MP3, MSP and P5 Engine Management solution

[Little Beavis]

Beavis I have answered this already. I will go into it again if it is not clear from my previous post. BUT the main difference is the fact that the standalone right now will only run an aftermarket tach. The standalone is much more expensive because of the tuning we must do to get EVERY ammenity and function operational. The stock ECU already has the function we need to get things running right.
We also can run an auto tranny from the standalone. There are many more examples I have already went thru.

I agree you covered what the difference is. . .I was just repeating the question of what the advantage of a standalone is. . .since it will cost more. Obviously you can control the VICS and such, but the question remains. . .does it make sense to go standalone if you have a piggy that does full timing and fuel. I certainly understand what the difference is. . .obviously we're not communicating the question "correctly" for you. Oh well, it could be worse.

 

[DooMer_MP3]

Damn, Beavis, we get the point already, LOL

 

[70]

I was gonna say, a damn triple post! (hand)

 

[DiscreetSpeed]

count me in nick...muahaha

 

[perfworks]

DAMN sorry beavis
BUT s*** whats up with this new forum display. It it me or did they change something.
The whole format is different.

 

[Turbo Matty P]

Nick, how does one with the parrallel unit go about tuning after the addition of parts? Is a laptop needed for this or is there some other way of tuning? Also, is there a way to have 2 pre-set maps (one for daily driving and one for N20 use) selectable without a laptop....maybe some sort of flip switch?? What I'm looking to do is have one map set for al of my bolt-on's and optimized for 93-96 octane fuel and then another setting to either pull the timing under Juice or better control fuel supply to handle 100+hp N20. I've got lots of N20 experienc and actually prefer it to turbos, but I figure with your system fuel control wouldn't be an issue. 50-75hp shot has been run safely on a stock 4cyl motor...I figure 100hp shot with proper tuning wouldn't be a problem.....what do you think?

p.s.......count me in also for the parrallel (wife's not putting out anymore anyways..might as well at least have a fun car)

 

[perfworks]

Nick, how does one with the parrallel unit go about tuning after the addition of parts? Is a laptop needed for this or is there some other way of tuning? Also, is there a way to have 2 pre-set maps (one for daily driving and one for N20 use) selectable without a laptop....maybe some sort of flip switch?? What I'm looking to do is have one map set for al of my bolt-on's and optimized for 93-96 octane fuel and then another setting to either pull the timing under Juice or better control fuel supply to handle 100+hp N20. I've got lots of N20 experienc and actually prefer it to turbos, but I figure with your system fuel control wouldn't be an issue. 50-75hp shot has been run safely on a stock 4cyl motor...I figure 100hp shot with proper tuning wouldn't be a problem.....what do you think?

p.s.......count me in also for the parrallel (wife's not putting out anymore anyways..might as well at least have a fun car)

Sorry to hear about this (upbum)
I agree at least you could have a fast car/ Yes we can have a switch to go thru the mapping for you in two different modes.
Also communication with the unit is done thru a serial port or serial converter for USB only laptops.

 

[Mental Addiction]

NO we are not using the 1010. We are getting a custom unit
The 1010 was originally designed for the Acura. BUT many use it as a universal. It works well, But we needed upgraded software and hardware
As far as the connectors go were are making them ourselves for the EECV harness.
Yes I believe you are right the later mustangs will have an EMS after about 6 months. They should have the issues resolved by then.
We are also working on producing a beta box for the Focus. Are you working with them yet?
I am really looking foward to doing some work on the late model drive by wire cars out this comming year.
What other projects do you work with?
Nick

Nick,

It looks like we are both using the same box.We went with the new smaller one as well.
Did you figure out the data stream feed issues?

We will have our turbo Protege at the Turbo Mustang shootout( http://www.turbomustangs.com/redirects/shootout.htm ) While there the AEM guys are going to overlook what we have done with there ECU and possibly help with the data stream issues.Have you been to AEM's facility or gone through there EMS training?

 

[Delivery_Guy]

First...this new interface has me screwwed up...I just posted a reply into the middle of this thread.

Second...

I was wondering if the parallel unit would help smooth out the jerky nature of the car in stop and go driving, or would you need the stand alone for this. Also, this might be somewhat of a dumber question, but does this make sense as a first mod? It seems to me at least the fuel and timing are pretty hosed on the MSP's.

Thanks,

Joe

 

[Mental Addiction]

I was wondering if the parallel unit would help smooth out the jerky nature of the car in stop and go driving, or would you need the stand alone for this. Also, this might be somewhat of a dumber question, but does this make sense as a first mod? It seems to me at least the fuel and timing are pretty hosed on the MSP's.

Thanks,

Joe

The jerkness on decell can be fixed by going into the decell fuel table and adding or subtracting fuel(which ever is needed).
If it's jerky at RPM accelleration it could be timing or fuel issues.

 

[perfworks]

Nick,

It looks like we are both using the same box.We went with the new smaller one as well.
Did you figure out the data stream feed issues?

We will have our turbo Protege at the Turbo Mustang shootout( http://www.turbomustangs.com/redirects/shootout.htm ) While there the AEM guys are going to overlook what we have done with there ECU and possibly help with the data stream issues.Have you been to AEM's facility or gone through there EMS training?

Actually there isn't anyone else with this box yet. PM me and we can talk about it. I dont want to go over any specifics on the unit on the open forum.
The data stream issues are almost resolved.
We are going out to AEM and become certified in the spring for their EMS. At the present time we are focusing on some projects here at home.
Im not sure what the guys over at AEM are going to do with the data stream for the DLC on various EECV ecu's. We are going to purchase the software needed to learn how the ECU reacts, interprets and sends the various input from the sensors to the drivers.
In the month of March we should have a clear picture for the Mazda Protege at least.

 

[perfworks]

First...this new interface has me screwwed up...I just posted a reply into the middle of this thread.

Second...

I was wondering if the parallel unit would help smooth out the jerky nature of the car in stop and go driving, or would you need the stand alone for this. Also, this might be somewhat of a dumber question, but does this make sense as a first mod? It seems to me at least the fuel and timing are pretty hosed on the MSP's.

Thanks,

Joe

Yes there are correction tables for various Throttle, rpm or load values. We will make sure that the issues on stock MSP's are null once the unit is installed.
The MSP and all the protege need a little more than just engine managment though.
IT in my honest opinion IS the BEST 1rst mod you an make. You should never skimp an engine management. It is the single most important factor in reliable performance.
My next mod for the MSP would be an upgraded coolant system. You would be amazed after datalogging the coolant sensor, to see the HUGE temp fluctuations under load. One of the most important accelerators for detonation is heat. You need to be able to dissipate it alot more efficienly than what the factory has come up with.
And of course stronger internals for the bottom end to handle the inertial loads from forced induction.

 

[Turbo Matty P]

do you feel the fuel control on the parrallel system will be capable of providing the extremely important task of handling nitrous? I have a very safe set-up in mind, but the better the fuel control is the more power I can make. I feel I'll be able to produce times better than the turbo-cars. If I can safely run 100hp+ of juice that would easily rival the 30-70hp gain that the turbo guys are getting out of their MSP's....hopefully the AEM P&P will allow the turbo guys to really turn the wick up.

Long story short.....will the AEM provide tuning capable of running N20 in excess of 75-100hp shot safely on the stock bottom end??

 

[perfworks]

do you feel the fuel control on the parrallel system will be capable of providing the extremely important task of handling nitrous? I have a very safe set-up in mind, but the better the fuel control is the more power I can make. I feel I'll be able to produce times better than the turbo-cars. If I can safely run 100hp+ of juice that would easily rival the 30-70hp gain that the turbo guys are getting out of their MSP's....hopefully the AEM P&P will allow the turbo guys to really turn the wick up.

Long story short.....will the AEM provide tuning capable of running N20 in excess of 75-100hp shot safely on the stock bottom end??

The AEM has the ability to control nitrous progressively or in any incriment you like, and at any point in the rpm, and load band. It can control ANY shot. From 35 to 1000. It is NOT limited. The only limitation is the ability of your engine to cope with the additional and sudden compressive and tensil load the connecting rod "feels" at those higher RPM's. As you know you need to be in an adequate engine speed site and/or load to activate the system. Or else you are just asking for problems.
The AEM will allow any turbocharged protege to increace their efficiency and boost levels.
The AEM will have complete control over the entire fuel and ignition spectrum. "Real" control

 

[azian6er]

hey nick did you get my pms?

-B

 

[Turbo Matty P]

so you feel the AEM would provide "excellent" fuel control to safely allow 100+ hp shots of N20??

 

[perfworks]

so you feel the AEM would provide "excellent" fuel control to safely allow 100+ hp shots of N20??

yes, yes, and some more yes

 

[perfworks]

hey nick did you get my pms?

-B

Yes you have my number to get back to me.
It has been hard to get back on this site today. Nevermind getting back to about 40 pms and 30 emails.
I am doing my best to get back to everyone. Including ones from three days ago

 

[Little Beavis]

Not to keep beating this. . .but what would the advantage be of a standalone (personally I don't care. . .but since people ask and I'm curious. . .I want a damn answer Nick!)

And when will these bad boys be ready? I don't want this thread dragging out for weeks then months. . .with promises. . .soon. . .very soon. . .we've got too many people on here with chubbies over this. . .they need some relief before the whole board goes up in flames!

 

[hukster00]

if we buy bigger injectors i asume the ems will be programd for them ? and up to what rpm will the ems be programd for ?

thanks,