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Mazda Reflashed my ECU, Now I Am Not Getting a Black Tailpipe!
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camrycev6 said:He is adamant that neither of those two reflashes will address acceleration issues.
We'll that's his opinion. However, Word for Word:
"Mazda TSB 01-046-06 Multi-model PCM/ECM update for driveability problem.
It can be accessed a few different ways at your Mazda dealer. Either by the above TSB, by the service tech entering into the mconnects.com system (Mazda Support System) and entering DTC-2407 with your VIN# or lastly by the re-flash "File Update Name" SW-L34SEC000.
TSB 01-046-06 / DTC-2407 + VIN# / SW-L34SEC000: Address multi-model PCM/ECM update for driveability problem: p0001 & p2006, Engine Hesitation on Deceleration, Engine Hesitation on Acceleration (most really feel it in 3rd and 4th gear), Stall immediately after a cold start-up and is used upon Swirl Valve/Purge Valve replacement."
1. Did he compare the TSB with the DTC and read the File Update? If he read the file update SW-L34SEC000 that gives allot more details to the specifics of the re-flash.
2. If Swampass comes back with issues as well I'm contacting Mazda. I find it hard to believe someone with over 15 years as a Service Manager would give me a line of crap yet alone call me back and talk to me long distance for over an hour with all the details.
3. It's for a multi-model driveability problem PERIOD and all the details that go with it that I listed above. Boy this pisses me off.
4. I would have him look up the update SW-L34SEC000 and read that. Also if I recall, the person told me your car had to be hooked up to the mconnects.com (Mazda Support System, it uses a phone line) machine in order to find it. Why? I'm not sure but the way I see it, is how can you check for computer updates to your PC if it's not connected... This re-flash is downloaded from Mazda through the Support System and is not just some gadget he plugs in that sits around the shop. Boy oh boy... The only way this person was able to look the information up for me was on the prior re-flashed MS3's service order tickets because again you need the car to do it.
Let me know...
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back from dealer. I spoke with the service writer "Jay" who seemed extremely knowledgeable on the speed line in general. He said there IS a reflash available but only for a certain VIN range. Mine, did not fall in that line. My springs are in and feel AWESOME. Has a better ride than before but is a touch more jarring over heavier bumps (traintracks por examplo)
Another side note..on the way home (on a close course so it's 100% legal) I did a roll on with a newer (not latest) SVT mustang that looked stock. Younger guy driving it. I was rolling about 45mph in 3rd when the pace car moved over. He was about 3-4 car lengths behind me and I could "hear" him down shift. I punched it and all the way through 3rd he was at my door. (keeping in mind he made up the 3-4 car lenghts. In 4th he started to pull more but had sounded as though he shifted and I stayed with him briefly..then he started checking out. haha. I'd say 5-6 car lengths ahead of me or so. I shut down as I was snicking into 5th...he pretty much stopped at that point as well. I have 4drs though and probably got better gas mileage during the exchange to NA NA! haha
Another side note..on the way home (on a close course so it's 100% legal) I did a roll on with a newer (not latest) SVT mustang that looked stock. Younger guy driving it. I was rolling about 45mph in 3rd when the pace car moved over. He was about 3-4 car lengths behind me and I could "hear" him down shift. I punched it and all the way through 3rd he was at my door. (keeping in mind he made up the 3-4 car lenghts. In 4th he started to pull more but had sounded as though he shifted and I stayed with him briefly..then he started checking out. haha. I'd say 5-6 car lengths ahead of me or so. I shut down as I was snicking into 5th...he pretty much stopped at that point as well. I have 4drs though and probably got better gas mileage during the exchange to NA NA! haha
SwampAss said:back from dealer. I spoke with the service writer "Jay" who seemed extremely knowledgeable on the speed line in general. He said there IS a reflash available but only for a certain VIN range. Mine, did not fall in that line. My springs are in and feel AWESOME. Has a better ride than before but is a touch more jarring over heavier bumps (traintracks por examplo)
Hey Swamp! We'll I can agree with what "Jay" said. The person that provided me with the information did say that all new inventory is checked for the re-flash so maybe after a certain VIN# the issue was resolved at the factory prior to shipment. That is possible.
Now that being said I will call my contact back tomorrow and see if they know the VIN# range etc. or even if it's on a certain VIN# range. My only problem is when service advisers just say, NO and send you on your way. I still think I'm going to make an official complaint. I have said this way to many times but, I know it's not Mazda or the Mazdaspeed products, it's the individual dealers that we should strike (strike) against. Afterall if the re-flash exists then the dealer can only make money off of it.
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Jay was more than willing to explain it to me. He also asked if I had read about it on the web. He corroborated what was said previously about the existence of the reflash. Frankly, my car has always felt really strong and soot hasn't been a major issue. I mean, it's there, but no more than my 1.8T was.
SwampAss said:Jay was more than willing to explain it to me. He also asked if I had read about it on the web. He corroborated what was said previously about the existence of the reflash. Frankly, my car has always felt really strong and soot hasn't been a major issue. I mean, it's there, but no more than my 1.8T was.
Interesting. camrycev6 said his car does not have any of the listed issues and runs strong as well. I only have 250 miles on mine and have yet to push past 4,000/4500 RPMS so I cannot say on my car. I just see an issue and wan't to help out. I'll make a call tomorrow.
On a better note, are you going to post pics of your car in the suspension section? Let's see her dropped with those Mazdaspeed Springs.
1. Did he compare the TSB with the DTC and read the File Update? If he read the file update SW-L34SEC000 that gives allot more details to the specifics of the re-flash.
He claims he did. I asked him to go look it up. He said he had the entire "bulletin" in front of him. He read and read to me and said that it did not call out anything about acceleration issues. (He did say that it doesn't mean it didn't address them --- he just said it doesn't say anything about that.)
2. If Swampass comes back with issues as well I'm contacting Mazda. I find it hard to believe someone with over 15 years as a Service Manager would give me a line of crap yet alone call me back and talk to me long distance for over an hour with all the details.
I hear you. I believe you on this one. I just wish we could get consistent answers from Mazda. With all of this information, you would think it would be simple to get the straight story.
3. It's for a multi-model driveability problem PERIOD and all the details that go with it that I listed above. Boy this pisses me off.
Me too! I am going to call another dealer today and see what they say.
4. I would have him look up the update SW-L34SEC000 and read that. Also if I recall, the person told me your car had to be hooked up to the mconnects.com (Mazda Support System, it uses a phone line) machine in order to find it. Why? I'm not sure but the way I see it, is how can you check for computer updates to your PC if it's not connected... This re-flash is downloaded from Mazda through the Support System and is not just some gadget he plugs in that sits around the shop. Boy oh boy... The only way this person was able to look the information up for me was on the prior re-flashed MS3's service order tickets because again you need the car to do it.
That is exactly what he said. He said that he had to have my car hooked up in order to check the update. (That is why he said the DTC code wouldn't do him anygood.) I don't know why either. At this point, the conversation was pretty much done. In summary, he said there were 2 flashes, one that addressed both the p2006 CEL and Swirl Value issues, and one for the Cold start problem.
I am at a loss here. I will try dealer # 2 today.
Hello all! My source said they could not find any immediate reading as being VIN# specific. Here we go... they are looking into it and will call me back.
So, I also forwarded the information to a different souce as well too see/compare.
This is what's funny, first they say no re-flash at all. Then, it's yes there are two re-flashes but with only two different problems. Next, it's yes there are re-flashes for various driveability problems, but only on certain VIN#'s. I honestly think its in the reading of the SW-L34SEC000 update. Also if the dealer is not willing to hook your car up to the Mazda Support System, how are they going to know, especially if you become re-flash #1.
So, I also forwarded the information to a different souce as well too see/compare.
This is what's funny, first they say no re-flash at all. Then, it's yes there are two re-flashes but with only two different problems. Next, it's yes there are re-flashes for various driveability problems, but only on certain VIN#'s. I honestly think its in the reading of the SW-L34SEC000 update. Also if the dealer is not willing to hook your car up to the Mazda Support System, how are they going to know, especially if you become re-flash #1.
camrycev6 said:I got the only certain VINs as well. He said that the newer MS3s have already been flashed to the "current" version. Work has been busy, so I haven't got a chance to call another dealer. I am planning to do it first thing tomorrow.
Hey camrycev6! The nice thing is, if that is the case then at least give us the magic number for the VIN# so we can say "hey if you have a MS3 with VIN# bla bla bla to VIN# bla bla bla, you need a re-flash." I don't disagree with that because it's happened on a few turbo'd cars I previously owned however, I also feel as a MS3 owner we are entitled to know. So those with the early released MS3 will be kept in the dark because the TSB is not advertised nor is it a recall. I'm like you, I have not had any issues at all but my car only has 250 miles on it. We'll see...
I took my car in for an oil change today. The tech said he didn't think there was an update, but when he plugged it in he found one. He downloaded the new software. cool.
The power may be a bit more consistent, but its not a totally different car or anything.
The power may be a bit more consistent, but its not a totally different car or anything.
speedi3 said:I took mine in today for a the 15k service. Provided the TSB codes as AND after a few challenges with the dealer they went ahead and performed the ECM recode. I agree its not that different just more consistant.
It sure would be nice if all dealers could get on board and make this happen. This is just a prime example of why some of us need to complain. Also, as I stated before the intentions/purpose of the re-flash is for "better" driveability, not to go faster. It eliminate hesitation, spikes etc. across the band. I'm just glad some of you have dealers willing to hook your cars up to the machine and check.
Secondly, what this also tells me is the information I have posted from my unnamed source is correct. (thumb) I had no doubts when they called me back long distance and spoke to me for over an hour.
Ahhhh...(strike) Hey camrycev6 any luck?
I personally have not experienced any driveability issues, but again my main purpose for the push on this is to help those that do have issues.
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abun24 said:I took my car in for an oil change today. The tech said he didn't think there was an update, but when he plugged it in he found one. He downloaded the new software. cool.
The power may be a bit more consistent, but its not a totally different car or anything.
Great! Also, as I stated before the intentions/purpose of the re-flash is for "better" driveability, not to go faster. It eliminates hesitation, spikes etc. across the band.
Glad to see some of your dealers taking the time to take care of it.
I took my speed3 in yesterday because the cd changer crapped out on me and also told them I wanted to get the reflash if it was available. They knew exactly what I was talking about, checked my car and gave me a printout of all the 2007 updates from Mazda N.A.
Here's the lowdown about DTC-2407:
The latest models have the most up-to-date version on their PCM. The only Mazda3 models that would need the reflash are:
(CA spec) with VINs lower than JM1BK****71635356 (produced before 9/6/06)
and
(Fed spec) with VINs lower than JM1BK****71618119 (produced before 8/1/06)
If you have a VIN higher than these, then you're good to go!
I hope that this clears the issue up for everyone. We should all have our Mazdas running in top condition and it's sad that a lot of dealers are all about the sale and not about the service.
Here's the lowdown about DTC-2407:
The latest models have the most up-to-date version on their PCM. The only Mazda3 models that would need the reflash are:
(CA spec) with VINs lower than JM1BK****71635356 (produced before 9/6/06)
and
(Fed spec) with VINs lower than JM1BK****71618119 (produced before 8/1/06)
If you have a VIN higher than these, then you're good to go!
I hope that this clears the issue up for everyone. We should all have our Mazdas running in top condition and it's sad that a lot of dealers are all about the sale and not about the service.
Champloo said:The latest models have the most up-to-date version on their PCM. The only Mazda3 models that would need the reflash are:
(CA spec) with VINs lower than JM1BK****71635356 (produced before 9/6/06)
and
(Fed spec) with VINs lower than JM1BK****71618119 (produced before 8/1/06)
If you have a VIN higher than these, then you're good to go!
Awesome work! I wasn't having the problems described in this thread so I didn't know if mine came with the newer code or not, and according to this it does. Thanks!
Champloo said:Glad I could help!
I wasn't having the problems either but I wanted to make sure that I had everything up to date, especially since I had to take my car in anyway.
Champloo, Thank you for the information. I was waiting for a returned call on Monday with this information. The sooner the better! Thank you again and welcome!
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