horrible that they don't believe. Basically forcing theire beliefs on people. Simply going out and telling people religion is bulls*** is just the same as the psychotic people who believe telling people they'll go to hell for not believing. Your arguments seem hypocritical to me, even though I fully support the existence of this thread (except for maybe the subject line). You just need to learn tolerance. There are quite a few religious people who do not try to enforce their beliefs on others, and this is the way it should be.
Blah. I'm drunk. Too hard to get my thoughts out
Chris
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DooMer_MP3
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nmaino said:
I think this is horribly inaccurate. I know many people who have raised their children from the beginning without any religion or belief in a god. Their children are respectful, productive, intelligent, and self aware.
Chris
The afore mentioned topic is one that is difficult to touch upon for a plethora of reasons. There have been many valid points made by many people in this thread and many that have a basis of ignorance in them. I am all for the saying "to each is own". The problem with religion is that this phrase was never taught in ANY of them. The idealogy of majority of these religions is to CONVERT and PREACH. This is true of catholicism as every sunday the priest ends the sermon with "go in peace and spead God's good word". This is true with Jehovahs witnesses ringing doorbells and disturbing people at their home. This is true with muslims who believe anyone not sharing in their belief system to be "hethans". The idea of agnosticism is the easiest escape from all these religions because it basically conveys your not knowing what is going on in the "heavens" or with these alleged Gods. The truth is no one knows. So truthfully everyone in their most basic for is agnostic because being agnostic generally states that there is a supreme being however we just dont comprehend him/her/it. Truthfully there are so many holes in the reasoning of the bible. ADAM AND EVE... the belief that mankind began with a talking snake in a tree is absolutely rediculous. Some people would say that these are just stories and are not meant to be taken literally. To these people i say how do we know what to take literal and what to take figuratively? christna, God is in cows? so we dont eat beef? hmmmm strange. Please believe me i am not talking s*** but just speaking on some things. I have studied catholicism for 14 years including other assorted religions having gone to catholic school since the age of 4. Just my ideas dont kill me.
I think it's pretty cool that the forum population has such diverse opinions on this subject. It's just too bad that it also stirs tempers. I'm not claiming I'm correct, just offering my own beliefs for examination.
I personally align myself with this group more than the organized religion camp. I believe in God but I don't care much for religion. I think that religions are manmade attempts to put God into terms humans can relate to. I believe our current understanding of the universe points to the possibility of a creator. The scope of the universe leads me to believe that all this wasn't created for our benefit alone. So, I think that there is an omnipotent, omnipowerful being who brought everything into being for reasons known only to he/she/it. I don't think that creator needs our devotion or even seeks it, maybe the creation itself was the desired result.
I personally align myself with this group more than the organized religion camp. I believe in God but I don't care much for religion. I think that religions are manmade attempts to put God into terms humans can relate to. I believe our current understanding of the universe points to the possibility of a creator. The scope of the universe leads me to believe that all this wasn't created for our benefit alone. So, I think that there is an omnipotent, omnipowerful being who brought everything into being for reasons known only to he/she/it. I don't think that creator needs our devotion or even seeks it, maybe the creation itself was the desired result.
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