Mazda 6 Rims

[Nyshadow]

Hey Will Mazda 6 17" Rims fir on MY Protege 5? Bolt Pattern is the same and i test fitted one and it seems fine but the rim didn't have a tire on it. I have a set of "215 55 17" tires.

 

[tweety2300]

Try searching, a lot of people run them and the 3 rims

 

[zoom zoom sp20]

I would stay with your P5 rims if you don't want to add weight to your P5

From the end of 2003 mazda made there rims with more weight to cut costs

 

[tweety2300]

+1, I remember reading stock rim and tire weighs 46 lbs each or something crazy

 

[Nyshadow]

Not really concerned with the weight. Thanks guys. That's what i needed to know.

 

[Hank3]

I remember reading that spacers are required so it doesn't rub due to the offset on these.

 

[Installshield 2]

Those tires aren't going to fit though, bud. Well, they might, but it would be far from ideal...

You're increasing the wheel diameter AND increasing the tire sidewall height with that set up...ideally you need to run a 40 or 45 series tire with 17's...55's are higher than the stock 16"...so you're adding a lot of overall diamater with that setup.

and if what hank said is true (not sure of the wheel offset)...you're going to have a lot of sidewall bulge with a 55 series tires...which i'm guessing is going to rub on the struts...you could fix that with spacers, but then you'll probably rub on the fenders...if the car is at stock ride height, it may only rub on bigger bumps...but dude, stock ride height and those wheels and tires...it'll look like a little SUV...

 

[Mookhaasa]

I could double check tire size but here are a set cobra wheels I had my p5(stock height) for a day while I mounted different tires on to the fronts.

I will say it sat just below the actual spring perch.

 

[Installshield 2]

ha wow...245 width on a P5? Didn't know that was possible...those are 245/45 17's according to the last picture...a 215/55 will still have a taller sidewall (~118mm vs ~110 for a 245/45), so i'm still betting it will hit the strut itself or the perch...Its a height problem, not the width...

 

[CTt3P5]

Wheels will fit with some spacers due to the +60 offset and you might need a fender roll in the rear. At stock height you might be ok, I can't remember off the top of my head. Def. ditch the tires though, just checked a wheel calculater and your speedo will be off almost 7mph with that size...then again, if you don't mind the difference....

 

[Mookhaasa]

I wouldn't sweat your speedo being off.

Yeah I think those wheels are like 10"wide. I am pretty sure it would rub on turns as well as under a good load. Not that I am actually gonna try it.

 

[Nyshadow]

yeah i test fitted one rim with a tire mounted and it doesn't even clear the strut. (sad2) Looks like I'll have a set of Mazda 6 rims for sale with tires. Should of done the research before i purchased them. To the Mazda 6 Section. LOL.

 

[Nyshadow]

+1, I remember reading stock rim and tire weighs 46 lbs each or something crazy

Stock Mazda 6 rim with a 215 55 17 tire weighs 47 pounds 12 ounces each
Stock MP5 Rim with tire was like 32 something. Difference of about 15 pounds a wheel.

 

[tweety2300]

It's not just weight difference there's the whole rotational mass part too, you would notice a huge difference like that

 

[Installshield 2]

The stock P5 wheels are only 16lbs...which is great...but they're also on 16 x 6"...which is ridiculous width wise, and use little 195 tires...

With unsprung weight, there is a threshold of whats really relevant...the added traction you get from a better wider tire, and the response from a tire with a lower sidewall...FAR out weighs the cons of it being heavier...at least imo...And tires are even trickier, as some tires can be very light compared to others...even in the same size...but can be 'stickier' by using different compounds...which makes more friction; even in a straight line...which will hurt acceleration MORE than a heavier, yet harder tire...if that makes sense...

So you're seeing where this goes...Many things are better on paper than in practice. A modern properly heated F1 tire can sap as much as 50 whp just to turn on hot pavement...that has nothing to do with its weight, and everything to with how tacky the compound is...Those things are like driving around on glue...At speed an F1 car can decelerate with upwards of 1g with NO brake use...just from downforce applied to sticky ass tires...I'm way off topic haha.

But i'm still holding on to that tire size not being right for a P5...i seriously don't think it'll fit. I've been running 17" wheels since 2003, but i'm on my 4th set of 17s...Currently i'm on a enkei RM+S 17 x 8's with 205/45 bridgestone RE760s...Not positive on the tire weight, but the wheels are 15.7Lbs each...i just replaced the Rota D2's (for sale cheap if anyone is interested) that were 17 x 7.5 but over 22lbs each. Used the same tires. Even with significantly lighter wheels and the same tires, the difference in straight line is very marginal. I mean its a little better, but its still a p5...so it doesn't matter really.

I'd highly suggest getting the wheels dude...and buying a proper set of 17" tires. Mine are only 105 a piece new. however, going from your tiny stock P5 wheels with light tires...to heavier wheels AND heavier tires (that won't fit most likely haha)...you're going to hate it...

EDIT: nevermind, sorry missed the post about it already not fitting.

 

[tweety2300]

He said they didn't fit...

Also I am a little confused about traction, we are talking about a stock protege right? I know I have no issues on traction with mine, they don't make enough power to spin tires

Try way more power with really light 14x5.5, rims traction is a joke

 

[zoom zoom sp20]

I run 205/50/16 on my sp20/p5 rims and they are good

 

[Installshield 2]

He said they didn't fit...

Also I am a little confused about traction, we are talking about a stock protege right? I know I have no issues on traction with mine, they don't make enough power to spin tires

Try way more power with really light 14x5.5, rims traction is a joke

ha yeah i missed that...Also, you're exactly right...for a stock protege the stock wheel and tire package is perfectly adequate...the p5 won many comparison tests in various magazines against other hatchbacks back in 2002, almost entirely because of its handling alone...

and yeah, straight line traction...the tires could be even smaller and they'd handle the power of a stock protege...I was more speaking of cornering grip, of which the stock protege5 could quickly reach the limits of the OE dunlop tires...in a turn...the suspension suspension is better than the stock tires, thats all i was getting at...a set of MP3 or MSP sized wheels and tires will corner considerably better than the stock 195s, even thought 17" setup is heavier...thats what i was trying to say i guess.


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[Nyshadow]

I kinda of liked the way they looked.

 

[tweety2300]

ha yeah i missed that...Also, you're exactly right...for a stock protege the stock wheel and tire package is perfectly adequate...the p5 won many comparison tests in various magazines against other hatchbacks back in 2002, almost entirely because of its handling alone...

and yeah, straight line traction...the tires could be even smaller and they'd handle the power of a stock protege...I was more speaking of cornering grip, of which the stock protege5 could quickly reach the limits of the OE dunlop tires...in a turn...the suspension suspension is better than the stock tires, thats all i was getting at...a set of MP3 or MSP sized wheels and tires will corner considerably better than the stock 195s, even thought 17" setup is heavier...thats what i was trying to say i guess.


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I see what your saying now I thought you were talking about straight line for some reason, ya cornering can only be as goodas the tires can handle