Need Relationship Advice ....

the one question, when any relationship gets bad, that you have to as your self is "can i keep living like this?" (and i mean this seriously) if you come up with 'yes' as an answer than you do what you have to do to grin and bear it. if you answer 'no' you can the project and start all over (sucks but its the truth).
Oh my God, that might be the best advice so far in this thread!

But you do have to consider it from both sides of the fence. While you might be able to continue the relationship with how things are .. she might not have had the same upbringing as you, and so might not be willing to 'tough it out'. I think it's vital that you have a discussion about it. Because relationships aren't one-sided. If you're willing to work on it, that's great -- but she has to be willing, too. If she isn't, you're both just wasting your time.

Katya's right in that the first month or so living together is the worst. You're making a bazillion little adjustments to each other, and sometimes it just makes you want to scream.

Girls also have the tendency to hold 'grudges' about past behavior much moreso than guys. I don't know why, but it's just the way it is. I do it myself -- and even when I'm fully aware of the fact that I'm doing it, I still have a hard time making myself stop. But whenever your girlfriend says something like, "Blah-blah, but you were an ass to me the other day!" .. That's when you just have to suck it up, apologize again, and ask to please leave the incident in the past.

You might also want to suggest switching the kind of birth control pills that she's on .. Different people react differently to various kinds. I remember one kind that I was on -- sweet Jesus, they made me INSANE. I was on them for two months and NOBODY wanted to come near me because I was so ballistic. Then I switched, and I would get intermittent 'highs and lows'. Then I switched AGAIN .. and this kind that I'm on now seems to fit. Sometimes a girl just has to 'shop around' to find the right hormone balance in her pills, LOL.

Bottom line -- you guys need to talk. You need to figure out what her priorities are. If they don't line up with yours .. then it's probably time to move on.
 
Wow, so many great replies, where to begin. Well, to start, I have been married 12.5 years and when we fight, we can raise the roofs but when we make-up, we knock down some walls. Fighting sucks but I can't imagine any relationship without some disagreement to the point that if she agreed with everything I said, I would get suspicious.

Lawyers, I have worked with many of them on the client side (over 200 firms and counting) and have had the pleasure and displeasure of meeting many of them. All the ones that I have met are either too laid back and whine too much when pushed or think they are gods gift to the bar association and will accept nothing less than beating out the competition and think everyone else is out to get them. Not one have I met that fell in the middle. Just food for thought here.

Now, on to you. At first glance, you do not seem compatible. She appears to be the lone-wolf, super independent and you seem to desire the co-dependency a good relationship can offer. You may be putting too much on her when you ask her to share every part of her life as this may not be something she has become accustomed to in her young, ambitious life. She has worked hard for that number one spot while you slacked off to number 11 and the fact that you mentioned this makes me wonder if there is a jealousy issue here but we can get back to that. Now, since no one has come right out and said it yet, your GF looks like a "hottie with a naughty body" (sorry ladies, had to) and I also wonder if what you want is a superficial, the trophy girl. IMO, trophies are nice to have but if all they do is look nice, then they belong on a shelf collecting dust, not in your hands and on your mind everywhere you go.

Now, some of your comments caught my eye and one really disturbed me
I use this as an example because I grew up knowing that splitting up is not an answer. No matter how frustrated and pissed off my parents got with one another, they always stuck it out. I have no doubt that they would be happier with other partners, but they took vows and had children and are keeping their promise to one another. Thus, having witnessed this, ending a relationship is not in my vernacular. Unless there is some physical violence or some serious serious problems (stealing or infidelity) then I tend to commit myself for the long hall.
Hey, nothing wrong with giving a relationship your all but what I am reading here is you will commit yourself to this relationship no matter how miserable you may be. You both need to get something out of a relationship in order for it to be healthy. You are still very young and not exactly the ugly kid on the block either so it's not like you should have issues meeting someone else should it not work and your future children will be happier for this.

Now, some of your recent problems could be due to this still very early cohabitation but have you ever had a real, heart to heart with her about what she is looking for in this relationship and what it is you could do to make things better in her eyes? You're both aspiring attorneys and one thing you will need to learn at some point is that after all the yelling, threats and promises you make when you may fight, at some point you need to be prepared to make some compromises that you can both agree on and that are not overly broad and burdensome to either party. This in no way means to give up everything you want or desire, it means you need to be happy with the outcome. If you can not come to some kind of happy, middle ground, it may just be time to move on.

This is all based on the little bit of one sided information you have given us so it would be good to here the woman's side of it.

Lastly, I will leave you with something someone told me many years ago. Not 100% sure on what it means but it goes something like, 'You can't tame a wild animal. You can capture it, keep it in a cage, train it to do your will but the first chance that animal gets, it will bite you and in the end you will be alone and in pain wondering how this could have happened.'
 
Wow, so many great replies, where to begin. Well, to start, I have been married 12.5 years and when we fight, we can raise the roofs but when we make-up, we knock down some walls. Fighting sucks but I can't imagine any relationship without some disagreement to the point that if she agreed with everything I said, I would get suspicious.

Lawyers, I have worked with many of them on the client side (over 200 firms and counting) and have had the pleasure and displeasure of meeting many of them. All the ones that I have met are either too laid back and whine too much when pushed or think they are gods gift to the bar association and will accept nothing less than beating out the competition and think everyone else is out to get them. Not one have I met that fell in the middle. Just food for thought here.

Now, on to you. At first glance, you do not seem compatible. She appears to be the lone-wolf, super independent and you seem to desire the co-dependency a good relationship can offer. You may be putting too much on her when you ask her to share every part of her life as this may not be something she has become accustomed to in her young, ambitious life. She has worked hard for that number one spot while you slacked off to number 11 and the fact that you mentioned this makes me wonder if there is a jealousy issue here but we can get back to that. Now, since no one has come right out and said it yet, your GF looks like a "hottie with a naughty body" (sorry ladies, had to) and I also wonder if what you want is a superficial, the trophy girl. IMO, trophies are nice to have but if all they do is look nice, then they belong on a shelf collecting dust, not in your hands and on your mind everywhere you go.

Now, some of your comments caught my eye and one really disturbed me

Hey, nothing wrong with giving a relationship your all but what I am reading here is you will commit yourself to this relationship no matter how miserable you may be. You both need to get something out of a relationship in order for it to be healthy. You are still very young and not exactly the ugly kid on the block either so it's not like you should have issues meeting someone else should it not work and your future children will be happier for this.

Now, some of your recent problems could be due to this still very early cohabitation but have you ever had a real, heart to heart with her about what she is looking for in this relationship and what it is you could do to make things better in her eyes? You're both aspiring attorneys and one thing you will need to learn at some point is that after all the yelling, threats and promises you make when you may fight, at some point you need to be prepared to make some compromises that you can both agree on and that are not overly broad and burdensome to either party. This in no way means to give up everything you want or desire, it means you need to be happy with the outcome. If you can not come to some kind of happy, middle ground, it may just be time to move on.

This is all based on the little bit of one sided information you have given us so it would be good to here the woman's side of it.

Lastly, I will leave you with something someone told me many years ago. Not 100% sure on what it means but it goes something like, 'You can't tame a wild animal. You can capture it, keep it in a cage, train it to do your will but the first chance that animal gets, it will bite you and in the end you will be alone and in pain wondering how this could have happened.'

Thank you for your reply.

First one thing i would like to mention is that being #11 in law school is hardly slacking off. I am in the top 10% of my law school class, and if you ask around that is quite an accomplishment.

This being the case, good call on the jealousy issue. This is something i have talked with her about. I had interviewed with some big firm jobs as well that were going to pay 2.5K /week - but i was turned over for others. There was some definite ill will towards the whole "big law" sphere even though not all firms were the ones who looked me over. I think this definately had a part to play in our debacle as of late - and I have come clean and expressed this to Ashley.

Although I was a bit jealous (not necessarily of her or her job - just that I didnt get offered one too...) I don't think the jealousy issue is the only thing in play here. I believe at first it played a part, but then after a while i mellowed out and realized that I liked the job I was at, and would be happier i think at a smaller firm as opposed to a big law firm.

The point you bring up about the parents thing is something that I have been aware of for some time. I Know it can be both a blessing or a curse. That is why i try to step back sometimes and really inspect whether the relationship is healthy and meaningful - or if I'm just trying to shove a square peg into a round hole. So far, in this relationship, I haven't come to the conclusion yet that it is unhealthy or not meaningful. I still see traits and qualities that both of us espouse and know that we match on them. But there are also others that we dont share which sometimes concerns me.

Next, I am not a guy who dates trophies. I was surprised that she even wanted to talk with me in the first place. I admit that she is smoking hot however. Very hot.

I am in no way shape or form superficial in terms of who i choose to date. I can love anyone. I might be able to see how one could think that, but that is most definitely not the case with myself.
 
you guys are so funny ;-)

maybe this summer ill get some beach pics and them post them up...
 
Maybe if you want her to leave that would be a good idea...otherwise, I wouldn't post them up unless she knows and gives permission to do so. :p
 
Maybe if you want her to leave that would be a good idea...otherwise, I wouldn't post them up unless she knows and gives permission to do so. :p


OF COURSE i would ask her first haha. Believe me, if there is one thing I have learned - it is that haha.
 
i definitely think if they were nudey pics he'dneed to ask permission, but if she's clothed, there's no problem with posting up pictures of her.
 
i definitely think if they were nudey pics he'dneed to ask permission, but if she's clothed, there's no problem with posting up pictures of her.

you dont know my girlfriend. ;-)
I wouldn't be pleased if B went posting up pics of me in my bikini on the intArnetZ. So don't go raggin' on azian cause he's being respectful of his woman, and isn't willing to treat her like a freebie-sex-object.
 
Sucks to hear it dude but honestly the writing was on the wall IMO. It sucks now but it'll work out for the best. It's foolish to stay with someone that was treating you as she was.
 
Sorry to hear that...just take it one day at a time, take care of yourself and school/work and see what happens...
 
no worries bro. she sounded exactly like my ex...yea relationships arent meant to be one sided..so now i'm sure u'll find an awesome girl. it'll work out for the best. sure it may hurt right now but u'll get over her :)
 
Yeah just one step at a time. It is just really hard because I love this girl to death. I think i just pushed her away though. Time will tell.
 
Yeah just one step at a time. It is just really hard because I love this girl to death. I think i just pushed her away though. Time will tell.

dont blame urself man. u explained that she changed the minute she started workin for that firm.
just think about all the new possiblities that will open - itll all get better man, u jsut gotta tough ur way through it
 
So I read through all of this and from what I know in the 7 years I have been with my boyfriend is that you two breaking up may help you. We split up for a few months in our 2nd year (he left me). It hurt more than I could ever had imagined since it was my first heartbreak. Got back together and it renewed us. Our 5th year I broke it off for a few months and once again it renewed us. Since those two splits we both got the chance to feel the hurt and understand how much each other meant to one another.

But also during those times the hurt did fade away after a while. The first split he dated someone but I was to hurt to make myself date also. The 2nd time I dated someone and he didn't. But that's what made us realize that we wanted to stay together. It was a good thing that we went thru that. But at the same time I also know now that if we were to split again I could make it thru it and recover easier and quicker cause I already been thru the hard part and that's the first time you ever feel that pain.

Just think you don't have anything trapping you to her like a kid. Then things would be much more difficult.
Good luck and start modding the car some more.
 
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