OK...Who else thinks religion is total Bullsh!t?

[Pants McGregor]

sweet! a rebuttal


now on to something for you to think about. communism... yep. that was a godless, humanistic, equal social theory. however, like all other theories in socialism, it did not work in practice. look at china's 'inquisition' in tibet. do you think that has religious significance? sure it does. millenia old tibetan buddhist doctrine and temples have been destroyed in the name of a godless, egalitarian state. now i ask you, what is the significance of religion? but your argument that religion has caused great harm, i.e. the crusades and the inquisition can also be refuted with the fact that a seemingly godless entity who is living for the here and now has caused the mass exodus of a whole country.

What's next? My dad can beat up your dad ? Anyone can find a historical reference to refute someone elses claim, but the truth is that modern religion, much like communism, only works in theory. Religion gained the level of saturation that it did because it was a good method of keeping the masses in line by promising them something that no one had to deliver on. Leave all the thinking to us and you will have a better life later on, just make sure you live by our rules.

I have some measure of respect for people who choose a religion on their own (I still don't understand them), but I don't understand the need to force beliefs on others. Yes, I am referring to people who go door to door.

Enough of my rant. Not an attack on anyone, just my unorganized thoughts on the subject (?).

 

[tonkabui]

there's a difference between not practicing organized religion and discounting religion as bulls***. the fact of the matter is, as you say, is that religion did help shape the world and will continue to do so. that in and of itself makes it the single most important factor in human existence.

dude quit bein so cocky..your defending your big argument "where would we be without religion?" like mad, when it has absoultely nothing to do withthe topic...Just because many world events are based on religion, DOES NOT MEAN ITS REAL. This topic was started about people who do not believe in religious practicing, basically everyone who thinks its bulls***..just becuase religion helped shape the modern world does not mean that what these people believed was true..

and like i said, christiany(catholicism in particular) is just the easierst to pick on since it is the belief of the majority of the masses around us

 

[tonkabui]

no, what's next is some more evidence of why religion is NOT bulls***.

modern religion, unlike communism, is not a theory because it is practiced, as it always has been in some form. unlike communism, whose political infrastructure holds people in a vice-like grip, religion, especially in america, is a freely practiced ideology. you can come and go as you please between religions. now on to these "rules" you speak of that exists in all religions... what are their basic tenants? to live life with respect, to lead a moral life (whatever that means according to the society in which that religion exists), etc. etc. to better oneself not only on a physical level, but also a spiritual level? are these things the very aspects of religion you are speaking of which makes it bulls***?

edit: just to clarify, only the first sentence before the break was to you... the rest is just continued blabber.

What's next? My dad can beat up your dad ? Anyone can find a historical reference to refute someone elses claim, but the truth is that modern religion, much like communism, only works in theory. Religion gained the level of saturation that it did because it was a good method of keeping the masses in line by promising them something that no one had to deliver on. Leave all the thinking to us and you will have a better life later on, just make sure you live by our rules.

I have some measure of respect for people who choose a religion on their own (I still don't understand them), but I don't understand the need to force beliefs on others. Yes, I am referring to people who go door to door.

Enough of my rant. Not an attack on anyone, just my unorganized thoughts on the subject (?).

 

[Captain KRM P5]

hey, someone came along and turned our forum into Protegeclub!!! Suddenly the place is rife with conflict starting assholes! WAY TO GO!

mods, delete this piece of s*** thread

 

[tonkabui]

hope that wasn't directed at me. i just wanted to make sure no one was offended by the original post.

hey, someone came along and turned our forum into Protegeclub!!! Suddenly the place is rife with conflict starting assholes! WAY TO GO!

mods, delete this piece of s*** thread

 

[uclap5]

PENIS.

who gives a s*** either way.

 

[YellowMP5]

kudos pingdum for not being afraid to start this, you got balls (or are you a female?)
hang on there KzA, you got some good points (thumb)

 

[Ryan]

I think this thread was a bad idea. Nice going.

okay dont take this the wrong way, i fully believe in a superior being, but how is it okay for someone to make a thread about christianity, and who else on the forum is one, but its not okay for someone to make a thread about not believing?

don't you think thats being a hypocrite, which in my experience most christians are.... hell i even admit i can be a hypocrite at times.

 

[Ryan]

your lack of respect for roughly 1/3 of the world's population shows a great disrespect towards humanity and sensitivity towards people who hold a specific belief system. belittling a religious ideology is in no way condoneable in my book. you're just insecure of your beliefs, hence your petty attack on christianity.

so 1/3 of the world use computers does that mean i have to respect them? no... so why should i have to respect someone's religious beliefs, when its clearly hear that you guys dont respect his decision to not believe.

I fully believe in a supreme being, i just dont condone you guys saying he is being disrespectful then u turn around and are saying he's full of s*** for not believing thats a hypocrite right there, which further proves my point that most christians are hypocrites

 

[tonkabui]

like the christian thread, my whole thing is believe how you want and who you want. no one is right and no one is wrong since no one has all the answers and no one has seen any transcendent being who told him the story of the world from beginning to end.

my point is, post all you want. just be mindful of what you say, especially when it deals with something like religion. i don't really care that this thread is here, i just don't think it's appropriate to single out any particular one and mask that fact by throwing a bunch of random gods in the mix.

again, i am not attempting to censor this thread, but merely keeping in mind that at the core of it, we are all humans and people, and we are all intelligent enough to make our own decisions. how you choose to live your life and who you choose to believe in should not come under attack by anyone. and i've reiterated that fact with the christian thread as well.

 

[Roywhitep5]

i just dont like oversensitive puerto ricans. not all puerto ricans, just the oversensitive ones

oh btw this has to do with a different thread

 

[Ryan]

i just dont like oversensitive puerto ricans. not all puerto ricans, just the oversensitive ones

oh btw this has to do with a different thread

ur da man.

 

[tonkabui]

again, let me make myself clear. i dont' care what you believe. if you believe your dog is the next messiah and that the apocalypse is happening at midnight tonight, then more power to you. what i don't believe in is the belittling of people by calling what they believe bulls***. nor do i believe that religion itself is bulls***. look at the subject line for the opening thread. it says "who thinks RELIGION IS bulls***." it's obviously not bulls*** if it has the power to change the world. and that's all i'm saying.

so 1/3 of the world use computers does that mean i have to respect them? no... so why should i have to respect someone's religious beliefs, when its clearly hear that you guys dont respect his decision to not believe.

I fully believe in a supreme being, i just dont condone you guys saying he is being disrespectful then u turn around and are saying he's full of s*** for not believing thats a hypocrite right there, which further proves my point that most christians are hypocrites

 

[Ryan]

again, let me make myself clear. i dont' care what you believe. if you believe your dog is the next messiah and that the apocalypse is happening at midnight tonight, then more power to you. what i don't believe in is the belittling of people by calling what they believe bulls***. nor do i believe that religion itself is bulls***. look at the subject line for the opening thread. it says "who thinks RELIGION IS bulls***." it's obviously not bulls*** if it has the power to change the world. and that's all i'm saying.

i think we all got the picture from ur first post, no need to continue to reply with the same hoopla

 

[tonkabui]

then stop saying that i'm saying he's full of bulls*** for not believing. i never said that. and never would i say that.

i think we all got the picture from ur first post, no need to continue to reply with the same hoopla

 

[Roywhitep5]

god damn it tonkabui, quit startin s***!!!! we already know you hate eskamos!!

 

[tonkabui]

i'm not starting anything. i'm just defending myself defending people. i'm the champion of the people!!!!!! hahahahaha... sweet. hope this thread dies now.

 

[Roywhitep5]

stop it!!

oh and i'll never let this thread die

 

[kc5zom]

it's obviously not bulls*** if it has the power to change the world. and that's all i'm saying.

If by change the world you mean, be an excuse for authoritarian regimes to maintain power ("the mandate of Heaven") then yes religions have "changed" the world. But what you might neglect to know is that most spread of religion in the past has been accomplished through warfare or trade. The spread of religions in Asia shows the whole story. Influential people switched because:

A. They didn't want their asses kicked.
B. They wanted favoritism in trade with other nations.

Once the influential people switch it becomes a push to the masses, whether the person pushing believes in it or not. And I think David Koresh and Heaven's Gate have pretty much proven that there are enough stupid people in the world to believe in just about anything.

And for the creationists.... maybe you should realize that every bit of evidence we have says religion evolved (basic animism to more complicated types), just like you did.

 

[Groza187]

bulls***