MS3 Quirks

[Saskatchewan17]

But your argument still doesn't mean that the MS3 has a lack of pull in 4th gear and up. It only means that the cars you have driven just have excessive amounts of horsepower and pull in higher gears, so as I previously stated, the MS3 doesn't lack punch in 4th and up. It's just that you have almost "spoiled" yourself with a faster car so the MS3 seems to pale in comparison.

 

[camrycev6]

But your argument still doesn't mean that the MS3 has a lack of pull in 4th gear and up. It only means that the cars you have driven just have excessive amounts of horsepower and pull in higher gears, so as I previously stated, the MS3 doesn't lack punch in 4th and up. It's just that you have almost "spoiled" yourself with a faster car so the MS3 seems to pale in comparison.

Perhaps... But neither does your argument (saying I am spoiled) mean that it does. Since this is a completely subjective argument, neither of us will ever be "correct." You say the MS3 pulls in 4th gear and up. I say it doesn't. You say it is because I have been spoiled by another vehicle. I could argue that has nothing to do with it, the MS3 still doesn't pull. Without some sort of quantitative metric, we are just spinning our wheels... quite literally. On this point, we may just never agree... I still think my MS3 was the best car for the money when I purchased it. 2 years later, I still do --- quirks notwithstanding...

 

[Saskatchewan17]

Perhaps... But neither does your argument (saying I am spoiled) mean that it does. Since this is a completely subjective argument, neither of us will ever be "correct." You say the MS3 pulls in 4th gear and up. I say it doesn't. You say it is because I have been spoiled by another vehicle. I could argue that has nothing to do with it, the MS3 still doesn't pull. Without some sort of quantitative metric, we are just spinning our wheels... quite literally. On this point, we may just never agree... I still think my MS3 was the best car for the money when I purchased it. 2 years later, I still do --- quirks notwithstanding...

Why, yes, our arguments are completely subjective and therefore there can never be a clear cut "winner" in the argument. Touche sir. (rei)

 

[oaklandopen]

i actually like 4th better than 3rd

 

[Saskatchewan17]

i actually like 4th better than 3rd

And I like 2nd better than 3rd. You really have to be moving to take full advantage of 3rd up to 5.5k. You can waste 2nd gear and only be at around 45-50 MPH. At the end of 3rd you're moving pretty friggin fast.

 

[HOBDisease]

And I like 2nd better than 3rd. You really have to be moving to take full advantage of 3rd up to 5.5k. You can waste 2nd gear and only be at around 45-50 MPH. At the end of 3rd you're moving pretty friggin fast.

I love the 3rd gear just a little bit over 4th

Most fox-2004 mustangs with just intake/exhaust hate our 3rd gear...

3rd - Kill begins
4th+5th - Wraps it up
.....on the drag strip of course.....

 

[RC08MS3]

Ok....I still stand by my 4th gear and up opinion. 335s still walk us and they weigh more than a MS3...

walk us? are you serious? i dont classify a car as walk, and your also comparing a 42k msrp to a 25k msrp, im sure with the difference in cost mazda would build you a car that would walk all over a 335i, but that wasn't the point of the speed. The simple fact that a speed3 keeps anywhere close to a 335i for the cost to power is amazing.

and your comparing your s/c G35 to your single mod speed 3? wow buddy, we have a winner. take the same single mod you have now and put it on a G35, then compare against a speed and see what happens.

 

[Saskatchewan17]

walk us? are you serious? i dont classify a car as walk, and your also comparing a 42k msrp to a 25k msrp, im sure with the difference in cost mazda would build you a car that would walk all over a 335i, but that wasn't the point of the speed. The simple fact that a speed3 keeps anywhere close to a 335i for the cost to power is amazing.

and your comparing your s/c G35 to your single mod speed 3? wow buddy, we have a winner. take the same single mod you have now and put it on a G35, then compare against a speed and see what happens.

Alright alright... cool it man. We don't want this thread getting shut down. He's not simply comparing his MS3 to his old G35. He's just making a statement that the MS3 doesn't have a lot of pull (in 4th and up) because it doesn't put up amazing horsepower and torque numbers (like his G35 did). The actual argument that the MS3 has little punch in 4th and up is extremely subjective and can be debated for days. 335is pull like freaking crazy even in stock form. When even slightly modded (chip, intake) they can pull on almost any car out there (within a reasonable limit), especially in 335xi AWD form. So yeah 335is can walk us all day long (stock for stock and even lightly modded for stock) and even from a roll. BTW MS3s start right before 23k and 335is start around 34k.

 

[Saskatchewan17]

Oops sorry, you do win at one part of that. 335s start at 40k. I'm sure you can find some lightly used for well under 35k.

 

[RC08MS3]

and im stating he's trying to compare superman to your neighborhood watchman

he has an other than CAI stock single turbo speed, comparing to a twin turbo inline 6 335i, and a s/c v6 g35, apples to oranges much?

but im done, yes everyone is entitled to there opinion, but it has to make sense before try to convince others of it. "your" speed may not have much pull after 4th, but even with minimal mods i didnt see to many average street cars in 4 banger turbo class keeping up.

 

[Saskatchewan17]

and im stating he's trying to compare superman to your neighborhood watchman

he has an other than CAI stock single turbo speed, comparing to a twin turbo inline 6 335i, and a s/c v6 g35, apples to oranges much?

but im done, yes everyone is entitled to there opinion, but it has to make sense before try to convince others of it. "your" speed may not have much pull after 4th, but even with minimal mods i didnt see to many average street cars in 4 banger turbo class keeping up.

Oh no, don't get me wrong, I'm more on your side than his. I don't agree with his statement that the MS3 has little punch in 4th and up. I think the MS3 is ridiculously punchy and an amazing performing car for any money, not just for 24k. I'm just trying to break up a potential argument and state some facts. Yeah, I do agree that comparing a sport compact to a sports sedan/coupe that's RWD is a bit ludacris, especially with the price difference. I do agree that from a roll at least, a Speed3 is pretty potent, even more so (if only slightly) than mustangs and evos/stis (stock for stock of course).

 

[camrycev6]

...and I still stand by my statements guys. I appreciate you trying to be fair Saskatchewan17.... I think RC08MS3 has got his feelings hurt on this one and needs a tissue. Seriously... you use the comparison to an S4... which is an AWD car that costs how much? Hmmm.... About 40K? So when I make a RWD comparison (335i) that costs about the same, I have suddenly just "gone crazy". Also...I did say that the MS3 performed well for the money... I never said otherwise. Why else would I buy one? I could have got a 335...and almost did...but I didn't think it was worth the difference in price.

This all started because I said one simple thing: I don't think that the car pulls much in 4th gear and up. I only made the 335 comment after the S4 stuff suddenly gets thrown out there. A stock 335i will still walk a stock MS3 all day and night... price be damned.

So you don't agree with me...fine... I am ok with that, but if you are going to open it up to comparisons that are only convenient for you... You should try a different approach.

 

[mazdaspeed562]

Yeah...right... sure you have.... That really doesn't make sense when 335's (300 HP) can hang with us all day long... I think you should lay off the acid, because clearly you aren't seeing reality.... That, or you may want to make sure the other driver is actually trying...

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. I think at 4th and up the car lacks signficant punch. 3rd, however, is very nice.

your a fool bro first of all your sn is camrycev6 wooooooooo what a fast granny mobile secondly you never had a g coupe supercharged stop lieing, thrid of all ill post the ******* video of me eating the s4 from a 4th roll. so before you trash the fastest stock fwd car ever produced you should do some reasearch

 

[Nliiitend1]

...and I still stand by my statements guys. I appreciate you trying to be fair Saskatchewan17.... I think RC08MS3 has got his feelings hurt on this one and needs a tissue. Seriously... you make a comparison to an S4... which is an AWD car that costs how much? Hmmm.... About 40K? So when I make a RWD comparison (335i) that costs about the same, I have suddenly just "gone crazy". Also...I did say that the MS3 performed well for the money... I never said otherwise. Why else would I buy one? I could have got a 335...and almost did...but I didn't think it was worth the difference in price.

This all started because I said one simple thing: I don't think that the car pulls much in 4th gear and up. I only made the 335 comment after you pulled the S4 stuff out of your rectum. A stock 335i will still walk a stock MS3 all day and night... price be damned.

So you don't agree with me...fine... I am ok with that, but if you are going to open it up to comparisons that are only convenient for you... You should try a different approach.

I think I can open it up to a comparison that should be convenient for EVERYONE:

Compared to MOST CARS ON THE ROAD, the MS3 does not "lack pull" in 4th gear.

It's pretty hard to argue with that.

 

[camrycev6]

your a fool bro first of all your sn is camrycev6 wooooooooo what a fast granny mobile secondly you never had a g coupe supercharged stop lieing, thrid of all ill post the ******* video of me eating the s4 from a 4th roll. so before you trash the fastest stock fwd car ever produced you should do some reasearch

Can I get a translation into English please? Your puerile response doesn't really deserve one from me, but I will at least humor you:

1) I owned a camrycev6 back in 1998. I had it S/C by TRD in 2000. I sold it in 2003.
2) I did own a S/C G35 from 2003 to 2006. Feel free to call Altered Atmosphere in Gaithersburg, MD. They can confirm my car and my numbers.
3) You sir, are a blathering idiot who cannot even spell the most basic words, and I appreciate you confirming it with your post.
4) What does the fact that the MS3 being the second fastest FWD stock car (The new Cobalt is faster, but I guess you should have done your research -- but then again, see item #3 above.) have to do with anything about 4th gear? Do you even reach 4th gear on a 0-60 run? No.

Thanks for playing.... I guess you can go home with your consolation prizes now: A dictionary, and a GED from Thailand.

 

[camrycev6]

I think I can open it up to a comparison that should be convenient for EVERYONE:

Compared to MOST CARS ON THE ROAD, the MS3 does not "lack pull" in 4th gear.

It's pretty hard to argue with that.

Can't argue with you there! That is certainly a fact.

 

[meicalnissyen]

I have noticed on a few occasions, the car has the ability to make women shed their clothing? Anyone else get that?

.

Yeah, but that center console greatly interfers with road head activities

 

[oaklandopen]

your a fool bro first of all your sn is camrycev6 wooooooooo what a fast granny mobile secondly you never had a g coupe supercharged stop lieing, thrid of all ill post the ******* video of me eating the s4 from a 4th roll. so before you trash the fastest stock fwd car ever produced you should do some reasearch

winnar for biggest losar award!!!!

 

[Kain]

your a fool bro first of all your sn is camrycev6 wooooooooo what a fast granny mobile secondly you never had a g coupe supercharged stop lieing, thrid of all ill post the ******* video of me eating the s4 from a 4th roll. so before you trash the fastest stock fwd car ever produced you should do some reasearch

Trust me when I say the irony is not lost on us.

 

[camrycev6]

Trust me when I say the irony is not lost on us.

It took me several moments to realize his post was actually not a joke.