Mazda 5 tire question,Car Talk column,local paper

Think about what? Low profiles suck when it comes to potholes, no surprise there. I personally will avoid larger than 17" rims whenever possible. I went through way too many 18's on my last car and finally went back to 17" for my last set and have no more problems.
 
Are low profile tires just as safe?

Dear Tom and Ray:

When shopping for a new car, we favored the Mazda5, but my wife had one major concern: the low-profile tires. The dealer assured us they were absolutely safe and had standard tires beat. A month after purchasing this car, we caught a hidden pothole, which took out both right-side tires (sidewall bulges), rims, a front strut and a rear shock absorber. In 60 years of driving, having met many a pothole and losing only one tire to them, we've never experienced this degree of damage ($1,800) from a pothole. Are these low-profile tires as safe as standard tires? Or are we the guinea pigs testing these tires?

-- Rick

Ray: Are you sure it was just a pothole, Rick? From the amount of damage you did, it sounds like it may have been a canyon at a national park.

Tom: Or, it sounds like you were going very fast when you hit this pothole.

Ray: Or both. When you hit a large pothole at high speed, no matter what kind of tires you have, you're going to do some damage.

Tom: That said, low-profile tires are more susceptible to road hazards. "Low-profile" means the sidewalls are short. This makes the sidewalls firmer, and less likely to bend and deform on turns, which results in better handling.

Ray: But the downside is that there's less space between the road and your wheels. And if you hit a pothole, jump a curb or drive over your neighbor's granite lawn flamingo, you easily could find yourself in need of a new, $800 alloy wheel or two.

Tom: Plus, there are two other things we don't like about low-profile tires. First, they're noisier. And second, the ride is more punishing, because there's less sidewall rubber to absorb the bumps.

Ray: This is something to keep in mind when you're buying a new car. On some cars (like the Mazda5), you don't have a choice. Mazda obviously felt that the van needed the handling advantage of low-profile tires. But sometimes you do have a choice.

Tom: Dealers often will push optional "bigger wheels." But remember, bigger wheels almost always come with lower-profile tires. Why? Because if the wheels are bigger, the tires have to be smaller so the whole shebang can still fit in the wheel well.

Ray: So our advice, in general, is: Unless you own stock in alloy-wheel companies, stick with standard-size wheels and standard-profile tires when you have the option. Your wife was onto something, Rick.

(Car Talk is a nationally syndicated column by automotive experts (and brothers) Tom and Ray Magliozzi. Write to them at the Car Talk website.)

That's why I'm looking at 16" wheels on my '09 Mazda5. The winter tire size and also the stock size for '12 Sports.
 
the Car Talk guys do know quite a lot when it comes to cars, but their one comment...

"Plus, there are two other things we don't like about low-profile tires. First, they're noisier. And second, the ride is more punishing, because there's less sidewall rubber to absorb the bumps."

i just dont fully agree with.

low-profile tires CAN be noisier, but that depends more on the tread pattern than anything else.
also, low-profile tires CAN have a more "firm" ride due to the shorter sidewall, but (again) this depends more one wheel weight and suspension tuning. sure, lower profile tires do have a more stiff side-wall, but that doesn't automatically equal a more harsh ride.

since the mazda5 was designed to handle the 17" wheels that it comes with, i wouldn't autoamtically say that they are an outrageous fitting for the vehicle.

i would think the "Car talk" dudes were on track with the line of reasoning that it was more than just a pothole and similar damages might have been seen regardless of what car they were driving.
 
It is simply a fact. Low profile tires almost always ride rougher, handle better, and get damaged more easily. Tire sidewalls actually give you the equivalent of suspension travel. I have tried multiple sizes on many cars and this has always been the case. When I went from 18s on my 350z to 17s I was able to actually drive faster on rough streets and you could tell the suspension wasn't being worked as hard, in fast turns the 18s cornered better but only if the road was very smooth. The 16s on my 2012 make my 5 feel like a regular car, the 17s on my 09 made it ride like a sporty car.
I have never messed up an alignment on a car with higher profile tires but have done it many times on cars with lower profile tires (including my 09 5). In Chicago low profile tires often caused me to drive slower because I have spent too much over the years on tires and alignments.
If you have rough roads low profile tires are a performance limiting downgrade IMO. I wish this weren't true as I do like to corner fast when the road is smooth but my 5 is my work car and reliability comes first.
 
Come on people, pothole/manhole dodging is part of the fun :D regardless if you have 30 or 60 side wall. Anything that makes you more alert of the road = better driver, but there is a point which you would not want to compromise for a DD. 45 on 17" would be my ideal balance for a DD.

Sidewall AND tires has been the secret to plush rides for years. Look up any older Benz (E, S), Lexus (ES/LS), Infiniti (Q) and you’ll see that they came with 15” rims to allow for more sidewall = plusher ride. Now people demand bigger rims b/c it looks better and today’s suspension technology has caught up to allow bigger rims.
 
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Both my wife and I have driven over median curbs with our 215/50 R17s. To my incredible surprise, no damage!!
BTW, 4+ years as a tire tech. I've seen it all, even found the hilt of a butter knife inside a flat.
The big secret: Shhhhhhhhhhhh!

Keep the tires inflated! (rolleyes)


Oh, and its not the sidewall ratio that is the issue: in general, for road use you really want a good 3" between the wheel and the street. My tires have that. Anything less (a decade ago, it was the shiznizit to put 205/40 R 16 on 96-97 Accords with about 1 3/4" of sidewall) and they really need to be track only.
 
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