Miracle for fuel economy?
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I would think gas companies would have tested this...but if it worked they would loose revenue so I guess it isn't in their best interest...just like saving the environment isn't in their best interest.
**** it, I'll ride my bike to work. Oh wait...I live in new england. Guess I'll just have to work from home.
**** it, I'll ride my bike to work. Oh wait...I live in new england. Guess I'll just have to work from home.
I've just done 170 Km (more than 100 Mi) with a quarter tank 70% highway. This is the first time I have those results!! 
The most I've got so far with "that" quarter tank is 140 Km
There seem to be more power in the 4K-6.500 RPM range, which is fun!
So far so good!
The most I've got so far with "that" quarter tank is 140 KmThere seem to be more power in the 4K-6.500 RPM range, which is fun!
So far so good!
I will keep u guys updated, don't worry!
I just don't drive all that much during the week so it will take some times b/f I have reliable numbers, but as I said in my previous post it's looking good (maybe a strong 15% increase in mileage)
I'm planning to use Acetone for a couple of weeks (ideally a couple of tanks) then, for another couple of weeks I'll stop using it and see if mileage goes down.
The only hard thing is to try to drive consistently. Usually when there's more power, there's also the tendency of using it! Therefore any mileage gains end up in speed!
I just don't drive all that much during the week so it will take some times b/f I have reliable numbers, but as I said in my previous post it's looking good (maybe a strong 15% increase in mileage)
I'm planning to use Acetone for a couple of weeks (ideally a couple of tanks) then, for another couple of weeks I'll stop using it and see if mileage goes down.
The only hard thing is to try to drive consistently. Usually when there's more power, there's also the tendency of using it! Therefore any mileage gains end up in speed!
Here's the link:
http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
Since I'm using Litres, I did the math for a 55L tank (protegs) and put 40 Ml (around 1.35 oz) for 25 L. It's a bit more than reccomended but I'll stick to it for my experiment.
Edit: I estimated what I had left in the tank, roughly 25 L (a bit less than the 1/2 mark) and I put in around 38 Ml of Acetone. Then, when at a 1/4, I put in another 25 L (as usual) with another 40 Ml of Acetone. BTW, with 25 L the gauge goes to 3/4, always. I will keep doing this for awhile. It's a bit rough but since I'm used to monitor my fuel consumption this way, I will have a very good idea if it works or not.
http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
Since I'm using Litres, I did the math for a 55L tank (protegs) and put 40 Ml (around 1.35 oz) for 25 L. It's a bit more than reccomended but I'll stick to it for my experiment.
Edit: I estimated what I had left in the tank, roughly 25 L (a bit less than the 1/2 mark) and I put in around 38 Ml of Acetone. Then, when at a 1/4, I put in another 25 L (as usual) with another 40 Ml of Acetone. BTW, with 25 L the gauge goes to 3/4, always. I will keep doing this for awhile. It's a bit rough but since I'm used to monitor my fuel consumption this way, I will have a very good idea if it works or not.
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It still just doesn't make sense with the way a car operates.
Not to mention, why is this just hitting the net now? Seems like if true this should be general Chemical knowledge for any engineer and would be common knowledge by now.
I worry that this is another internet rumor started and easily spread becuase of the increase strain fuel prices are putting on us all.
If it works, cool, but it an automibile that is more and morebuilt from plastic, I would think that eventualy something woud. The first which would be the plastic connectors and tubes used on fuel lines.
All speculation though. I asked my fiance to ask her God Father about this as he has a Masters Degree in Chemical Engineering. I will also ask my uncle who is a plastics engineer about the fuel lines. Also, I am contacting my buddy at Cal-tech about it.
Not to mention, why is this just hitting the net now? Seems like if true this should be general Chemical knowledge for any engineer and would be common knowledge by now.
I worry that this is another internet rumor started and easily spread becuase of the increase strain fuel prices are putting on us all.
If it works, cool, but it an automibile that is more and morebuilt from plastic, I would think that eventualy something woud. The first which would be the plastic connectors and tubes used on fuel lines.
All speculation though. I asked my fiance to ask her God Father about this as he has a Masters Degree in Chemical Engineering. I will also ask my uncle who is a plastics engineer about the fuel lines. Also, I am contacting my buddy at Cal-tech about it.
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50% of me thinks I understand the theory behind this working and 50% of me thinks I clearly dont know enough about how a car works to even have an opinion on this....
half of me thinks that the more power you can make with the same injectors, the better your fuel economy. Thus when I got my exhaust and intake, fuel economy went up because I am using the same amount of gas but making more power so I can go faster with that small amount of gas. In that sense this is just a fuel additive, IE a way to make more power without increasing the amount of fuel used, thus allowing you to go faster at any given RPMs while using the same amount of fuel (since as you said, the injectors remained the same).
but then the other half of me thinks there is some kind of relationship between engine revolutions and speed, probably a relationship based on how the transmission is geared......but (obviously) I dont know enough about how cars work to know which one of my ideas (or both) make any kind of sense.
half of me thinks that the more power you can make with the same injectors, the better your fuel economy. Thus when I got my exhaust and intake, fuel economy went up because I am using the same amount of gas but making more power so I can go faster with that small amount of gas. In that sense this is just a fuel additive, IE a way to make more power without increasing the amount of fuel used, thus allowing you to go faster at any given RPMs while using the same amount of fuel (since as you said, the injectors remained the same).
but then the other half of me thinks there is some kind of relationship between engine revolutions and speed, probably a relationship based on how the transmission is geared......but (obviously) I dont know enough about how cars work to know which one of my ideas (or both) make any kind of sense.
1sty said:
It kind of does. I mean, assume the fuel wasn't totally burning before.
Now you add an agent that makes it burn completely.
Now, to acheive the same A:F ratio, your injector doesn't have to stay open as long, since the fuel you're dumping is completely burning.
Just a theory, anyway.
Well, it looks like it's been on the net for quite a while. Maybe it's legit, maybe it's a placebo effect. That's what we're trying to find out here.
Werd, keep us posted.
This is taken from The Bosch Automotive Handbook:
It's interesting to note that Acetone has similar properties than Ethanol. It also ignites at 9 parts of air and is a lot more volatile than gazoline. Ignition temperature is quite high (it has an octane index of 150).
If Acetone is mentioned in this book it surely means thst it has been considered. I've "heard" tha some gas companies are using it as part of the additives they put in their gas (to market it as a claner burning gas and so on). For plastics and other parts that could corrode, some people have done tests (in different forums like ours) and did not report corrosion. And IMO, 1/1000 parts of acetone surely doesn't corrode more than 10% Ethanol.
It would be nice to find a serious study about this additive, see its effect on EGT, timing and so on...
It's interesting to note that Acetone has similar properties than Ethanol. It also ignites at 9 parts of air and is a lot more volatile than gazoline. Ignition temperature is quite high (it has an octane index of 150).
If Acetone is mentioned in this book it surely means thst it has been considered. I've "heard" tha some gas companies are using it as part of the additives they put in their gas (to market it as a claner burning gas and so on). For plastics and other parts that could corrode, some people have done tests (in different forums like ours) and did not report corrosion. And IMO, 1/1000 parts of acetone surely doesn't corrode more than 10% Ethanol.
It would be nice to find a serious study about this additive, see its effect on EGT, timing and so on...
Might be able to test this theory with some OBD scan tool that shows fuel trim levels. Because the ECU would have to adjust these in order to make the injectors open for a shorter time.Kooldino said:
Then again, I have read that in most modern engines, something like 98% of the fuel is burned under most conditions. This point is often used to debunk many fuel saving devices, since that extra 2% could no way give you 30% increase or whatever.
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Flyin - how often would your tip blacken up before?
Also, the fact that Acetone requires a very rich mix leads me to believe that a mild mixture of it isn't going to help all that much. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Peeps - Not a bad idea, and I have a scan tool that will do that.
Also, the fact that Acetone requires a very rich mix leads me to believe that a mild mixture of it isn't going to help all that much. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Peeps - Not a bad idea, and I have a scan tool that will do that.
This is pretty interesting. My mind wants to agree with 1sty because you're still using the same amount of fuel.
But if its burning more efficiently, then yes you probably would get better gas mileage. But how can that little bit of acetone mix evenly with 10 gallons of gas?
But if its burning more efficiently, then yes you probably would get better gas mileage. But how can that little bit of acetone mix evenly with 10 gallons of gas?
