Mazda's response re: Mazda performance parts

[BinaryRotary]

(stupid)

Dont even start with me AWD Mazdaspeed guy.

 

[Imissmy3rdgen7]

Ford seems like they won't be trying to step on Mazda's toes as often now (no SVT focus any more...it's gonna be all LUXURY, and the regular focus is aimed at a differnt buyer group).

(lol) Luxury from Ford??!! Since when?! The taurus interior in the cobra? (rofl)

 

[boostisgood]

If everything is so substandard, and the MSP has so many problems .... ******* SELL IT. QUIT BITCHING. I've never seen 3rd Gen RX-7 owners with blown motors and dead turbos b**** as much as you MSP guys, and the car cost 12 grand more. ******* grow up. Get ******* used to it, its the automobile industry and unless you buy a 1.6 liter Honda quit bitching about reliability.

Your getting a little out of context here. Mazda/Mazdaspeed os failing to meet its origional marketing for the Mazdaspeed program. They will not produce upgraded performance part for any mazdaspeed based car. They failed to provide a car that was worht the selling price. They have failed to market the vehicle, thus hurting its sale. They are now selling them well below invoice, thus hurting our trade in values.

You cannot compare the Rex7 and the MSP. They are 2 different cars, in different classes. I will b**** up a storm, because Mazda/Ford, failed to deliver to me, what I paid for, and thus, will be the brunt of all of my efforts to either improve the POS or buy it back from me.

On the other hand, the 3rd gen Rex7 is the ONLY Mazda I would ever buy. Take them apples. j/k

 

[turboge]

If everything is so substandard, and the MSP has so many problems .... ******* SELL IT. QUIT BITCHING. I've never seen 3rd Gen RX-7 owners with blown motors and dead turbos b**** as much as you MSP guys, and the car cost 12 grand more. ******* grow up. Get ******* used to it, its the automobile industry and unless you buy a 1.6 liter Honda quit bitching about reliability.

For one your statement is misguided and unjust. The people that have purchased this vehicle have paid X amount of money for a "product" that is supposed to be sound. If the owners of MSP's were promised to get their X amount of money back from selling the vehicle then I'm sure you would see a lot more used MSP's on the lot.

The MSP is not an RX-7, and the owners of each car are in a different class. You cannot compare the likes of a 19-21k car with one that was upwards of 33-40k.

There is no evidenciary proof in your statement that a 1.6L honda is reliable, other than the fact that you use it as an example. Have you personally questioned every owner of MSP, RX-7, and 1.6L honda to verify that it is indeed a car so reliable that it could stop the bitching of the masses?

Even after all of this hooplah about who should or shouldn't be bitching it comes down to a simple problem. A car is a product which is prone to failures, like any problem there is service and support for it. The service and support is what most end users look at when concerned about purchasing a particular product that has not yet been verified to be problem free. With a vehicle, you would think that any person willing to spend 19-21k and 5 years of their life paying for, the producer of said product would be more than helpful in creating a satisfactory level of support for the product.

If mazda had only one dealership, I'm sure that the level of support would be top notch. However dealers are independent entities with opinions just as you and I have. One dealer may not agree with what Mazda has to say about an issue and misguide a customer quickly. It is with the un-trained or un-authorized to "say this" type dealers that promote these problems to become issues to the end user, and find their way to the forums. So if something is wrong with your product, voice your concern to the manufacturer until it is resolved. You don't have to tell people to quit bitching because they have a concern that you find negligable, they own the car.

 

[loccusst]

I have bought two brand new Mazda's both protege's with one being a mp5. Since I bought the first car in 1996 the problems have been the same with Mazda. Their mechanics and service reps don't know anything and tend to blame problems on aftermarket intakes first. The factory exhaust header on the 96 has a stress point and will crack in half. They have to know this cause the dealership I went to to buy a replacement from was surprised that they actually had three on hand. The same exhaust header is used on the new protege's but has finally been supported some what. I feel that Mazda just puts a car out there and then when something new comes out they don't care about the past consumer thus the lack of support for mazdaspeed.

 

[Titanium-99]

Suggestion if you are concerned about your warranty go to SEMA.com and print a copy of the consumer rights regaurding aftermarket parts which is pretty much a Govt. mandate that states it is illegal for a car manufactuer or dealership to void your warranty even if you have installed aftermarket parts. Sure they can void the warranty on what ever part went bad if a after market part is directly responsable for the failure or corruption of a part on your car but they can not void the whole warranty of the car. I have personaly asked my service rep. at Freeman Mazda in Irving Tx. and he said yes this is true. Example if i install a larger intercooler and my power steering goes out they will still fix my power steering under warranty but if my turbo or something like that which works hand in hand with the intercooler goes out then they would not replace my turbo under warranty. But if you dont belive me check it out for yourself. The best thing you can do is print you out a copy and leave it in your glove box that way if a dealership disputes it you can wip out the laws and say "F" you its right here in black and white now fix it damn it!

 

[BinaryRotary]

Your getting a little out of context here. Mazda/Mazdaspeed os failing to meet its origional marketing for the Mazdaspeed program. They will not produce upgraded performance part for any mazdaspeed based car. They failed to provide a car that was worht the selling price. They have failed to market the vehicle, thus hurting its sale. They are now selling them well below invoice, thus hurting our trade in values.

You cannot compare the Rex7 and the MSP. They are 2 different cars, in different classes. I will b**** up a storm, because Mazda/Ford, failed to deliver to me, what I paid for, and thus, will be the brunt of all of my efforts to either improve the POS or buy it back from me.

On the other hand, the 3rd gen Rex7 is the ONLY Mazda I would ever buy. Take them apples. j/k

Mazda NEVER said it would produce aftermarket parts for the Mazdaspeed. I don't know where you guys keep on coming up with these ideas from. If you heard it from a mazda representative let me know who his/her name was and I'll ask them.

Do you honestly think that the MSP is the only car that has be sold for close to invoice this year by mazda? If you do, you're not too bright, the P5's have been selling for 14.5k all year long and the Protege for 13.5k. The reason this happens is because they cant get rid of them fast enough. I wonder why that is. Maybe its because the consumers that bought one constantly talk s*** about them, tell their neighbors that they're bad and then want a good resale value out of them. That sounds about ******* stupid.

Mazda has ALWAYS had bad marketing. You guys act like this is something new when in fact its been going on for a good 15 years.

Lastly, 20k isnt s*** to be spending on a new car. You guys are lucky that it has what it does. I think you all should go invest in a new Lancer.

 

[BinaryRotary]

If you're not happy with it, sell it. If you cant get enough for your trade in, well thats your fault. Maybe you all should have stopped and thought about opening your mouths about problems to everyone before you sold the vehicle.

You still see 10 year old 3rd gens go for 20k, and its not because they're reliable or that they dont have problems. If you really wanted the car and loved the car, you guys wouldnt be complaining as much, and you'd be better off if you did want to trade it in.

 

[DooMer_MP3]

Mazda NEVER said it would produce aftermarket parts for the Mazdaspeed. I don't know where you guys keep on coming up with these ideas from. If you heard it from a mazda representative let me know who his/her name was and I'll ask them.

Incorrect here. It is widely known that Mazdaspeed was supposed to be a specialty label given to certain dealerships to sell Mazdaspeed cars and parts, and to have these parts installed my Mazdaspeed certified mechanics under warranty. I believe the original Mazdaspeed Protege webpage off of mazdausa.com even had some Flash stuff with links to a few parts. They weren't huge performance parts like you see for the SRT-4, but there were parts, and they were supposed to be on sale. That flopped.

Do you honestly think that the MSP is the only car that has be sold for close to invoice this year by mazda? If you do, you're not too bright, the P5's have been selling for 14.5k all year long and the Protege for 13.5k. The reason this happens is because they cant get rid of them fast enough. I wonder why that is. Maybe its because the consumers that bought one constantly talk s*** about them, tell their neighbors that they're bad and then want a good resale value out of them. That sounds about ******* stupid.

The Mazdaspeed Protege really could be looked at as a failure. The MP3 which I still happily own, regardless of its problems, sold like crazy. Going for well over invoice MOST of the time and was gone from the lots within months. I was damn lucky to get mine for invoice. There are still brand new MSPs sitting at my stealership for invoice or less. People have gotten whiff of the fact that they need new bushings every 2 months, and that the ECU is poorly tuned. Lets face it, the MSP did not succeed as Mazda had expected...

The car has problems. I can b**** all I want and still enjoy it most of the time. Is your response to everybody who has problems with something to get rid of it? I mean, I fight with my girlfriend once in awhile. Should I just dump her because our relationship isn't 100% perfect?

Chris

 

[BinaryRotary]

Incorrect here. It is widely known that Mazdaspeed was supposed to be a specialty label given to certain dealerships to sell Mazdaspeed cars and parts, and to have these parts installed my Mazdaspeed certified mechanics under warranty. I believe the original Mazdaspeed Protege webpage off of mazdausa.com even had some Flash stuff with links to a few parts. They weren't huge performance parts like you see for the SRT-4, but there were parts, and they were supposed to be on sale. That flopped.



The Mazdaspeed Protege really could be looked at as a failure. The MP3 which I still happily own, regardless of its problems, sold like crazy. Going for well over invoice MOST of the time and was gone from the lots within months. I was damn lucky to get mine for invoice. There are still brand new MSPs sitting at my stealership for invoice or less. People have gotten whiff of the fact that they need new bushings every 2 months, and that the ECU is poorly tuned. Lets face it, the MSP did not succeed as Mazda had expected...

The car has problems. I can b**** all I want and still enjoy it most of the time. Is your response to everybody who has problems with something to get rid of it? I mean, I fight with my girlfriend once in awhile. Should I just dump her because our relationship isn't 100% perfect?

Chris

OMFG, I don't understand why you people dont get it. Mazdaspeed does offer aftermarket parts for the Protege, just not the Mazdaspeed because they ALREADY have them!!! They CAN be installed under warranty.

 

[Imissmy3rdgen7]

Your getting a little out of context here. Mazda/Mazdaspeed os failing to meet its origional marketing for the Mazdaspeed program. They will not produce upgraded performance part for any mazdaspeed based car. They failed to provide a car that was worht the selling price. They have failed to market the vehicle, thus hurting its sale. They are now selling them well below invoice, thus hurting our trade in values.

You cannot compare the Rex7 and the MSP. They are 2 different cars, in different classes. I will b**** up a storm, because Mazda/Ford, failed to deliver to me, what I paid for, and thus, will be the brunt of all of my efforts to either improve the POS or buy it back from me.

On the other hand, the 3rd gen Rex7 is the ONLY Mazda I would ever buy. Take them apples. j/k

(lol) If you think reliability is bad with the MSP and you want an RX7!! Take everything that breaks off the MSP and multiply it by 5 to keep an RX7 running well.

EDIT: The 3rd gen scene have whats called "reliability mods" just to give you an estimate.

 

[BinaryRotary]

(lol) If you think reliability is bad with the MSP and you want an RX7!! Take everything that breaks off the MSP and multiply it by 5 to keep an RX7 running well.

EDIT: The 3rd gen scene have whats called "reliability mods" just to give you an estimate.

I just don't get it man. I guess its different because we're 3rd Gen guys and die-hard Mazda while most of these Protege guys have owned 1 or 2 Mazdas. I just don't get it so I'm gonna drop it.

 

[slug420]

"At this time, Mazda has no plans of producing a a different ECU"
translation: we only produced a relatively few MSP, so **** off

However, it is possible we may come out with something along these lines in future.
translation: we arent coming out with s*** for you

I am pleased you took the time to bring your suggestion regarding performance parts to our attention. Consumer feedback is always very important to Mazda. Certainly, we want to offer exciting vehicles, and comments such as yours help us to achieve that goal.
translation: we'll fix the problem on the next model we build, and hopefully, you'll buy that one too

Rest assured I have documented your suggestion for our corporate record
translation: we threw your suggestion in the trash, along with every one elses who owns a MSP

These records are continuously being reviewed by our Product Planning Department in an effort to provide only the highest quality products to our customers.
translation: thanks for helping the next line of people who buy our cars... or, you're not a customer after you buy the car...

rofl

 

[Imissmy3rdgen7]

I just don't get it man. I guess its different because we're 3rd Gen guys and die-hard Mazda while most of these Protege guys have owned 1 or 2 Mazdas. I just don't get it so I'm gonna drop it.

Yea it's like trying to get a woman to stop bitching on PMS...


BTW, Titanium Spirit R =

 

[yashooa]

This is what I don't get...you all knew it was just a protege with a turbo and stiff suspension before you got it. you all knew it was limited production. you all knew it was the first turbo they'd done in like 5 years, and the first turbo on a Protege motor....why exactly did you think that this would be a flawless car?!?! Just thank God that the damn thing doesn't light on f'n fire, like some first year cars.

I also don't think that this product is a fair benchmark for Mazda 1st year cars. My father has a Tribute that's been perfect since he got it. Many people are extemely happy with their 6 and the 3 looks to be a really good car.

I agree. My Dad had a 626 with 140k miles on it and it ran and looked like new. I have put about 27,000 miles on my car now with no real issues at all except my clunk witch came on after 20,000 miles. I have even had a good dealer experience at a dealer where others have not.
My wife has a 2002 PR5 with 42,000 miles on it and it just now got a new set of tires and other than oil changes and air filters it has needed not a drop of work and all the aforementioned maintenance was free!
All in all I am very pleased with Mazda. s***, you should have to deal with the CADD software vendors we spend 100's of thousands a year with those pricks and all we get is buggy, ****** up, software with lousy tech support. We have to fix the problem and then tell those ******* CHODES how to fix their own software! So the service for a 20k car, at least for me, has been fairly good.

 

[cyomega]

[BAD_DAY_MODE]

I also don't think that this product is a fair benchmark for Mazda 1st year cars. My father has a Tribute that's been perfect since he got it.

I hate to break it to ya, but the Tribute is a rebadged Ford Escape.

On-topic:
I have close to 30K miles on my P5 and so far have had NO problems with it AT ALL. None. Zero. Go figure.
Now, I'm sure if I slapped a turbo on it, I'd have some tweaking to do, and it would have it's fair share of hiccups, but that's to be expected. The bottom line is, you have a turbocharged, suspension-tweaked car that makes a few noises and 'required' a PCM flash for under $20,000.
In the immortal words of the Governator...
STOP WHINING, QUIT YOUR BITCHIN', AND JUST ******* DRIVE!
[/BAD_DAY_MODE]

 

[yashooa]

[BAD_DAY_MODE]


I hate to break it to ya, but the Tribute is a rebadged Ford Escape.

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Well it is a collaborative effort from both Mazda and Ford. Mazda seems to have had enough of a say in the Tribute/Escape's design to call it a "first" year Mazda vehicle.
It looks like a lot of cars from here on out will be a shared platform combining the best (hopefully) technology from every maker. For instance the New Volvo/Focus/Mazda 3.
All in all my car has been problem free except for the clunk which of course Mazda has addressed, not to everyone's satisfaction, but none-the-less addressed.

 

[servoeyes]

[BAD_DAY_MODE]


I hate to break it to ya, but the Tribute is a rebadged Ford Escape.

On-topic:
I have close to 30K miles on my P5 and so far have had NO problems with it AT ALL. None. Zero. Go figure.
Now, I'm sure if I slapped a turbo on it, I'd have some tweaking to do, and it would have it's fair share of hiccups, but that's to be expected. The bottom line is, you have a turbocharged, suspension-tweaked car that makes a few noises and 'required' a PCM flash for under $20,000.
In the immortal words of the Governator...
STOP WHINING, QUIT YOUR BITCHIN', AND JUST ******* DRIVE!
[/BAD_DAY_MODE]

Thanks for the barrage of Ahnold at the end! hehe...however, the Tribute is not a rebadged Escape...not technically. Read the reviews...two very differently tuned cars...it'd be like saying the new Volvo and nex-gen focus are just rebadged MZ3s. I believe that Mazda did the chasis design on the Tribute/Escape, and Ford did the engine. But then Mazda tweaked the Tribute so that it handled and drove more like...well...a Mazda, rather than a truck, like the Escape.

Anywho...I'm not bitching about the MSP. There are issues, but I love the car.

 

[yashooa]

Thanks for the barrage of Ahnold at the end! hehe...however, the Tribute is not a rebadged Escape...not technically. Read the reviews...two very differently tuned cars...it'd be like saying the new Volvo and nex-gen focus are just rebadged MZ3s. I believe that Mazda did the chasis design on the Tribute/Escape, and Ford did the engine. But then Mazda tweaked the Tribute so that it handled and drove more like...well...a Mazda, rather than a truck, like the Escape.

Anywho...I'm not bitching about the MSP. There are issues, but I love the car.

They also tuned the tranny differently.
Not the best of reviews but it does touch on the differences a bit
http://www.tirekick.com/july00/01Tribut.htm

 

[WillisW555]

Anywho...I'm not bitching about the MSP. There are issues, but I love the car.

(werd) It would have been worth an extra couple hundred bucks to have a well tuned ECU from the factory.

Mazda is missing out on the aftermarket potential of their relatively affordable car.