Ms3 Vs 9-2x

MS3 VS 9-2X


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so first off I've never driven the 9-2x Aero, or the WRX wagon. I did compare the impreza wagon, the standard 9-2x, and the mazda 3 when I purchased my 3. Here's my little review I wrote for someone else. Again, bear in mind this was with standard models (non-turbo), and I wrote it in November. I'm not familiar with the specs on the '07 models (or really the '06's for that matter)

The impreza wagon was one of the other cars we were looking at when we bought. We also looked at the Saab 9-2x which is the same thing as the impreza with minor changes. I'm assuming you've test driven the Subaru and the Mazda at this point, right? Well I'll give you my thoughts on them, and anywhere I thought the saab was different I'll throw that in too.

Power: Engine wise you're looking at a whopping 13hp difference for 0.2L of engine size. This is after a small power increase for 2006. The '05 I drove didn't feel much different between them, but then there was only a 5hp difference. The Impreza is about 200-300 pounds heavier so this might be what offsets the power gains. Just want to throw in here that the gear box on the 3 is remarkably smoother and more comfortable to shift. The Impreza felt a little gritty and just didn't flow as well from one gear to another.

Handling: Well, the Sub. is going to hold the road much better than the 3 is due to the AWD, but overall the 3 feels much more nimble on the road, and more responsive. The more responsive steering in the 3 is probably due to the electro-hydraulic power steering and being lighter. The 3 can cut a corner a foot shorter than the Impreza despite having a 4" longer wheelbase. The Saab had a much softer suspension so was more comfortable while still feeling sporty.

Comfort: The seats in the 3 are a little stiffer than those in the Impreza so are more comfortable for 'spirited' driving, but can become a little uncomfortable on long trips. I've done road trips in a forester which stayed pretty comfortable overall. The 3 offers more space to occupants with the exception of front head/leg room where the impreza comes in with less than an inch more. The 3 gives more than 3" more of rear leg room however. I noticed no lack of good A/C in the Impreza, though I think the previous A/C problems in the 3 have been fixed. All controls were easily reached from a comfortable driving position. The 3 offers a tilt/teloscopic wheel vs. the impreza's tilt only.

Safety: Both cars come standard with ABS this year, though only Mazda gives you Electronic Brake Force Distribution (truthfully I don't know what this does, but I assume it helps you brake better. j/k ) Also both cars give you four wheel disc brakes, with the Mazda receiving bigger rotors. IIHS doesn't have any side impact statistics for the Impreza a this point, and the 3 was rated poor when tested without the optional front side/side curtain airbags. I believe that other similar cars that were retested with side airbags got much better results. Both vehicles received Good ratings on front/front offset. The Impreza isn't available with side or curtain airbags at all, though the Saab has front side airbags.

Economy: Between basic models you're not going to be paying too much differently for your new car as they end up being about $500 off from each other. The 3 gets better gas mileage than the impreza. With a smaller tank it's still rated for longer distances. Of course this all depends on your driving habits. The Impreza is also heaver which lends to it's unmiserly-ness. Mazda and Saab offer 4yr/50k mile across the board with Sub giving a 5yr/60k powertrain, 3yr/36k bumper to bumper warranty. The Saab adds around $2k to it's price tab for it's Saab badge and other minor modifications.

Functionability: Obviously the Impreza has AWD which will give pretty much anyone that feeling of invulnerability when driving in adverse conditions, plus about an inch more ground clearance. Beyond that the Impreza offeres nearly twice the total cargo space of the 3 while giving about the same for behind the seat space. If it makes a difference to you the Subarus come with a retractable cargo cover vs. the hard cover of the mazdas. I think the Impreza also gets a basic roof rack, or possibly just the side rails without cross members. Just as a place to add this, the 3 is wider and longer than the Impreza, though the Impreza is a tad taller.

Styling: Hands down the 3 kills the impreza here. The exterior and interior of the impreza is pretty boring overall. You don't get the feel of everything flowing together and being integrated as much in the impreza (though it should be easier to put an aftermarket deck in the Sub). Also the fake silverish trim on the dash on the Impreza can get worn and look pretty crappy after a few years. Most people that sit in the 3 are a little taken aback at first because it just looks so cool. The 3 gives you electroluminesent red on blue gauges with a red dash (didn't like it at first, but love it now) vs. the Subaru's greenish/yellow. The Saab has some different upholstery/door inserts which brighten up the otherwise dim interior of the Impreza, also the front bumper/headlights were replaced with Saab-ish parts to make it look more refined.

Toys: No doubt you can get many many many more options on the 3, though many of them are only on the Grand Touring which will run you a bit more. (xenons, moon roof, leather, TPMS, auto wipers, etc) If this is something you're interested in then look more toward the 3. Also add in the steering wheel controls as a plus for the 3. I love these and get really annoyed when I'm driving a car without them. If you're still set on the impreza but want other things like heated seats/mirrors, leather or a moon roof then the Saab is for you.

Overall the cars come pretty close to eachother so really I'd ask what is it you want from your car. The Saab adds a hefty price tag for not too many differences, though despite that we decided we would've bought it over the Impreza because those differences "made" the car for us. Drive them both and look over the standard/optional options and make sure you're going to be happy with your purchase. Hope this helps some for you, and as always questions are welcome.

~icspots

To add into this. You're correct that the HP isn't everything. The 9-2x might launch better than the speed3 just because of the AWD, even though it's heavier. Obviously though it's hard to compare the Aero to an unreleased car. I think most of my points on the styling are still pretty accurate between the standard Mz3/9-2x/impreza. The saab suspension was definitely softer than the subaru's, but I'm not sure what they did with the Aero. I'd still expect it to be softer.

Pros for the speed3: better HP/tq numbers, more "toys", better styling, more standard safety options

Pros for the 9-2x: AWD, larger cargo space.

Obviously that's my opinion, which is to say it's probably not everyone's. Take it with a grain of salt.
 
CTGrey02 said:
Wait... you already have a AWD car to beat around in the winter? Why even consider it then? I car pool with my wife to Hartford every day and we always take my beater unless it snows, in the snow her 03 Sante Fe is more than up to it... and my Focus is plenty fine in snow and sleet as well. I seriously can't see the point in having two AWD vehicles when you can have a better performing vehicle that's just as veristal the rest of the time.

Truth be told, it's my wife's ride. Since she's a teacher, I usually drive it when we get a lot of snow (since she's usually off anyway) But yeah, I see your point. In the end, it's the same difference I suppose. That said, I think I'd prefer to just drive my own car. Being in outside sales, my trunk is basically my filing cabinent. Moving stuff back and forth would be a chore... though, in comparrison to buying a lesser vehicle I don't really 'need', it would be worth the tradeoff.

So yeah... good point. See, this is why I made this thread! I had to be set in the right direction and, I'm happy to say, I'm definitely where I need to be. Mazda's the s***! to think I'd even consider breaking ties... where's my loyalty?

So yeah, MS3 here I come!

Btw, LOVE the spelling of [FONT=&quot]versatile[/FONT]! haha j/k
 
Great post ICSpots... I'd give you some rep points but, for some reason, it's not working.

Anyway, as I mentioned above, I think we're pretty much beating a dead horse here... The more I think about it, the more I like the MS3 (at least, in comparrison) Whoever said it's a win/win is right on though. I mean, they're both great cars and are both nearly perfect for certain personality types. If you're somewhat conservative, live somewhere where there's bad weather, need some cargo space and want a car with some balls... the saab's a great choice. (but only with the current rebates... ) otherwise, I feel it's a bit over-priced.

So, let I'm going to officially declare the MS3 (despite the fact that it hasn't even been freakin released yet!) the unanimous winner! I think Mazda realizes they've got themselves a real winner here... did anyone else notice how they jacked the price up on the website? It's sort of minor but... I've got a bad feeling this car might actually sell for MORE than sticker. Anyone who's considering buying this car, we need to ban together and play hardball. Let's keep the pricing down on these badboys. In fact, ignore the car like most did with the msp. Maybe, just maybe Mazda will bring back those kickass rebates! brand new msp for $17k.... wtf?!! doesn't get much sweeter than that!
 
I have yet to drive either, so I should probably shut up. :)
That said, I'm thinking seriously about the 9-2x.
I can get a slightly used 2005 9-2X for 16-17 grand easy.
A new Mazdaspeed3 would set me back 26-27 easily after taxes.

That's a big difference to me. About 400 a month in payments vs. about 200 a month in payments after I trade in the Protege. I honestly think the Saaburu is definitely the better looking car and I'm a little bit irritated by Mazda's both understyling and overstyling. The interior is totally irritating to me. Something about the recessed gauges and dash just annoys. But anyway... an 1800 dollar Cobb 2 setup should put the 9-2X in Speed3 territory. I really don't need to go any faster than that or I WILL lose my license.

Other factors, $200 less in payments a month... more money for playing with the Miata. Also, it's a Saab (albeit hilariously bastardized fake one) and you don't see those everywhere. I see Mazda3's EVERYWHERE. And even a trained eye can hardly tell the difference between a Speed3 and a normal 3 at 50 yards. I realize that's part of the appeal, but was never in love with 3 shape to begin with. That's just my take. Sorry to get superficial. Saab is about the only Euro make I could drive and not feel like a total douchebag. Much as I appreciate BMW, Mercedes, and Audi on many levels. And I just have to be different.... even if I'm really just getting a WRX Wagon.... (boom01)
 
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If you truly can get a "slightly" used 92-x aero for $16k, I say go for it. Personally though, I think that's a bit low... but I could be wrong.

As far as your comparrison goes... it's completely unfair. You're comparing a 2+ year old car to a brand new one. Of course the cost and payments on the 92-x will be lower. -Also, you're better off comparing the Saabaru to the MS3 Sport (which goes for around $22k)- At the same time, you're starting off with 30k miles... not 0. In addition to sacrficing at least some of the best years of the car's life, you may also be making a bad financial move. A lot of people just automatically assume that a used car is a better overall deal. Not always. You have to take into consideration the fact that the finance rates are generally much lower for new. (I've heard of people actually getting the MS3 at a 1.9% 36 month rate) The best you can hope to get on a used car at that term is 7.5% In addition to that, if you think long term, you'll be recovering some of your money when it comes time to sell. Since the used car choice would obviously have a lot more miles on it, all things being equal, it'll be worth a lot less. (once you cross that 100k mile mark your value drops like a bag of bricks) The new choice on the other hand might still have some good years in front of it... making it possible to get a nice return back when it comes time to sell.

My point is... make sure you look at it from every angle before making a move. (that goes for looking at the cars too) Obviously looks are subjective but... damn!! there's no way in hell you can convince me in a million years the saab is better looking (insider or out) or better put together than the mazda. Obviously, since it's a subaru, it's well built... but the interior is still chintzy (frameless doors anyone?)
 
It's not a close decision. I drove the first round 9-2x and came away really unimpressed. The lack of power and turbo lag alone was enough to make me walk away , even though they were selling at ridiculous deals. Interior was poor and there was no excitement to driving the car whatsoever. Sure, you could dump a couple of grand into the 9-2x, but why bother?

Actually, here's a review I wrote for a local newspaper I used to work for: http://www.devincomiskey.com/articles/9-9-04Saab92xreview.pdf
 
A friend of mine bought one a couple years ago and got a "ridiculous deal". He tried to convince me to follow suit and, to his credit, I almost did. Then I realized that it was no different than when a store jacks up the prices one month, only to then mark everything down by 70% in order to lure people in the door. That car stickered for close to $30k while a similiarly equipped subaru version was about $6k less. Even THOSE cars didn't sell for that price... Based on what some of my friends (who sell subarus) tell me, I'm pretty sure Subaru made little-to-no money on those cars. But I digress...

All GM/Saab did was "correct" their pricing. A lot of people thought they were saving $6k on a $30k car but, in reality, they were buying a $24k car for $24k.

I disagree with you to an extent about the driving dynamics though... To me, it pretty much felt like any other WRX. Maybe a little slower but not by that much. The AT version my friend got on the other hand... forget about it! I'd rather drive a buick lesabre.
 
I realize it was an unfair comparison, but I'm just not too psyched about owing more than 10 grand in a depreciating asset unless I hit the lottery. I'd rather make my mortgage payment and buy firearms and Miata stuff. Things that 'sort of' hold their value or increase in it. (OK scratch Miata stuff.) Last I checked Autotrader there's a couple 9-2X's with less than 20K miles for 16-something.

You have to realize, my daily driver is a Slowtege with cold air intake, header, catback, and MP3 ECU. Any of these turbocharged cars is going to feel fast as s*** to me.

I will test drive around though.
 
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Well I just went on autotrader and couldn't find a single 9-2x within 100 miles of you. I broadened the search to 300 miles and found 11... but only 2 were aeros and they were arouind $19k You sure it wasn't a linear you saw? Those can NEVER be compared to an ms3
 
CHICO2003 said:
If you truly can get a "slightly" used 92-x aero for $16k, I say go for it. Personally though, I think that's a bit low... but I could be wrong.

They were selling for that NEW back then thanks to the GM employee pricing for everyone thing they had going on back then.
 
Damn, you're thorough man. :) I didn't say within 100 miles of me. Vegas is a terrible used car market. I seriously doubt I'll find what I want here at a reasonable price. I've had to travel out of state to buy the two vehicles I've bought in the last year and a half. One-way flight and road trip!

If I do decide to step up my daily driver, I'll probably sell the Protege, drive the Miata for a few months, and check the classifieds every other day until the perfect car shows up in LA or Phoenix.
 
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CTGrey02 said:
They were selling for that NEW back then thanks to the GM employee pricing for everyone thing they had going on back then.


LOL If memory serves, the rebates totaled $6k Depending on the options, the stickers ranged from around $28-31k for the aero. (I know because I was very close to buying one) The base version might've been had for $16k...
 
SilverBulletES said:
Damn, you're thorough man. :) I didn't say within 100 miles of me. Vegas is a terrible used car market. I seriously doubt I'll find what I want here at a reasonable price. I've had to travel out of state to buy the two vehicles I've bought in the last year and a half. One-way flight and road trip!

If I do decide to step up my daily driver, I'll probably sell the Protege, drive the Miata for a few months, and check the classifieds every other day until the perfect car shows up in LA or Phoenix.

But you said you could get a "slightly" used 2005 92-x aero for $16k "EASY"

Maybe I'm just too lazy but my idea of "easily" buying a car doesn't involve me flying to another state and then driving back. Even still... I did a search in MY area (3k miles away) and got even worse results.

Even though I like the MS3 better... I definitely wouldn't kick a 92-x aero (MT) out of bed. As I said before, if you can truly get one with... under 30k miles (that wasn't beaten to shreds) for $16k... I say go for it. Otherwise... get yourself an MS3 sport! haha
 
You'll always have your fanboys... most sensible people can weed through that nonsense. Though I like Mazdas, I'm not loyal to a fault. By-in-large... I think the majority of people (on this site at least) fall into that category.
 
The last good Saab was the V4 Sonnet. I loved that car.
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Saab collaborated with Subaru. GM owns Saab.

So GM sorta colaborated with Subaru, I suppose.

The only real Saabs are long gone. By mid 90s the Saab 900 was based on an Opel (GM). The 9000 was never really a true Saab but shared chassis with a Fiat and Alfa Romeo 164. Don't get me wrong, I love the 9000.

But then again, by that logic you could claim the Mazda3 is not a real Mazda.... ad nauseum.... sharing chassis and motors is not a bad thing in itself by any means.
 

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