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[perfworks]

oh yea, and any info on how much the intake manifold will be running?? How long until the release of it?? And will it be better than the intake manifold offered on the j-spec engines?? I need to know this in a hurry cuz i am planning on ordering my intake manifold very soon and need to make a decision

the intake manifold will be ready in a little over a month. if your in a huury sorry but i need to test a few designs on the dyno first. not just going to slap somthing together. im known for doin s*** right the first time.

 

[perfworks]

I was hoping some of the known gearheads would jump in here . Perfworks, chdesign etc. Where are ya guys? Perfworks, what can your piggyback do for a NA setup?

Chris

when i go to the dyno for the F/I results i will test boost and off boost. it will show CAI, ported and polished manifold and head and full exhaust work. The piggy will be installed and only then can i tell you how much she can help.
but remeber the more air charge you can process thru the motor the more power you will make . the piggy will help with that as long as your engine can breathe.
we are coming out with an N/A kit. Whoever is interested now is the time to PM me so that i can give you specifics of what we are coming up with. just like the guys have turbo kits the N/A guys will have theirs too

 

[snowman4us]

i whould be interested in the NA kit!!! i bet u whould get enough interenst to get a kit going...maby even stages!

 

[20ESGUY]

Cam timing (through adj. cam gears) is completely different, as it determines when each cam opens the intake/exhaust valves and controls overlap a bit, I take it. Is my understanding of cam timing correct? What are typical things people do with cam timing (specifically on the FS-DE) to get some gains? Thanks again. I'm just trying to get some information. I'll have to look around the net as well.

yes, you're correct on the cam timing. one neat thing with that is by adjusting the open/close timing on the intake side you can effectively retard or advance the igintion timing by adjusting the point at which the fuel charge enters the combustion chamber. The exhaust timing will effectively increase or shorten the duration of the fuel burn and scavenging effect of the exhaust. As for the MP3's timing, i think it's only 3 or 4 degrees advanced from ours, not quite sure. you could probably advance up to aroud 6-8 degrees without seeing too much predetenation.
there are a couple of guys on this board with MP3's running the FSZE HC pistons i beleive and i havent heard of problems with the timing. honestly 3-4 degrees is not all that far advanced. Hey Perfworks, what are you planning to include in your NA kit...something along the lines of header and head work i take it??

 

[perfworks]

The N/A kit is in the works now. We are physically working on it as we speak. It will consist of CAI, larger throttle body, intake manifold ( tuned for N/A ) , full tubular exhaust manifold with egr function and complete 2.5" exhaust with high flow cat and single chamber muffler. It will have a larger 80mm MAF meter along with a piggy back computer to control fuel , ignition and nitrous.
She will be ready in one month for testing. Any one interested can contact me for details. We are also looking for one vehicle to testit on. We will do it for our cost of the production

 

[Matthew]

dammit and to think i already have a cai and exhaust

 

[DooMer_MP3]

The N/A kit is in the works now. We are physically working on it as we speak. It will consist of CAI, larger throttle body, intake manifold ( tuned for N/A ) , full tubular exhaust manifold with egr function and complete 2.5" exhaust with high flow cat and single chamber muffler. It will have a larger 80mm MAF meter along with a piggy back computer to control fuel , ignition and nitrous.
She will be ready in one month for testing. Any one interested can contact me for details. We are also looking for one vehicle to testit on. We will do it for our cost of the production

Is the 80mm MAF really necessary for a NA setup? We're not really cramming any more air in the engine. I would think the stock MAF would be just fine. But if you have reasons lay 'em on me . I would definitely think about the larger throttle body and better intake manifold though. And if the header were a 4-2-1 or 4-1 design I would consider it as well, otherwise I might go with the RacingMazda header. And then of course there is the piggyback which should really help.

I'll probably look into custom cams and get the Tripoint camgears as well if I do go the NA route.

Chris

 

[snowman4us]

how mutch do u think its going to cost? and what HP gains are u thinking this kit will produce?
NA POWER!!!

also why are u guys now putting in higher comp. pistons, cams, pullys? just wondering.

 

[DooMer_MP3]

Usually thats one of the steps in NA tuning. Higher compression pistons, more aggresive cams, and cam gears to advance/retard the intake/exhaust cams.


Chris

 

[perfworks]

Is the 80mm MAF really necessary for a NA setup? We're not really cramming any more air in the engine. I would think the stock MAF would be just fine. But if you have reasons lay 'em on me . I would definitely think about the larger throttle body and better intake manifold though. And if the header were a 4-2-1 or 4-1 design I would consider it as well, otherwise I might go with the RacingMazda header. And then of course there is the piggyback which should really help.

I'll probably look into custom cams and get the Tripoint camgears as well if I do go the NA route.

Chris

It reads and meters proportionatly. The larger the meter the more range it has to meter the aircharge . Evry molecule will be acounted for and less fluctuation in voltage from the meter to the PCM. It simply reads more accurately. A N/A motor will want to rev more to make more power. In the higher RPM range the meter will accurately meter the airflow so the it is not " guessing" on the amount of fuel the engine needs. Like a map sensor and a smaller diameter meter which will "bottom out" and become a restriction. You see on todays heads you dont really need to dump fuel like in the old days. Long time ago you used to go to 10-10.5 :1 A/F ratios to produce power because of combustion chamber design. It wouldnt make any power because the molecules of air and fuel were not properly "spaced " for proper ignition and timing. Todays designs , for combustion chambers allow you to run very high static compression ratios and lower A/F ratios to get max power at 13:1.

So up top when you need to know how much fuel you need for power so you dont fall flat on your face , is key. The larger meter works that way. Think about it as a wideband O2 for the intake

 

[perfworks]

how mutch do u think its going to cost? and what HP gains are u thinking this kit will produce?
NA POWER!!!

also why are u guys now putting in higher comp. pistons, cams, pullys? just wondering.

i dont have a price on it yet but were looking for an additional 60 -80 hp . I am low balling it. With the piggy back she should be very powerfull.
I do recommend though upgrading to higher comp pistons and stronger rods but for the street you should be OK with stock
You have stock 9.1:1 comp. right now. with some better cams you should see great gains with the kit.

after the F/I kit is done we will start to finish up on the N/A kit

 

[snowman4us]

I WANT IT!!!!!
60-80HP that whould be sick!!!! that whould make some Turbo owners look pussy. are u thinking it whould cost under $2K?
also that whould be using Stock internals right?also stock cams/springs?
and what whould red line be uped to?

 

[perfworks]

I WANT IT!!!!!
60-80HP that whould be sick!!!! that whould make some Turbo owners look pussy. are u thinking it whould cost under $2K?
also that whould be using Stock internals right?also stock cams/springs?
and what whould red line be uped to?

All of those questions will be answered when we go to the dyno and tune. I will have to wait till then to give you more specifics. Like i said in the earlier post ( i think i did in this thread) i will need a car in new jersey or the surrounding area to put the system on. Every car that has called so far has been for install of a turbo kit. I need someone N/A
The kit we can do at cost so we can get it bolted up and started.

 

[Pro Fiz]

god damnit, i wish i wasn't moving on the 11th i would let you test on my car.

 

[AnthonyO3]

I was planning on going N/A, I am talking about throttle body, manifold all that good stuff. I have a Mp3, will any upgrades mess with the ECU, or if I am thinking right the piggy back will take care of that, right?
If everything is going to be compatible with the Mp3 then I am all for it.

 

[twilightprotege]

i'd be very interested to see the testing dyno runs (i very much hope you do numerous runs)....good work perfworks

 

[shortyhawaii1]

Prefworks, you are the man!! This is what I've been looking for! Sounds like a hard core sweet deal. Hope to get some more details on this kit soon.

 

[perfworks]

I was planning on going N/A, I am talking about throttle body, manifold all that good stuff. I have a Mp3, will any upgrades mess with the ECU, or if I am thinking right the piggy back will take care of that, right?
If everything is going to be compatible with the Mp3 then I am all for it.

yes the piggyback will tune the car for max power and efficiency no matter what upgrades have been done. After speaking with my Partner we will have 2 stages of kit for N/A operation

 

[perfworks]

Prefworks, you are the man!! This is what I've been looking for! Sounds like a hard core sweet deal. Hope to get some more details on this kit soon.

i just need one month. i will have some results.
Some one with a car in Jersey??
let me know who would like to drop theur car off for one to test in.
ill eventualy find someone but a person from the forum would be nice

 

[AndrewSilverMP5]

Hey Nick,

I'm willing to drop my car off for a while for you to test on ... I'll give you a call on your cell sometime this week, and we can work out the details.

Andrew