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btw I spoke with Pdhaudio83 yesterday his tranny is down as well, it might just be the shift fork they have not taken it apart yet 
either way this is really leaning me to these gears
is there anyone that makes an upgraded shift fork? I remember seeing this a long time ago but dont remember
either way this is really leaning me to these gears
is there anyone that makes an upgraded shift fork? I remember seeing this a long time ago but dont remember
I talked to PDH yesterday... I'm pretty sure it's just a fork... Mazda makes an upgraded fork and it is significantly different...
as far as the 5th gear... I have to run the calculations, but I"m pretty sure your 70 mph cruise will go from 3500 down to about 2900.
as far as the 5th gear... I have to run the calculations, but I"m pretty sure your 70 mph cruise will go from 3500 down to about 2900.
lcruz64 said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again... WHAT poor lubrication of the tranny? There is no actual case of evidence that genuinely points to a lubrication problem. Focus's blown gear had charring on the synchro, which is part of where this lubrication thought comes up... but when a gear is engaged, the synchro, shaft, ring gear, and main gear all rotate TOGETHER.. there is no movement of any of them relative to one another... so considering that every transmission has popped IN gear... the only necessary lubrication is BETWEEN the gears... and considering that they are sitting a bath of oil submerged... I don't think there is a lubrication issue there... so again... WHAT lubrication issue.
EDIT: I'm not trying to be a dick on this point, but there has not been any genuine proof of a lubrication issue... and that is how rumors and false ideas get spread... if there is a lubrication issue and it can be proven and shown... then awesome... and it needs to be shown if it is mechanical, or a fluid type issue, or whatever else... Nick's gear sets are of a much higher quality performance design than what is in our transmissions... so there is no doubt they are superior and will perform much better overall... but it's not an apples oranges comparison in a lot of ways.
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lcruz64 said:
LOL... I wouldn't call it well lubricated... I'd go with "at this point we have no reason to really believe it is not sufficiently lubricated" tranny. The upgraded fork only applies to pre 2002.5 Protege's. Anything after 2002.5 has the fork already. They added a beefier collar where it rides on the actuating rod, and they also altered some of the angles in the casting that change how it sits and holds onto the ring gear. It basically should yield a smoother action and be slightly more robust to prevent breakage... that's all the "upgraded" forks do... there are also upgraded synchros that don't show any visible difference, but are supposedly heat treated and/or coated differently than the earlier transmissions.
Focus said:
But it wouldn't do it IN gear. When it is in gear it is all locked up and everything is fixed relative to each shaft. Because everything has broken in gear is why i have a problem with the lubrication theory... I do agree the design does lend itself to the potential for a lubrication problem as you have pointed out... but we haven't actually seen a failure that would be indicative to it.
If there is no governor... and if you have a enough horsepower to do it... then yes it would extend your top speed...
I'll try to do the calculations right now and give yout he info... your speedo is off if you cruise at 70 mph at 3100 rpm's... (I think... my speedo reads like 3300 at 72 and i know it reads high..)
EDIT: Did the caclulation and assuming a 215/45/17 tire 70 mph should yield 2960 for rpm's. So it would seem your speed would be pretty accurate.
I'll try to do the calculations right now and give yout he info... your speedo is off if you cruise at 70 mph at 3100 rpm's... (I think... my speedo reads like 3300 at 72 and i know it reads high..)
EDIT: Did the caclulation and assuming a 215/45/17 tire 70 mph should yield 2960 for rpm's. So it would seem your speed would be pretty accurate.
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Focus said:
While getting in to gear, yes potentially there... BUT the power of the motor is not a factor at that point as you are not loading the transmission (or shouldn't be if you are shifting properly) and we'd see failures on unmodified cars as well then...
subscribe, so when will the r&d be done with the fifth gear so we know what the ratio ranges are, what all comes with the kit (if any) and a good $$ est, & how much higher the top end will be or 70mph rpm range. just the thought of bringing the rpm's down at 70 makes gas last that much longer.
It should go in another thread.. this is really for Nick's stuff, and we should keep it focused on that because it is a great product he has.. just keep an eye out for a new thread soonish (this next week) in the general performance section.
thanks,
Steve
thanks,
Steve
