Next Rx-7!!!!

['87 Turbo II]

If you continue reading the interview with the designer he tells R&T that it is NOT the next rx7. Sure it can house the renesis, but even the designer knows this isn't it at all.

he said "I could see it as th enxt Rx-7, but that's not what I intended when I designed it, if that were the case then I would have made it a more pure sports car." I really would want a new Rx-7 but more like the 2002 models ones from Japan just with some more updates and maybe the signature mazda grille.

 

[mp3moose]

I agree, I think its kind of ugly and lacks the sexy curves of the previous 7. I read that whole article fearing it WOULD be the next, but was very relived to hear the designer think his creation wasn't rx7 enough.

 

[daonly1around]

it would make me and rotary enthuasist mad if mazda made another "rx-7" because how the rx7 got its name was rotary experiment number 7. and when the rx8 came out it was the 8th experiment. the only proper name for something with a new rotary would be rx9. there will be plenty of upset rotary guys if this were to happen, but most people who would buy the car dont know this, so i doubt mazda would care, i just hope they dont label a diffrent rotary car as the rx7...

 

[txmzdspd2gen]

I think ive seen a pic of that before and they said that mazda is interested on bringing back the MX3 again and seems like a next mx3 cos of the size, engine and seating of that car...just my 2cents.

 

[jflo]

READ THE FARKIN' ARTiCLE and all your questions will be answered. but make sure you have a good understanding too.

 

[spacemonkey]

Every one here is talking about the "new RX7" isnt that what the RX8 is supposed to be? So technically wouldnt it be the new RX8.

I dont like it. but maybe that because I love the FD3S so much. the 8 and this new concept just dont have the same sexy curves that 94+ RX7 has.

no RX7 is a RX7....a pure sports car. RX8 is a RX8. 2 seperate cars.

Thats like saying the RX3 is the same as the RX7....although the RX7 came later and didnt exist at the same time as a RX3. But like the RX8 a RX3 is a different car.

So to answer your question is RX8 and RX7 are different and the RX8 is not the next generation of the RX7. its not called a "4th gen" RX7. And the RX8 has a better suspention then the RX7...and so far it won more races and praises in its debute then the RX7 did when it 1st came out in the 70s.

it basically explains this in the post I typed up from the project manager.

 

[Old Rotor]

So this is a resent "project manager" info or old?

 

[spacemonkey]

So this is a resent "project manager" info or old?

pretty new because he still works for Mazda and I beleive worked on the MX-5. And mazda will most likely tag him to work on the RX7 since the RX8 was pretty sucessful.

I mean I assume it was new because its BMI's newest episode

"rotary rocket" is number volume 27 out of 28. and was released in October 30, 2005

so it cant be more then a year old since they covered the winter season of JGTC. So pretty recent.

 

[spacemonkey]

more stuff from Mr Katabuchi

Noboru Katabuchi, RX-8 program manager, insists that the RX-8 is "not the replacement for RX-7," the fabled sports car Mazda mothballed in the 1990s.

But a new RX-7 program almost certainly exists at Mazda. The company will say only that it is waiting for consumer reaction to the RX-8 before giving the green light to a new RX-7.

If Mazda makes it, the RX-7 would be more expensive and more powerful, but built on the same architecture as the RX-8, which Mazda calls its "next-generation sports car platform."

More future products based on the RX-8 could include coupe and convertible models, and a hot-rod Mazda Speed version.

lol...see where the specualtion comes in..RX8 based product could inclue a coupe or convertible model.

Yeah it was eventually called the MX5...which I think shares alot of the same concepts and suspention design as the RX8.

 

['87 Turbo II]

man, the 4th GEN rx7 would be heavenly. Then someday a 4 rotor qusiturbine Rx9+ will amaze us all with performance and a 14k redline. I can't immagine the power, or moreso the power to size ratio. then Mazda's fave, power to weight, and balance. A midship car with that engine would perform like an exotic supercar. Dreams........ a 4 rotor N/A triturbine (3sided rotor) makes approx. 590 hp, imagine that 4 rotor quasiturbine with a twin turbo setup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[spacemonkey]

[QUOTE='87 Turbo II]man, the 4th GEN rx7 would be heavenly. Then someday a 4 rotor qusiturbine Rx9+ will amaze us all with performance and a 14k redline. I can't immagine the power, or moreso the power to size ratio. then Mazda's fave, power to weight, and balance. A midship car with that engine would perform like an exotic supercar. Dreams........ a 4 rotor N/A triturbine (3sided rotor) makes approx. 590 hp, imagine that 4 rotor quasiturbine with a twin turbo setup!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

intresting you say that because I was at the rotary revolution meet and my friend won a Mazda RX8 book which details the birth of the rotary engine under mazda to today's RX8. And one of the early concepts were a Mid-engine Rotary...gave teh car exceptional balance.

Some pretty neat stuff. very intresting on how Mazda kept going while everyone stoped. How they took a miata cut it up and reinvented the rotary engine (renisis) in their spare time. Gave the top 7 executives at Mazda a ride...and thats how the RX8 was born. or rebirth of rotary engines. I think the main problem with rotary is maintence because it require alot more checking and maintaing. Oil is absolutely vita. And its already a pain in the ass to get peopel to change their oil every 3000 miles and to atleast pop the hood open once a month to check oil levels? Nope...this is america...land of convience where people drive automatics....its too much work. Like ideally you shoudl run 2 stroke oil in the combustion chamber....but its already hard enough keeping track of oil levels...2 different types is just asking for trouble.

Quadrotor would be amazing! hard to imagine that engien won the lemans and had a 9000 RPM redline (amazing for 1991). Sounded like a F1 car. The more rotors the closer the pulses are and it sounds beautiful IMO. But realistically the E-shaft would be $$$ and the studs holding the housing together. Not to mention it will probally go through a quart of oil like every nano second... j/k

but theres alot of potential with hydrogen rotary. Because the world still runs on gasoline so its nice to have a engine that can take both gas and hydrogen without any mjor modification and cheap and easy to produce. But hydrogen combustion is super poor in efficency. Hydrogen fuel cells is the future. Hydrogen/gasoline rotary hybrid is in the near future.

I mean whats more attrative to a consumer...clean hydrogen that is cheap but you have to find a gas station taht sells it. Or a Gasoline RX8 that can also run hydrogen? I can tell you its one of the sexiest cars out there that can run hydrogen.

BUT a 3 rotor is not out of the question...theres a reason why tehres a 20B renisis competing in the ALMS could mazda be looking to back into lemans races whatever is being tested on the track will most likely end up on cars. So who knows...we can specualte but if 4th gen RX7 comes out its gonna be expensive....but mind blowing and badass . Just like the FD did in the early 90s. Just look at the specs and comapre it to other cars at the time...and you say "wow."

 

[Antoine]

There are two large/main Mazda dealers in all of Japan and I visited the one here in the Kansai area (Nishinomiya). I met this uber knowledgeable guy who works there that told me there might be a next gen RX-7 in the works but not for another 3 to 4 years. He mentioned that originally Mazda was not going to develop a next gen 7 until Ford suggested (persuaded?) they do so...

Take it for whatever it's worth...

 

[Brian MP5T]

I think they have proven the the RX line is worth the investment. The RX-8 got a good review from Jeremy Clarson... That is almost imposible..

 

[spacemonkey]

" it doesnt seem like its running on anything harsh and vulgar like petrol. it feels like its running on double cream."

And yes it is quite a smooth engine. When I drove my buddies RX8 I keep asking himif the engine was on. personally think the RX8 is a great car. Not really what most americans are looking for (they only care about power and 1/4 mile times) but the car feels great and I think its looks good for a real 2+2 car! And more practical then most of its competators. insurence is also cheaper.

only thing clarkson didnt like was the looks. "Look at the tail lights...busier then a bishop's hat."

And he said theres not really enough room in the back. I dont know I sat in the back from Orlando to indianpollis for F1 race...thought it was very roomy. im 6'1 about 195 lbs. But I guess the peopel sitting up front arent as fat or tall as clarkson. Not as roomy as a linclon town car (it is a smaller car) but not as cramped as a porsche 911 back seat (baby seats)...lol.

if they do come out with a RX7 its going to follow Mazda's principle for a pure sports car.

- 2 seater
- great handling and suspention
- Rotary engien for balance
- Light car for responsivness (hard becasue of modern day crash test standard)
- Always RWD

Key is the weight since the rotary engine will lack torque in NA configuration. and Turboing it it out of question becasue of emission standards. So for more torque most liely they will go with a 3 rotor. While try to keep the weight as low as possible without comprimising safety and comfort. My guessis try to make the curb weight 2800-2900 lbs since it will be lighter then the RX8 which is about 3000-3100 lbs. But thats my guess on what it will be like.

 

['87 Turbo II]

And yes it is quite a smooth engine. When I drove my buddies RX8 I keep asking himif the engine was on. personally think the RX8 is a great car. Not really what most americans are looking for (they only care about power and 1/4 mile times) but the car feels great and I think its looks good for a real 2+2 car! And more practical then most of its competators. insurence is also cheaper.

only thing clarkson didnt like was the looks. "Look at the tail lights...busier then a bishop's hat."

And he said theres not really enough room in the back. I dont know I sat in the back from Orlando to indianpollis for F1 race...thought it was very roomy. im 6'1 about 195 lbs. But I guess the peopel sitting up front arent as fat or tall as clarkson. Not as roomy as a linclon town car (it is a smaller car) but not as cramped as a porsche 911 back seat (baby seats)...lol.

if they do come out with a RX7 its going to follow Mazda's principle for a pure sports car.

- 2 seater
- great handling and suspention
- Rotary engien for balance
- Light car for responsivness (hard becasue of modern day crash test standard)
- Always RWD

Key is the weight since the rotary engine will lack torque in NA configuration. and Turboing it it out of question becasue of emission standards. So for more torque most liely they will go with a 3 rotor. While try to keep the weight as low as possible without comprimising safety and comfort. My guessis try to make the curb weight 2800-2900 lbs since it will be lighter then the RX8 which is about 3000-3100 lbs. But thats my guess on what it will be like.

I hope if mazda releases a 3 rotor N/A, they make a turbo install,incredibly and conveniently easy to do (wink wink) like how the protege has a hole under the coolant box stock for a cold air to fit in (how "convenient") because I heard the Renesis rotary is surprisingly hard to turbo, but if they make it easy to turbo and possible offer a Mazdaspeed turbo kit, or limited ed. production mazdaspeed turbo, it wil kick so much ass.

 

[Old Rotor]

Here is a video of the car....
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/d...20030915/pageCode=videopopup/articleId=108811

 

[clicknext]

Seems to me that it'll fall into a similar role as the MX-6.

 

[KYLiquid]

no way, that car is a low HP, cool looking car (see scion) its target market is first time car buyers.....its NOT the next rx7....its not even rotary.....please

 

['87 Turbo II]

we established that's not the next Rx-7 a while ago. try reading.........

 

[Brian MP5T]

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