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- Plano, Texas, USA
Yep, like you and OP, I really prefer gen-1 CX-5 than gen-2 on design! And after driving 12 days on a 2017 CX-5 Touring as a loaner, I firmly believe all the added "improvements" on gen-2 CX-5 are not that much significant to me. Cylinder deactivation is a total downer and a major step backward on 2018 MY!
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- 2017 CX-5 GT AWD
I took the OPs quote of "If they don't put the 2.5t in the CX-5 isn't going to keep selling." to indicate that the CX-5 would not sell well without a 2.5T - and my point is that CX-5 sales have gone up year over year, so the engine choice has not hurt them. If he had said "more people would buy Mazda CX-5 with a 2.5T" I would have agreed.
As the OP I feel....The 2016 CX-5 showed up with those wheels the already bitchen 14 style, ride and some added new features like the commander knob. That seems to be a long time ago now. There just hasn't been a car since that made me feel I'd like a upgrade because there just hasn't been one. If you think the 17 is a upgrade over the 16 well then enjoy your less appealing car.
As far as sales. Those 14 owners are in the market again and there is nothing the CX-5 has that will make them want a new one. Hence sales will decline as people are eyeing a car with appeal. The forester lived off that 2t. So imo if Mazda has a chance at keeping sales going they have to get the t.
As far as sales. Those 14 owners are in the market again and there is nothing the CX-5 has that will make them want a new one. Hence sales will decline as people are eyeing a car with appeal. The forester lived off that 2t. So imo if Mazda has a chance at keeping sales going they have to get the t.
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- Denver, CO
Yeah I'll be keeping my 2014. If I had to replace it, I'm not sure what I'd do to be honest. Gen 2 just doesn't appeal.
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- RDX Aspec Adv.
New rav looks good! Want to know more about the driveline.
Same. The cvt kind of sucks but the truck platform sparks my interest. I came from a X-terra and the CX-5 was about all i could find that I liked going practical. This new rav 4 might be the practical ticket for single guy that isn't growing up.
Generation two looks great. Is more for family than spirited drivers. It is a step up. Infact CX-5 with CX-9 are pulling mazda sales this year. It might hit 150k. Which is good jump. Anyone who thinks perceptions are easy to change in auto world is deluded.
Mazda is already doing great in markets which value premium cars instead of going gung ho on hp and cu. ft. e.g. Europe and Australia. Certain EU markets compare mzd more with Volvo than Honda.
If mzd wants sales in USA add more cargo / hp keep mpg good and cheapen up. The new Accord is not selling due to lack of incentives whereas Last year yota had to discount rav4 too much so as to not loose market. It was a corporate decision to eat some profits but Don't let competitors gain market access.
Plus even major reviewers on YouTube have been candid about Nissans discount. It enables sub 500 credit folks to get new cars at cheaper prices. Even VW understands usa wants cargo and big cars as long as gas is cheap.
Reality is makers can make different cars for EU and USA e.g. we don't get Polo, UP here and EU gets them. Mazda cannot. So they make few and the best they can. Nissan and yota have 20% or so fleet sales, hybrid versions and 3 or 4 dealerships per one mazda dealer. Hence the volume.
You can't make money going cheap and volume. Kia is an example and you can buy Kia's with air bags not deploying and overstated EPA. See Nissan too. I am impressed with MZDs approach. It will disgruntle the 15000 diesel buyers or the 15000 2.5t buyers. My hunch is those buyers cant afford to help MZD pay for crash testing and certifications etc and still be profitable.
Mazda is already doing great in markets which value premium cars instead of going gung ho on hp and cu. ft. e.g. Europe and Australia. Certain EU markets compare mzd more with Volvo than Honda.
If mzd wants sales in USA add more cargo / hp keep mpg good and cheapen up. The new Accord is not selling due to lack of incentives whereas Last year yota had to discount rav4 too much so as to not loose market. It was a corporate decision to eat some profits but Don't let competitors gain market access.
Plus even major reviewers on YouTube have been candid about Nissans discount. It enables sub 500 credit folks to get new cars at cheaper prices. Even VW understands usa wants cargo and big cars as long as gas is cheap.
Reality is makers can make different cars for EU and USA e.g. we don't get Polo, UP here and EU gets them. Mazda cannot. So they make few and the best they can. Nissan and yota have 20% or so fleet sales, hybrid versions and 3 or 4 dealerships per one mazda dealer. Hence the volume.
You can't make money going cheap and volume. Kia is an example and you can buy Kia's with air bags not deploying and overstated EPA. See Nissan too. I am impressed with MZDs approach. It will disgruntle the 15000 diesel buyers or the 15000 2.5t buyers. My hunch is those buyers cant afford to help MZD pay for crash testing and certifications etc and still be profitable.
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I'll enjoy my more responsive and modern looking 17 thanks.
That being said I'd like them to add a turbo. They just did it to the 6 I imagine when the cx-5 gets a signature trim level they will drop the turbo in it.
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- 2017 CX-5 Grand Touring
This. Drove a 16 CX-5 when my wife was looking and it was not quiet on the road, far worse than my basic 07 Altima was. Test drove the 17 was was impressed at the difference. Looks-wise, I'm not a big fan of the burly truck look (see everything from Dodge...), I like the more sophisticated styling of the 17 CX-5 over the 16 CX-5, and significantly more than the new Rav4.
Stick the 2.5 turbo in the CX-5 though? Whoooo boy, I might not stop smiling anytime I'm on a good road without traffic!
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- Plano, Texas, USA
No Toyota doesn't use CVT on RAV4 but a 8-speed automatic like the one used in Lexus. Of course the CVT has always been used on all hybrids.
2019 Toyota RAV4 Press Release said:
This industry-first Rear Driveline Disconnect system definitely is a major step to the right direction to save fuel on an AWD system as it actually stops the rotation of the rear drive shaft when it's not been used!
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- 2017 CX-5 GT AWD
When it comes to the Japanese automakers my wife and I have always had a soft spot for Mazda. In 2000 we had to buy a family car (child on the way) and were building a house - needed cheap. So we test drove every econo-box on the market. Honda, Toyota, etc. - BORING and other things we didn't like. Settled on a mid-trim Protege - fun to drive.
Fast forward to modern times, had a 2010 Mazda 3 - fun and loaded this time. Then we both upgraded to Lexus - but I kept looking at CX-5 since its release. I even emailed Mazda telling them that if they added more luxury and convenience I would ditch my Lexus. They responded to my challenge in 2017. I sold my Lexus and got a CX-5. Only thing I missed (on paper) is auto-dimming side mirrors, but then found i don't miss them in practice.
I won't bother to criticize the pre '17 as others do. I thoroughly enjoy my fun, quiet, refined ride in the '17. I would never trade it for any model year earlier.
The mazda 6 just got auto dimming and heated side mirrors. I hope they bring them to the cx-5 by 2020!
I totally agree with alphadog00
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- 2017 CX-5 GT AWD
We have heated side mirrors today on the 17 (at least on the GT) .
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