need some input on new car

[Sacrilicious]

honestly, it feels like the g35x is going to be the best bang for the buck here. it's used, so the fact that it doesn't hold its value as well as many other cars actually works really well for you: more car for less!

 

[happy and angry]

I have driven in the snow plenty of times, people complain about the summer times on the speed3, I was driving to work on them last year when we had 6 inches of snow with no problem, i don't understand how people can say its like driving on Ice with them, you can't drive normally when it's snowing or raining, no matter what tires you have.

All I was saying was, if I had to choose in order of what kind of car I would drive in really bad weather, it would be AWD, than FWD, and last RWD. Who would drive a RWD car in snow over FWD and AWD? Seriously people (drunk)

You're full of crap. Launching in the snow with the MS3 with decent throttle control, especially with traction control, is fairly easy if lengthy process. Stopping is another issue. I've driven in snow and ice (and lots of it) since I started driving, and the summer tires this car comes with are the worst tires I've ever tried to use in snow. I've had better luck with near-bald all-seasons just because the rubber compound is so much softer in cold weather.

Your crap about RWD being inherently dangerous is nuts. There is no magic formula for safety or danger where drivetrain dictates which is safe and which isn't. A FWD car driven stupidly ends up in a ditch at a corner nose first, the RWD car goes in tail first, so what. It's less about drivetrain and more about how the vehicle a.) behaves in a skid under power and b.) recovers from a skid. A FWD vehicle is inherently easier to recover a skid because you need less skill as a driver to do it (in most circumstances, in the most common situations where a driver loses control), but that does not make RWD more treacherous or dangerous.

And your issue about RWD being better at a launch when weight over drivetrain wheels matters? So what? Starting from a stop at a red lights and stop sign are not where most of the handling issues related to winter driving come into play. Dear god.

 

[tiagotiago]

ok, this is getting retarded.

+1

The guy on this forum who has this xkcd comic on his sig is so very right.

 

[duy856]

i would love to get an old evo or sti but up here in canada we only got the evo this year, and old sti's are still 30+k. even older wrx's are pretty pricey 20+k.. stupid canada lol. tonight im going out to test drive a 06 cobalt ss and then a 07 lancer gts. maybe i should just give up my hunt for a nice car and buy a 03 jetta tdi like my mom suggested haha (she drives one) and im not knocking vws...

isnt tax for cars crazy expensive in canada? lol my cousin lives up there and he ended up buying a used 2007 car from the U.S.. i heard that canada doesnt let people buy brand new cars from the u.s so he had to get a used one

 

[03.5-dc-speed]

usually srt4s have alot of miles in that price range.

i would go honda/acura because if you wanna get something really nice after being settled in the condo you wont be tied up in a loan and you would have a daily driver or nice project car.

 

[Alexsered]

You're full of crap. Launching in the snow with the MS3 with decent throttle control, especially with traction control, is fairly easy if lengthy process. Stopping is another issue. I've driven in snow and ice (and lots of it) since I started driving, and the summer tires this car comes with are the worst tires I've ever tried to use in snow. I've had better luck with near-bald all-seasons just because the rubber compound is so much softer in cold weather.

Your crap about RWD being inherently dangerous is nuts. There is no magic formula for safety or danger where drivetrain dictates which is safe and which isn't. A FWD car driven stupidly ends up in a ditch at a corner nose first, the RWD car goes in tail first, so what. It's less about drivetrain and more about how the vehicle a.) behaves in a skid under power and b.) recovers from a skid. A FWD vehicle is inherently easier to recover a skid because you need less skill as a driver to do it (in most circumstances, in the most common situations where a driver loses control), but that does not make RWD more treacherous or dangerous.

And your issue about RWD being better at a launch when weight over drivetrain wheels matters? So what? Starting from a stop at a red lights and stop sign are not where most of the handling issues related to winter driving come into play. Dear god.

Engine Braking FTW!! Thanks for stating the obvious (cool) I'm done talking about this, everybody that has some experience in driving in snow know AWD>FWD>RWD. Are we done talking about this?

Anyway, I feel like your best choices are in the G35x and the RSX S. Both have great engines, and I think the G35x would be alot more comfortable, but the RSX S holds its value really well. This isn't a bad spot to be in, choosing between all these cars.

 

[happy and angry]

Engine Braking FTW!! Thanks for stating the obvious (cool) I'm done talking about this, everybody that has some experience in driving in snow know AWD>FWD>RWD. Are we done talking about this?

Anyway, I feel like your best choices are in the G35x and the RSX S. Both have great engines, and I think the G35x would be alot more comfortable, but the RSX S holds its value really well. This isn't a bad spot to be in, choosing between all these cars.

Thumbs up, guy, ignoring the point again.

RWD will kill you if its(sic) not bright and sunny outside.

Weight over drivetrain wheels in the snow is only really significant when launching from a stop when inertial resistance is at its highest. In all other circumstances the major hurdle, regardless of drivetrain, is the general dynamic of the vehicle while driving in s*** conditions. RWD will not

kill you if its not bright and sunny outside

 

[340CID]

So he lives up here in Canada where we get some snow. I think someone mentioned it but regardless of which car you get, you need to buy snow tires if you're worried about control during the winter. It seems that this thread has taken a wrong turn down FWD vs RWD vs AWD. I'll take a front wheel drive car with snow tires and drive circles around a RWD or AWD car that has summer and/or all season tires on it. All this talk about which or how many wheels are driven is trivial if there's not a set of snow tires wrapped around the wheels.

Remember, AWD only helps you accelerate. AWD does not help you corner better/safer/faster and AWD does not help you brake/stop better/safer/faster. And if you don't have snow tires on an AWD car in the snow, AWD isn't going to help you accelerate either.

 

[happy and angry]

Properly equipped, any vehicle can handle inclement weather well enough. I'm not trying to turn this into a drive train argument, I just seriously take issue with anyone saying that one particular drive train or another will get you killed in bad weather.

 

[Sacrilicious]

Properly equipped, any vehicle can handle inclement weather well enough. I'm not trying to turn this into a drive train argument, I just seriously take issue with anyone saying that one particular drive train or another will get you killed in bad weather.

the only thing that will get you killed in bad weather is summer lego block tires and a lead foot...;o

 

[///M Compact]

Properly equipped, any vehicle can handle inclement weather well enough. I'm not trying to turn this into a drive train argument, I just seriously take issue with anyone saying that one particular drive train or another will get you killed in bad weather.

That's my objection as well; if you are an inept driver who actually needs FWD/AWD to drive in the rain, then simply stay off the road. But don't use your own incompetent driving skills and Kindergarten level knowledge of vehicle dynamics to justify blanket statements about RWD handling.
Perhaps we should take Dilbert's advice regarding arguing with idiots.

 

[Alexsered]

So he lives up here in Canada where we get some snow. I think someone mentioned it but regardless of which car you get, you need to buy snow tires if you're worried about control during the winter. It seems that this thread has taken a wrong turn down FWD vs RWD vs AWD. I'll take a front wheel drive car with snow tires and drive circles around a RWD or AWD car that has summer and/or all season tires on it. All this talk about which or how many wheels are driven is trivial if there's not a set of snow tires wrapped around the wheels.

Remember, AWD only helps you accelerate. AWD does not help you corner better/safer/faster and AWD does not help you brake/stop better/safer/faster. And if you don't have snow tires on an AWD car in the snow, AWD isn't going to help you accelerate either.

yeah, very true, but he sounded like he was on a budget already, I didn't know if he could afford two sets of tires. Since S2000's only come with summer tires, I said to get the rsx-s or the g35x. It seemed like the best bang for buck out of all of those.

and that comment about RWD killing you was an exageration, I later stated that I was merely talking about driving and stopping at lights and getting going again. I never ment that it would literally kill you (deadhorse

 

[jpalmerm]

For a snowy climate...

how about a 04-06 WRX?
01-02 Audi S4?

 

[jaydubz]

S2000 FTW! Unfortunately I am too big to fit in one! SADFACE!

 

[777sacco]

G35 is fast and fun to drive and holds four adults comfortably I know nothing about ins or maintenance though
RSX is nice but insurance in my prov is sky high as it is classed as a sports car. honda engines =timing belt Also for the odd time you do want to give someone a lift the backseat is useless
how about a used Mazda3? no timing belt insurance here is less as it is 4 door and you should be able to find one in your price range

 

[CC87]

Yea I don't know why wrx's aren't being considered a little more seriously..

About the whole snow thing, I'm pretty sure one of the most important factors is the tires. Snow sticks to snow, and whether you're fwd, rwd, or awd if you don't have grip you don't have grip.

Everything else I've seen just sounds like ego and driving slowly enough

But yea, wrx is definitely a solid contender in the 10-15k market - i'd pick something a little more gas efficient for my daily though - maybe an '04 civic si

 

[ms6acton]

i would love to get an 04-06 wrx but up here thats over 20k

 

[nate0123]

6S v6 manual (220 hp regular gas)

no?

 

[ms6acton]

i didnt even see the post from before sorry. and i didnt even think of a 6 v6. i take it you ahve one, how do u like it?

 

[nate0123]

it's slightly bigger than I would have normally considered, but it handles well, and really comes alive with a few mods

I love the V6/5-speed combination, and mine has all the luxury goodies so it feels very sophisticated as well

if you want a more in-depth review, send me a pm or something